Bombshell

[Dr Rick Daris]

And bishop was probably the best athlete on the field most of the time.  Roberson as well to a certain extent.


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and both were multi year starting quraterbacks at Kansas state during a period of time when dana dimel was off coaching other schools.

[DQ12]

with maybe the exception of last year (I haven't looked at the numbers because really, I just wasn't very interested) our offense under Dimel's tenure has been pretty consistently good. 

[Dr Rick Daris]

with maybe the exception of last year (I haven't looked at the numbers because really, I just wasn't very interested) our offense under Dimel's tenure has been pretty consistently good.

i agree

[Belvis Noland]

the fact that people are upset about Banks transferring really puts into perspective where we are as a program.  this guy was a no-talent juco scrub with no offers or interest from any D-1 program.  the fact we're recruiting guys like this in the first place is mind blowing.     



 

[Dr Rick Daris]

the fact that people are upset about Banks transferring really puts into perspective where we are as a program.  this guy was a no-talent juco scrub with no offers or interest from any D-1 program.  the fact we're recruiting guys like this in the first place is mind blowing.     



 

it wouldn't be a day if belvis didn't drop in to type something completely incorrect 

[Belvis Noland]

the fact that people are upset about Banks transferring really puts into perspective where we are as a program.  this guy was a no-talent juco scrub with no offers or interest from any D-1 program.  the fact we're recruiting guys like this in the first place is mind blowing.     



 

it wouldn't be a day if belvis didn't drop in to type something completely incorrect 

which parts were incorrect? 

thanks in advance.

[Jabeez]

So this quote from GPC member, healthinv, who seems to have a friendship with DSams is interesting. Coupled with the fact that several years later Snyder was lamenting the way he played DSams and didnt play him more:

Definitely was Daniel's decision to leave but he didn't want to leave. However, he felt very strongly that one of the OC's didn't have his best interest at heart. From the plays called when Daniel was QB to giving him the appropriate time in practice to make sure he would get the required reps.

Who knows maybe had something to do with who the OC recruited to come play QB over Daniel, can't really say for sure. But yes, ultimately it was Daniel's decision.

Is there something to DEL MILLER purposefully trainwrecking games last year because he is at odds with Bill??? 

But it's fun to place blame on people based on conjecture!  DAMN YOU DEL

[Panjandrum]

I always thought it was Miller that had the issue with Daniel and not Dimel.  Miller is technically the passing game coordinator and QB coach, and he was the guy that recruited Waters.

[Jabeez]

I always thought it was Miller that had the issue with Daniel and not Dimel.  Miller is technically the passing game coordinator and QB coach, and he was the guy that recruited Waters.

Changed it.  Thanks, have to blame the right guy.

[sonofdaxjones]

I've said it a million times.   Dimel was not a good OC the first time around and he was not here for the pinnacle of LHC Bill Snyder era dual threat QB play.   I cannot count Klein because IMO Klein's success was pure scheme, whereas Bishop and Roberson and to a lessor extent Beasley made things happen via a scheme AND outstanding athletic ability.    Neither one of them knows what to with a truly dynamic athlete playing QB. 

[CNS]

Klein pure scheme?  What?

[Belvis Noland]

I've said it a million times.   Dimel was not a good OC the first time around and he was not here for the pinnacle of LHC Bill Snyder era dual threat QB play.   I cannot count Klein because IMO Klein's success was pure scheme, whereas Bishop and Roberson and to a lessor extent Beasley made things happen via a scheme AND outstanding athletic ability.    Neither one of them knows what to with a truly dynamic athlete playing QB.

Klein was a dynamic athlete playing QB and they used him pretty well. 

too bad they couldn't figure out how to use Sams. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Oh please . . . there's no way Klein could create on his own like Bishop and Roberson could.   Quit being so White Midwesterney

[CNS]

Klein could run no matter how many times he already ran.  He was a bulldozer.  That isn't scheme.  Its kinda the opposite. 

I guess this belongs in the bombshell thread.  Who would have thought?

[meow meow]

Klein's best athletic trait was that he could keep his brain inside of his head.

[TownieCat]

Oh please . . . there's no way Klein could create on his own like Bishop and Roberson could.   Quit being so White Midwesterney

Completely different set of skills. It would be like comparing a knuckleball pitcher with a guy who throws 97 mph heat. You don't hear baseball nerds compare Phil Niekro and Nolan Ryan very often.

[sonofdaxjones]

Klein could run no matter how many times he already ran.  He was a bulldozer.  That isn't scheme.  Its kinda the opposite. 

I guess this belongs in the bombshell thread.  Who would have thought?

TownieCat . . .  your analogy

Being of larger size and ramming into the line doesn't take a dynamic athlete.   Almost all of Klein's longer runs were either beautifully blocked/schemed extremely well, props to him for making the reads and for being somewhat sneaky fast. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Oh and this discussion is perfectly appropriate for this thread relative to players leaving and the need to questions coaches and their ability to coach/handle players of various skill sets.

[CNS]

Klein could run no matter how many times he already ran.  He was a bulldozer.  That isn't scheme.  Its kinda the opposite. 

I guess this belongs in the bombshell thread.  Who would have thought?

TownieCat . . .  your analogy

Being of larger size and ramming into the line doesn't take a dynamic athlete.   Almost all of Klein's longer runs were either beautifully blocked/schemed extremely well, props to him for making the reads and for being somewhat sneaky fast.

Given how rarely we have a Kleinesque player seems to tell me you are wrong. 

[Belvis Noland]

Like, your very criticisms of Klein could be applied to Tebow.  big, white running QB that was tough to tackle. 

but, only a complete dumbass would say Tebow wasn't a dynamic athlete. 

[CNS]

Weren't Klein's numbers better than Tebow's for his last year?  Iirc, they were at very least comparable. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Klein could run no matter how many times he already ran.  He was a bulldozer.  That isn't scheme.  Its kinda the opposite. 

I guess this belongs in the bombshell thread.  Who would have thought?

TownieCat . . .  your analogy

Being of larger size and ramming into the line doesn't take a dynamic athlete.   Almost all of Klein's longer runs were either beautifully blocked/schemed extremely well, props to him for making the reads and for being somewhat sneaky fast.

Given how rarely we have a Kleinesque player seems to tell me you are wrong.

Quit wasting drive space with posts like that.

Belvis . . the comparison was Klein's athletic ability relative to the pinnacle of dual threat QB'ing at K-State.   FFS, you can come up with dumbass analogies all day long that are not relative at all.

[star seed 7]

Uh oh, dax is back pedaling

[sonofdaxjones]

 

Uh oh, dax is back pedaling

 

['taterblast]

klein got to the heisman ceremony on scheme and scheme alone!