Rabid Conservatives sometimes can be the stoopidist bastards in the world.

[renocat]

I was travelling today and listening to conservative talk radio and the call nuts acted like Rubio was a wart from Hillary's butt crack.  Why?  Cause he 8 ganged by a bunch Republican Poombahs who said we had to cow tow to Hispanics and pass an immigration bill.  Well we have a snazzy Latin guy to apply some butt grease too.
Are number 1 goal is to beat Hillary.  Having a 100 pure virgin superconservative is a bunch of horseshit.  I could.vote any of our top 3.  But eating each others from the bad person in is stupid

[Ptolemy]

I heard that show, and actually, they were objecting to the hypocrisy Rubio exhibited when he rode the wave of the Tea Party and conservatism to get elected and then once in office, rapidly abandoned those principles to back a bill which would have stabbed legal immigrants of all races in the back by granting amnesty to illegal aliens currently living in the shadows in the US.

[star seed 7]

 

[renocat]

Why in the hell is this the litmus test for rabid mouth frothing connservatives?   Is this a winning argument in the fall election?   Do they remember their hero Regan signed an amnesty bill?  Why the double standard of forgiveness now?   Why do you suck hold like a bunch of butt leaches to a man who said he favors a form of single pay health care and other lib things?  If a change in positions is damning, then who passes the test?  Who quietly shows his Christian faith and doesn't bastardize it at the altar of political idolatry?  Rabidcon, take a good crap and clean your system out, and think.  Don't wound each so Hillary wins and we loooze.

[ChiComCat]

I heard that show, and actually, they were objecting to the hypocrisy Rubio exhibited when he rode the wave of the Tea Party and conservatism to get elected and then once in office, rapidly abandoned those principles to back a bill which would have stabbed legal immigrants of all races in the back by granting amnesty to illegal aliens currently living in the shadows in the US.

I know some legal immigrants and can pretty safely say that none would feel stabbed in the back by this.  Most people aren't bitter enough to go "It was a nightmare for me to go through so I want that for everyone else"

Maybe just my friends tho

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

There are non-pragmatic people on both sides. It's probably fair to say that conservatives tend to be a bit more thoughtful and critical of our own than the liberal lemming approach. (The half of Dems that aren't supporting a Socialist are supporting a woman who lied about keeping a private server to dodge FOIA requests while jeopardizing the security of high level classified information, and will likely be recommended for indictment by the FBI. Why? Well, she's a woman, and a Clinton, but she's also the only other choice.)

Being critical is not a bad thing during the primaries. I share your concern that some conservative pundits have gone so over the top that they are seriously undermining turnout in the general. But you know what will help encourage turnout - even to vote for Trump? The Dems nominating Hillary Clinton.

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[sonofdaxjones]

OMFSM 

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I don't like this idea that Marco Rubio is all the sudden being labeled as an establishment candidate. I know Rubio's got the baggage of that Gang of Eight bill, and I know that in many people's minds he's got the baggage of wanting to grant the current number of illegals citizenship. I understand that. But Marco Rubio is no moderate Republican centrist. I could sit here like anyone else could for why he did the Gang of Eight, but I'm not even going to try to put words into his mouth. I don't want to be seen as making excuses. I don't see Marco Rubio as anything other than a legitimate, full-throated conservative. Nobody's pure, and nobody is ever free of making mistakes.

[star seed 7]

Marco isn't enough of a gigantic bad person to be a conservative

[Ptolemy]

I know some legal immigrants and can pretty safely say that none would feel stabbed in the back by this.  Most people aren't bitter enough to go "It was a nightmare for me to go through so I want that for everyone else"

Maybe just my friends tho

Do you never object when people cut in line in front of you -- especially those excruciatingly long ass lines like at the DMV?

[sys]

I know some legal immigrants and can pretty safely say that none would feel stabbed in the back by this.  Most people aren't bitter enough to go "It was a nightmare for me to go through so I want that for everyone else"

Maybe just my friends tho

Do you never object when people cut in line in front of you -- especially those excruciatingly long ass lines like at the DMV?

this is the stupidest comparison ever.  and so commonly used.

[Ptolemy]

this is the stupidest comparison ever.  and so commonly used.

Why?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

this is the stupidest comparison ever.  and so commonly used.

Why?

I guess it's kind of a stupid comparison because illegal immigrants actually broke the law to cut in front of you, whereas I don't think it's a crime to cut in line at the DMV (could be wrong about this).

[sys]

because there's no line that 99% of illegal immigrants can stand in to legally immigrate, you ignorant piece of crap.

[Ptolemy]

because there's no line that 99% of illegal immigrants can stand in to legally immigrate, you ignorant piece of crap.

That's simply not true. The "line" for immigration is the legal immigration process and it happens every day. I know people who went through the process and it DOES result in their legally becoming citizens.

But it's always easier for more impatient folks to try and circumvent the process by sneaking across the border and living in the shadows....

...just like when you are in line at the DMV and some lady who is on her lunch break and can't be bothered to wait her turn like everyone else cuts to the front of the line.

[sys]

like i said.  you are ignorant and also a piece of crap.

[Rage Against the McKee]

It's actually like somebody going and getting a fake DL while I'm waiting in line at the DMV. It doesn't affect me at all and I'm not bothered by it.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

like i said.  you are ignorant and also a piece of crap.

If you're saying there's no line for immigrants without useful training or education (or family in the US, which is a strange criteria but it's the law), that's sorta true. At least, they're going to be waiting in line a good long while - maybe forever. But that's kind of the point of a legal immigration system. And it doesn't mean there's no line - just that it's easier to sneak across than gain the qualifications to enter legally.

[Rage Against the McKee]

like i said.  you are ignorant and also a piece of crap.

If you're saying there's no line for immigrants without useful training or education, that's sorta true. At least, they're going to be waiting in line a good long while - maybe forever. But that's kind of the point of a legal immigration system. And it doesn't mean there's no line - just that it's easier to sneak across than gain the qualifications to enter legally.

Except a lot of them do have useful skills and that is why employers are willing to risk hiring them illegally.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

like i said.  you are ignorant and also a piece of crap.

If you're saying there's no line for immigrants without useful training or education, that's sorta true. At least, they're going to be waiting in line a good long while - maybe forever. But that's kind of the point of a legal immigration system. And it doesn't mean there's no line - just that it's easier to sneak across than gain the qualifications to enter legally.

Except a lot of them do have useful skills and that is why employers are willing to risk hiring them illegally.

Not the skills deemed useful by our laws. We can change the laws (and should), but they are the laws. And it doesn't mean "there's no line."

[ednksu]

because there's no line that 99% of illegal immigrants can stand in to legally immigrate, you ignorant piece of crap.

he's not wrong though.  The US has many types of visas or work permits.  The problem is that people don't want to work through the system.  From H2As and H2Bs to proper naturalization it's an expensive and time consuming process that many elect not to follow and many benefit from that decision, like large ag companies.

[sys]

If you're saying there's no line for immigrants without useful training or education (or family in the US, which is a strange criteria but it's the law), that's sorta true. At least, they're going to be waiting in line a good long while - maybe forever. But that's kind of the point of a legal immigration system. And it doesn't mean there's no line - just that it's easier to sneak across than gain the qualifications to enter legally.

it is perfectly legitimate to maintain that most people in the world should not be allowed to immigrate to the united states.  that's a logically consistent and defensible policy proposition.  it's intellectually dishonest to pretend that those people have a path to legally immigrate and they are choosing instead to immigrate illegally because it is either quicker or easier.

[sys]

he's not wrong though.  The US has many types of visas or work permits.  The problem is that people don't want to work through the system.  From H2As and H2Bs to proper naturalization it's an expensive and time consuming process that many elect not to follow and many benefit from that decision, like large ag companies.

what a surprise.  two posters from completely opposite sides of the political spectrum.  united by ignorance.  and by being giant pieces of crap.

[Ptolemy]

it is perfectly legitimate to maintain that most people in the world should not be allowed to immigrate to the united states.  that's a logically consistent and defensible policy proposition.  it's intellectually dishonest to pretend that those people have a path to legally immigrate and they are choosing instead to immigrate illegally because it is either quicker or easier.

(To make you feel more at home...) I had to read that three times to make any sense of what you wrote - and I'm a little dumber for the effort.

Who is asking that "most people in the world should not be allowed to immigrate to the united states?"  Further, what is logical or illogical about something nobody is asking for?

I know of people who came here illegally solely because it was quicker and/or easier. They could have gone through the process like others I knew who were of similar skill levels and education and did go through the legal process, but did not because they didn't want to wait and work for it.