I have no presidential candidate to vote for and spanish bad word thread

[michigancat]

Also, just because a degree doesn't guarantee a good salary, that doesn't necessarily make it worthless.

[420seriouscat69]

If you actually think that the Bernie way of giving crap away for free will work, then you're an idiot.

For all of those people that went to school to get useless degrees that don't pay squat, you probably made a bad decision and were dreaming your future, not being practical about it.

Hot take.

I absolutely dreamed my future and I wouldn't of had it any other way!

[CNS]

That was my point about degrees for things like social work and teaching.

[CNS]

If you actually think that the Bernie way of giving crap away for free will work, then you're an idiot.

For all of those people that went to school to get useless degrees that don't pay squat, you probably made a bad decision and were dreaming your future, not being practical about it.

Its such an expensive and drastic decision that will have more effect on your life than most other decisions, and you make that decision when you are 18 yrs old.  You are acting like you have a 30y/o perspective as you graduate HS and enroll in college. 

[michigancat]

That was my point about degrees for things like social work and teaching.

Even humanities degrees aren't necessarily worthless. I personally think philosophy in particular is dumb, but research and understanding of history, fine arts, language, anthropology, etc. is valuable to both the recipients and society.

[sys]

if you go to a good school, major doesn't matter

i don't think that's true at all.

[420seriouscat69]

That was my point about degrees for things like social work and teaching.

Yeah, I get it. The system definitely needs a change for the better good. It's not just me, I talk to doctors every day who are drowned in debt. Will they make it back, absolutely. However, it takes them forever to get even. That's why a lot of them work around 6-7 days a week coming right out of school.

[420seriouscat69]

If you actually think that the Bernie way of giving crap away for free will work, then you're an idiot.

For all of those people that went to school to get useless degrees that don't pay squat, you probably made a bad decision and were dreaming your future, not being practical about it.

Its such an expensive and drastic decision that will have more effect on your life than most other decisions, and you make that decision when you are 18 yrs old.  You are acting like you have a 30y/o perspective as you graduate HS and enroll in college.

OMG! This!

[Rage Against the McKee]

Also, just because a degree doesn't guarantee a good salary, that doesn't necessarily make it worthless.

It makes it a high-risk loan.

[michigancat]

if you go to a good school, major doesn't matter

i don't think that's true at all.

Maybe people that went to "elite" schools are just better connected in general? I only have anecdotal evidence.

[Cartierfor3]

a lot of folks are better off skipping college.

[sys]

if you go to a good school, major doesn't matter

i don't think that's true at all.

Maybe people that went to "elite" schools are just better connected in general? I only have anecdotal evidence.

are you making your anecdotal comparisons to persons that also elite schools, but chose typically more lucrative majors or to the general pop?  are you controlling for postgraduate education?

[420seriouscat69]

Also, just because a degree doesn't guarantee a good salary, that doesn't necessarily make it worthless.

It makes it a high-risk loan.

That's the point tho. I'm sure many of you think i'm a dumbass on here, but I was even more of a dumbass at 18. When ppl were telling me, don't go into radio, you won't make any $. I ignored them. I was a very naive youngster, because I was chasing a dream. I was like: "That's fine. As long as i'm doing something that I love". Which I was, but when you can't pay your bills and you're working over 55 hours a week, there's a problem. You don't know the concept of what 30K gets you in this world at 18. They should do a better job of teaching this in HS.

[Emo EMAW]

Am against anything that keeps girls off campus until they are 20 years old.  They'll end up dating juco guys and riding on the backs of motorcycles and getting tramp stamps and probably taking a crap ton of morning after pills.

[420seriouscat69]

Maybe! Everyone has a learning curve tho. Mine was just a bit slower than others. I was book smart, but definitely not street smart at that age.

[ShellShock]

That was my point about degrees for things like social work and teaching.

Even humanities degrees aren't necessarily worthless. I personally think philosophy in particular is dumb, but research and understanding of history, fine arts, language, anthropology, etc. is valuable to both the recipients and society.

My point is that 50% of degrees are worthless and unnecessary. If you want to be an artist, by all means be an artist...but don't bitch about how much you're in debt and how little money you're making because of it.

[ShellShock]

If you actually think that the Bernie way of giving crap away for free will work, then you're an idiot.

For all of those people that went to school to get useless degrees that don't pay squat, you probably made a bad decision and were dreaming your future, not being practical about it.

Its such an expensive and drastic decision that will have more effect on your life than most other decisions, and you make that decision when you are 18 yrs old.  You are acting like you have a 30y/o perspective as you graduate HS and enroll in college.

Did I want to do other things at a younger age than what I am currently doing? Absolutely! I wanted to do all sorts of things but realized that it would be stupid for me to spend upwards of $80k to get a worthless degree that doesn't pay itself back.

In fact, I did have a 30 y/o outlook when I entered college because I knew that I had to pick something that interested me enough an was important enough to sustain a life that I wanted to live. Money makes the world turn, so I found something that was useful and made money.

[ShellShock]

Maybe! Everyone has a learning curve tho. Mine was just a bit slower than others. I was book smart, but definitely not street smart at that age.

Everyone is entitled to their own learning curve and walkabout through life. What frustrates me is that now because of it, we have a whiny generation that believes that everyone else should help them out instead of helping themselves out. It's not my responsibility to pay more in taxes to fund things like free education, welfare, food stamps, etc. when I have my crap figured out and others don't. I have no problem paying taxes for legitimate things like roads, primary schools, law enforcement, etc. (Government funding is also a portion of that but I have different thoughts on that and it belongs in a different thread)

[420seriouscat69]

Yeah, I feel ya. Also, in no way am I playing the "whoa me" card. I totally accept full responsibility for my loans and the jobs I've had up until this career. This generation is definitely entitled little shits, but we also might be getting old with our viewpoints and should start screaming at ppl to get off our lawns.

[sys]

playing the "whoa me" card.

book smart, but not street smart.

[420seriouscat69]

Meh. I was never that lazy with my papers and work emails with my vocabulary as I am on here.

[CNS]

If you actually think that the Bernie way of giving crap away for free will work, then you're an idiot.

For all of those people that went to school to get useless degrees that don't pay squat, you probably made a bad decision and were dreaming your future, not being practical about it.

Its such an expensive and drastic decision that will have more effect on your life than most other decisions, and you make that decision when you are 18 yrs old.  You are acting like you have a 30y/o perspective as you graduate HS and enroll in college.

Did I want to do other things at a younger age than what I am currently doing? Absolutely! I wanted to do all sorts of things but realized that it would be stupid for me to spend upwards of $80k to get a worthless degree that doesn't pay itself back.

In fact, I did have a 30 y/o outlook when I entered college because I knew that I had to pick something that interested me enough an was important enough to sustain a life that I wanted to live. Money makes the world turn, so I found something that was useful and made money.

Most kids don't know the life they want to live and what it accurately takes to live that life.  $30k, $40k, $50k, are all just numbers to someone who has never lived off of it, especially with family. 

[mhkpasa]

That was my point about degrees for things like social work and teaching.

Yeah, I get it. The system definitely needs a change for the better good. It's not just me, I talk to doctors every day who are drowned in debt. Will they make it back, absolutely. However, it takes them forever to get even. That's why a lot of them work around 6-7 days a week coming right out of school.

You realize resident physicians don't make their own schedule, right?

[CNS]

Maybe! Everyone has a learning curve tho. Mine was just a bit slower than others. I was book smart, but definitely not street smart at that age.

Everyone is entitled to their own learning curve and walkabout through life. What frustrates me is that now because of it, we have a whiny generation that believes that everyone else should help them out instead of helping themselves out. It's not my responsibility to pay more in taxes to fund things like free education, welfare, food stamps, etc. when I have my crap figured out and others don't. I have no problem paying taxes for legitimate things like roads, primary schools, law enforcement, etc. (Government funding is also a portion of that but I have different thoughts on that and it belongs in a different thread)

One thing you need to understand is that the cost of school to this gen and the cost of school to your gen(unless you just grad'ed in the last 6-7 yrs) is much different.  The cost increase of secondary ed has significantly out paced wages in the last 15 yrs or so, causing much more borrowing to get the same product I got at a lesser rate. 

Whether it ever becomes free or not is one thing, but letting the cost continue to do what it is doing will kill our economy over time.

[420seriouscat69]

@mhkpasa They can if they work FT somewhere and are only getting 4 days a week and then work PT somewhere else, like for us, as a dentist.