Author Topic: A well-coached team (Read 8059 times)

catastrophe · « **Reply #25 on:** January 21, 2016, 06:34:25 PM »

They could probably try harder to make baskets.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #26 on:** January 21, 2016, 07:15:57 PM »

Quote from: catastrophe on January 21, 2016, 06:34:25 PM

They could probably try harder to make baskets.

That's recruiting.

michigancat · « **Reply #27 on:** January 21, 2016, 07:31:36 PM »

Quote from: royals&ksu_FAN on January 21, 2016, 05:57:29 PM

Quote from: michigancat on January 21, 2016, 05:35:56 PM
This KSU team definitely does not play hard.

They play hard enough. Effort isn't the issue. MHO.

They get beat in transition more than any KSU team I can remember. That's primarily lazyness imo.

Granted, this is anecdotal but that first half of the Oklahoma game was insanely lazy.

michigancat · « **Reply #28 on:** January 21, 2016, 07:34:32 PM »

Also, I meant "play hard" to be relative to the rest of the league. They don't play as hard as any of the top teams except Baylor. (Again, I recognize this is anecdotal)

Shooter Jones · « **Reply #29 on:** January 21, 2016, 07:54:59 PM »

Quote from: Bob Knight

Shot fakes.

wetwillie · « **Reply #30 on:** January 21, 2016, 09:05:43 PM »

Well coached teams run great inbounds plays and never get back doored

Ptolemy · « **Reply #31 on:** January 21, 2016, 11:22:42 PM »

A well-coached team is a team that responds in an affirmative manner to the tutelage offered by their coach. Well-coached teams can be good and they can be horrendous. It all depends on their coach.

Cases in point - the Squawks '88 Championship team under Larry Brown was a well-coached team. Their talent was outperformed by their coaching.

On the other side, oscar has taken Frank's kids to the NCAA tournament and lost in the first round every time. His teams have gotten worse every year since.

Both are well-coached teams.

bones129 · « **Reply #32 on:** January 22, 2016, 12:37:18 AM »

Quote from: Ptolemy on January 21, 2016, 11:22:42 PM

A well-coached team is a team that responds in an affirmative manner to the tutelage offered by their coach. Well-coached teams can be good and they can be horrendous. It all depends on their coach.

Cases in point - the Squawks '88 Championship team under Larry Brown was a well-coached team. Their talent was outperformed by their coaching.

On the other side, oscar has taken Frank's kids to the NCAA tournament and lost in the first round every time. His teams have gotten worse every year since.

Both are well-coached teams.

Two points in response. First, if you followed CBB in '88 you would know that Larry pulled off one of the greatest coaching jobs in history in the championship game. It was his strategy. I watched the first half thinking he was out of his mind, but then realized what he was doing, which worked. No one expected KU to run with OU but they did.

Second point: Agreed. oscar seems to have a bit of trouble winning when most of his players are his recruits.

michigancat · « **Reply #33 on:** January 22, 2016, 12:47:32 AM »

KU under Brown DID have the best player in the country

SdK · « **Reply #34 on:** January 22, 2016, 04:13:02 AM »

I don't think it's that hard to evaluate. Does talent make some coaches look better? Yes. But on the whole, if the offensive and defensive strategies fit the personnel then the team is well coached. It's all about adapting game to game, year to year, to what your team does best and avoiding what it is not good at.

Being well coached isn't a compliment that means anything though. Good coaching without good recruiting and talent is meaningless.

CHONGS · « **Reply #35 on:** January 22, 2016, 07:21:12 AM »

Quantitative measure. Quantitative.

Cire · « **Reply #36 on:** January 22, 2016, 08:01:35 AM »

Quote from: michigancat on January 22, 2016, 12:47:32 AM

KU under Brown DID have the best player in the country

that meant a lot in a year that didn't have much nba talent. the 88 draft class WOOF

TownieCat · « **Reply #37 on:** January 22, 2016, 08:25:07 AM »

Quote from: Cire on January 22, 2016, 08:01:35 AM

Quote from: michigancat on January 22, 2016, 12:47:32 AM
KU under Brown DID have the best player in the country

that meant a lot in a year that didn't have much nba talent. the 88 draft class WOOF

The #5 pick turned out ok

slobber · « **Reply #38 on:** January 22, 2016, 08:56:10 AM »

DNR the whole thread, but teams that get talked about as being 'well coached' often have shitty talent/ shitty recruiting.

Gonna win 'em all! (using Tapatalk)

meow meow · « **Reply #39 on:** January 22, 2016, 09:08:01 AM »

I don't think I've ever seen a team lose a bunch of teams and think they were well-coached.

SdK · « **Reply #40 on:** January 22, 2016, 09:19:15 AM »

Quote from: meow meow on January 22, 2016, 09:08:01 AM

I don't think I've ever seen a team lose a bunch of teams and think they were well-coached.

My high school team was well coached. We also didn't have anyone over 6'

meow meow · « **Reply #41 on:** January 22, 2016, 09:24:11 AM »

Quote from: Sundance»¤«Kid on January 22, 2016, 09:19:15 AM

Quote from: meow meow on January 22, 2016, 09:08:01 AM
I don't think I've ever seen a team lose a bunch of teams and think they were well-coached.
My high school team was well coached. We also didn't have anyone over 6'

what was your record?

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 22, 2016, 09:26:15 AM »

You can be well coached and have a shitty team, Jesus. However, if you assembled that team, it's on you.

meow meow · « **Reply #43 on:** January 22, 2016, 09:32:37 AM »

how many coaches with losing records are in the hall of fame?

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #44 on:** January 22, 2016, 09:36:17 AM »

Quote from: WackyCat08 on January 22, 2016, 09:26:15 AM

You can be well coached and have a shitty team, Jesus. However, if you assembled that team, it's on you.

meow meow · « **Reply #45 on:** January 22, 2016, 09:41:34 AM »

how many high school basketball coaches with losing records are in the KSHSAA HOF?

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #46 on:** January 22, 2016, 09:43:52 AM »

WGAF? My grandpa is in the Kansas Teachers Hall of Fame and he's a monster. They'll put anyone in those things.

Gooch · « **Reply #47 on:** January 22, 2016, 09:45:45 AM »

Quote from: slobber on January 22, 2016, 08:56:10 AM

DNR the whole thread, but teams that get talked about as being 'well coached' often have shitty talent/ shitty recruiting.

Gonna win 'em all! (using Tapatalk)

See KSU football

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #48 on:** January 22, 2016, 09:46:13 AM »

Quote from: WackyCat08 on January 22, 2016, 09:43:52 AM

WGAF? My grandpa is in the Kansas Teachers Hall of Fame and he's a monster. They'll put anyone in those things.

you open about that with Ms WC08 bud?

Gooch · « **Reply #49 on:** January 22, 2016, 09:47:00 AM »

Quote from: WackyCat08 on January 22, 2016, 09:43:52 AM

WGAF? My grandpa is in the Kansas Teachers Hall of Fame and he's a monster. They'll put anyone in those things.

My Grandma is in it too and she was a god damn saint