Post by: steve dave on January 13, 2016, 11:06:42 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on January 13, 2016, 11:09:08 AM
It ain't easy being moderate.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 13, 2016, 11:10:11 AM
Post by: CNS on January 13, 2016, 11:10:55 AM
Post by: ednksu on January 13, 2016, 11:30:18 AM
I'm with you, steve dave.
It ain't easy being moderate.
Yes, but someone like O'Malley seems less awful than Hilrod or anyone in the pub field.
Post by: michigancat on January 13, 2016, 11:31:49 AM
Post by: Asteriskhead on January 13, 2016, 11:32:42 AM
I'll probably vote for the Green Party candidate again
Dr. Stein?
Post by: michigancat on January 13, 2016, 11:37:21 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 13, 2016, 11:59:23 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2016, 12:17:06 PM
I have no reason to vote for anyone, just reasons to not vote for people. I guess one reason would be to vote against the person with the most negative reasons or something. bernie, hillary, trump, cruz. GMAFB with this field. do you guys realize how much of a layup this election would have been if Biden had wanted to be president?
Do you think that your platform has to align perfectly with the candidate to vote for them? There is very little difference politically between Hillary and Biden, they're both establishment liberals. I'm interested how people draw any parallels at all between the two, they're both completely beholden to liberal lobbyists and the DNC. You could also make a similar case for Marco Rubio.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 13, 2016, 12:17:21 PM
I'll probably vote for the Green Party candidate again
Dr. Stein?
:love:
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2016, 12:17:59 PM
I'll probably vote for the Green Party candidate again
Dr. Stein?
:love:
I am not a Democrat, I am a member of the Green Party but for the life of me I can't understand why anyone would vote for Jill Stein if Bernie Sanders wins the Democrat nomination.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2016, 12:19:03 PM
I'm with you, steve dave.
It ain't easy being moderate.
There have been nothing but moderate presidents in our lifetimes.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 13, 2016, 12:19:33 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 13, 2016, 12:20:30 PM
I'll probably vote for the Green Party candidate again
Dr. Stein?
:love:
I am not a Democrat, I am a member of the Green Party but for the life of me I can't understand why anyone would vote for Jill Stein if Bernie Sanders wins the Democrat nomination.
I think I've made it fairly clear that I'm all the way feeling the bern
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2016, 12:20:51 PM
I'm lost too. I do not want to vote for Trump.
Do more research, you strike me as a Rubio/Christie type.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 13, 2016, 12:26:15 PM
I'm lost too. I do not want to vote for Trump.
I think people in subsidized housing are supposed to vote democrat
Post by: Tobias on January 13, 2016, 12:26:48 PM
Post by: michigancat on January 13, 2016, 12:27:50 PM
I'm assuming he won't win the nominationI'll probably vote for the Green Party candidate again
Dr. Stein?
:love:
I am not a Democrat, I am a member of the Green Party but for the life of me I can't understand why anyone would vote for Jill Stein if Bernie Sanders wins the Democrat nomination.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 13, 2016, 12:29:15 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 13, 2016, 12:29:40 PM
Will do! Thanks for the pro tip. :thumbs:I'm lost too. I do not want to vote for Trump.
Do more research, you strike me as a Rubio/Christie type.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2016, 12:31:02 PM
I'm assuming he won't win the nominationI'll probably vote for the Green Party candidate again
Dr. Stein?
:love:
I am not a Democrat, I am a member of the Green Party but for the life of me I can't understand why anyone would vote for Jill Stein if Bernie Sanders wins the Democrat nomination.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2016, 12:32:38 PM
I'm assuming he won't win the nominationI'll probably vote for the Green Party candidate again
Dr. Stein?
:love:
I am not a Democrat, I am a member of the Green Party but for the life of me I can't understand why anyone would vote for Jill Stein if Bernie Sanders wins the Democrat nomination.
I mean at this point he has to be the favorite. He's polling ahead in Iowa and New Hampshire, a democrat has never won the nomination without winning one of those two states.
Post by: steve dave on January 13, 2016, 12:41:28 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2016, 12:48:17 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 13, 2016, 01:13:38 PM
If its Trump.... I don't even.... I guess if the choices are Hillary or Trump I'd rather burn it all down with Trump at the helm. Will be more entertaining.
Post by: steve dave on January 13, 2016, 01:19:29 PM
Post by: ednksu on January 13, 2016, 01:21:35 PM
Not to worry SD. There are still two good candidates with a chance of winning. Cruz or Rubio are great options, and I think one of them will get the nomination.
If its Trump.... I don't even.... I guess if the choices are Hillary or Trump I'd rather burn it all down with Trump at the helm. Will be more entertaining.
It's crazy to see the amount of people on social media who think he would be a great choice. I honestly don't understand it. I mean yeah Hilrod is a turd sandwich....but Trump... :sdeek:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 13, 2016, 01:25:50 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 13, 2016, 01:36:43 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 13, 2016, 01:39:19 PM
Typical regresocon, just wants a movie star for presidentNot really, I thought it was kinda cool. I mean, our current president tries to act like a movie star 24/7. What I liked about him at first, is he was different and had different ideas. He ended the first republican candidate with a bang too! However, he's crazy! Like most candidates running I guess.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on January 13, 2016, 02:09:12 PM
Typical regresocon, just wants a movie star for presidentNot really, I thought it was kinda cool. I mean, our current president tries to act like a movie star 24/7. What I liked about him at first, is he was different and had different ideas. He ended the first republican candidate with a bang too! However, he's crazy! Like most candidates running I guess.
Ben Carson shot another Republican candidate???
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2016, 02:22:22 PM
Not to worry SD. There are still two good candidates with a chance of winning. Cruz or Rubio are great options, and I think one of them will get the nomination.
If its Trump.... I don't even.... I guess if the choices are Hillary or Trump I'd rather burn it all down with Trump at the helm. Will be more entertaining.
Did you just recommend Ted Cruz to a moderate voter? Either you don't know who Ted Cruz is or you are a ridiculous, shameless shill.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 13, 2016, 02:41:10 PM
Post by: sys on January 13, 2016, 03:03:39 PM
Post by: Gooch on January 13, 2016, 03:12:04 PM
Post by: chum1 on January 13, 2016, 03:15:36 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on January 13, 2016, 03:19:48 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 13, 2016, 03:24:28 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on January 13, 2016, 03:28:01 PM
I'm just waiting until there are only 2 shitty choices and then pick the least shitty.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fresources2.news.com.au%2Fimages%2F2013%2F08%2F11%2F1226695%2F043490-4608a0b4-ffeb-11e2-a0b8-f32e1613e1fc.jpg&hash=4371b62ad55465df7817fd1b6b817690168d8db1)
Post by: steve dave on January 13, 2016, 03:43:26 PM
steve dave, i think you would enjoy voting for the libertarian candidate. he was a real governor of a real state (wow)!
electibility is one of the most important factors for me. I'm not driving down to some voting place to wait in line with a bunch of smelly people to waste my time. NE is great because we split the electoral votes based on the winner in each congressional district so I feel like my vote isn't a complete waste of time like I did when I lived in KS and was voting in the general elections. But, that would feel like a waste of my time.
Post by: Yard Dog on January 13, 2016, 03:54:16 PM
I'm just waiting until there are only 2 shitty choices and then pick the least shitty.
Picking the lesser of two evils seems to always be the situation in a presidential election.
Post by: sys on January 13, 2016, 04:01:05 PM
steve dave, i think you would enjoy voting for the libertarian candidate. he was a real governor of a real state (wow)!
electibility is one of the most important factors for me. I'm not driving down to some voting place to wait in line with a bunch of smelly people to waste my time. NE is great because we split the electoral votes based on the winner in each congressional district so I feel like my vote isn't a complete waste of time like I did when I lived in KS and was voting in the general elections. But, that would feel like a waste of my time.
i've never lived in a state where the winner of the state's electoral votes wasn't a foregone conclusion. maybe i'd feel different if i ever voted in a competitive race, but i can't understand that line of thought. even in most competitive states, your single vote is almost always meaningless.
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 13, 2016, 04:06:38 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 13, 2016, 04:35:49 PM
-his model countries are moving center-right
-his model countries have huge banks
-his model countries are reevaluating their massive social welfare systems
-his model countries are beginning to lament their immigration policies
Then I might actually listen to that nut job.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 13, 2016, 04:45:40 PM
Don't vote. But if you tell people your rationale, remember to say that the reason you're not voting is that you have no preference because you really LIKE each of the candidates. People don't like it when you say that you don't vote becasue all of the candidates suck.
I like this and it's true. I will say "I didn't vote because I think both would make a great President"
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2016, 10:40:09 PM
If Bernie recognizes:
-his model countries are moving center-right
-his model countries have huge banks
-his model countries are reevaluating their massive social welfare systems
-his model countries are beginning to lament their immigration policies
Then I might actually listen to that nut job.
No one cares old man, this thread isn't about who you don't like. We have no doubt who you're voting for in a general election.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 14, 2016, 07:36:54 AM
Don't vote. But if you tell people your rationale, remember to say that the reason you're not voting is that you have no preference because you really LIKE each of the candidates. People don't like it when you say that you don't vote becasue all of the candidates suck.
I like this and it's true. I will say "I didn't vote because I think both would make a great President"
Then they'll just think you're a moron. And they'd be right.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 14, 2016, 09:48:59 AM
Don't vote. But if you tell people your rationale, remember to say that the reason you're not voting is that you have no preference because you really LIKE each of the candidates. People don't like it when you say that you don't vote becasue all of the candidates suck.
I like this and it's true. I will say "I didn't vote because I think both would make a great President"
Then they'll just think you're a moron. And they'd be right.
99% of the people I associate with don't even discuss who we voted for because it is a sign of a weak minded loser to obsess over politics.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 14, 2016, 10:04:08 AM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 14, 2016, 10:06:08 AM
Post by: steve dave on January 14, 2016, 10:21:23 AM
If there were a Bob Dole/John McCain type lying around they'd have a pretty good shot in this election
I don't think any moderate republican would have a shot of getting out of the primary. there were probably a couple in the race but they got their doors blown off by not being able to stump the trump. that's just the new reality of the right unfortunately.
Post by: chum1 on January 14, 2016, 10:29:48 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 14, 2016, 10:34:26 AM
If Bernie recognizes:
-his model countries are moving center-right
-his model countries have huge banks
-his model countries are reevaluating their massive social welfare systems
-his model countries are beginning to lament their immigration policies
Then I might actually listen to that nut job.
No one cares old man, this thread isn't about who you don't like. We have no doubt who you're voting for in a general election.
No one cares what you think either and right now I'm not going to vote for anyone if things stay this way.
But go ahead and continue to support a whackadoodle who doesn't even understand the countries that he wants to model the US after.
Post by: ChiComCat on January 14, 2016, 11:18:17 AM
Post by: cfbandyman on January 14, 2016, 11:44:07 AM
If there were a Bob Dole/John McCain type lying around they'd have a pretty good shot in this election
I'm presuming the '00 McCain and not '08. That would be something. I like the idea of Bernie in that he's probably the most honest and normal candidate of them all as a person, even though I think a good amount of his policies will never work as well as you'd want and let's face he just won't get the nom. Hillary is just :yuck: but my reasons for not liking her stem for the same reason I don't want Jeb to get the nod, too much familial dynasty-like stuff going on. Though seeing the right completely lose their crap when she wins will be fun to watch. She'll be an "ok" president but I could see her being a 1 term prez. Trump is fun for the laughs but not a serious candidate. Cruz is :yuck: Rubio is about the only Republican I could be swayed to like. The rest of the bottom dwellers in the race I hope GTFO once Iowa is over so we can finally focus on like 4-5 candidates and get all this garbage out. What a deplorable lack of good candidates all around.
Post by: lopakman on January 14, 2016, 11:45:48 AM
Post by: cfbandyman on January 14, 2016, 12:03:58 PM
Bernie would suck at being president. Probably even more suck than Obama was
Keep telling yourself that, he'll end up about in the middle all time. Not spectacular, did some good things, did some bad things, but calling him a bad prez is just bitter rightwingering.
Post by: lopakman on January 14, 2016, 12:08:42 PM
Bernie would suck at being president. Probably even more suck than Obama was
Keep telling yourself that, he'll end up about in the middle all time. Not spectacular, did some good things, did some bad things, but calling him a bad prez is just bitter rightwingering.
no it's a fact
Post by: mocat on January 14, 2016, 12:50:36 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 14, 2016, 12:57:53 PM
That's what they said about clinton tooAnd they were right. Just because Bush and Obama were shitty, doesn't mean he was great.
Post by: steve dave on January 14, 2016, 01:01:26 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 14, 2016, 01:09:46 PM
what made the clinton presidency bad wacky?IDK. :dunno: Just being a pest. The economy was really good. I just remember dad cussing at him a lot on our TV, that we had to change the channel by turning the knob with.
Post by: DQ12 on January 14, 2016, 01:13:04 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on January 14, 2016, 01:13:20 PM
what made the clinton presidency bad wacky?IDK. :dunno: Just being a pest. The economy was really good. I just remember dad cussing at him a lot on our TV, that we had to change the channel by turning the knob with.
What? You didn't even have a remote which was connected to the TV by wires?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 14, 2016, 01:14:07 PM
I think we got it half way through his presidency.what made the clinton presidency bad wacky?IDK. :dunno: Just being a pest. The economy was really good. I just remember dad cussing at him a lot on our TV, that we had to change the channel by turning the knob with.
What? You didn't even have a remote which was connected to the TV by wires?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 14, 2016, 01:27:16 PM
what made the clinton presidency bad wacky?IDK. :dunno: Just being a pest. The economy was really good. I just remember dad cussing at him a lot on our TV, that we had to change the channel by turning the knob with.
Your dad swore at the President through the tv?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 14, 2016, 01:30:54 PM
If there were a Bob Dole/John McCain type lying around they'd have a pretty good shot in this election
You mean like Mitt Romney? Tried that in 2012. Against a (relatively) weak incumbent. Lost. Lost even though Obama's votes were down from 2008. Lost even though he won "independents." Romney lost because his own base didn't turn out in adequate numbers.
The GOP's best bet to win the presidency is to first energize the base, and second expand the base. The GOP will get a big assist in both regards if Hillary is the Dem nominee.
I think Trump, Cruz, and Rubio can all energize the base (Cruz in particular) and can all somewhat expand the base (Trump and Rubio in particular). The primary area they can expand the base is the blue collar and even union white nonvoters and traditional dem voters in rust belt states like Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, and Pennsylvania. Win these states and the electoral math get a lot easier.
Post by: kso_FAN on January 14, 2016, 01:31:07 PM
I'm lost too. I do not want to vote for Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRfP_TEQ-g
Post by: Ptolemy on January 14, 2016, 01:31:28 PM
What's not to like?
Post by: Tobias on January 14, 2016, 01:31:50 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 14, 2016, 01:33:41 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 14, 2016, 01:34:41 PM
Oh ya. Obama too. He fumes at the mouth.what made the clinton presidency bad wacky?IDK. :dunno: Just being a pest. The economy was really good. I just remember dad cussing at him a lot on our TV, that we had to change the channel by turning the knob with.
Your dad swore at the President through the tv?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 14, 2016, 01:35:04 PM
:lol:I'm lost too. I do not want to vote for Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRfP_TEQ-g
Post by: steve dave on January 14, 2016, 01:52:17 PM
Ted Cruz for President: lower taxes, undo Obama executive actions, repeal Obamacare, follow existing immigration law, stop federal funding of Planned Abortionhood, economic growth of at least 6% per year, restore American respect among our enemies around the world, a President that will finally identify our enemy as radical Islam, plus the opportunity to appoint as many as 4 Supreme Court judges and bring the U.S. constitution back into the forefront in the judicial branch. My personal favorite is he's the only candidate smart enough to rein-in the RINO do-nothings in Congress.
What's not to like?
:lol:
Post by: lopakman on January 14, 2016, 01:54:27 PM
Also the recession started a couple months after Clinton left office. It was inevitable and even libtards like mir can't argue that Bush was at fault for the 2001 resession
Post by: star seed 7 on January 14, 2016, 01:56:01 PM
Post by: Asteriskhead on January 14, 2016, 02:00:41 PM
Oh ya. Obama too. He fumes at the mouth.what made the clinton presidency bad wacky?IDK. :dunno: Just being a pest. The economy was really good. I just remember dad cussing at him a lot on our TV, that we had to change the channel by turning the knob with.
Your dad swore at the President through the tv?
:D
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 14, 2016, 02:19:58 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 14, 2016, 02:57:54 PM
Sad
Next thing you know, lib's gonna claim Clinton didn't really mean to sign the repeal of Glass-Steagall.
Post by: lopakman on January 14, 2016, 02:58:07 PM
You sound like a butthurt loser
I sound like Obama you say?
Post by: Trim on January 14, 2016, 05:11:35 PM
I don't think it matters who's president.
Post by: Institutional Control on January 15, 2016, 10:11:01 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on January 15, 2016, 10:11:30 AM
Candidates you side with...
88% Bernie Sanders
Bernie Sanders Democratic
on foreign policy, domestic policy, immigration, environmental, healthcare, education, and science issues.
compare answers
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on January 15, 2016, 10:31:12 AM
sidewith.com
It's a trap! :shakesfist:
Post by: mocat on January 15, 2016, 10:42:14 AM
sidewith.com
It's a trap! :shakesfist:
when you vote, maybe write in admiral ackbar?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 15, 2016, 11:08:17 AM
sidewith.comisidewith.com
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on January 15, 2016, 11:44:14 AM
sidewith.com
It's a trap! :shakesfist:
when you vote, maybe write in admiral ackbar?
That quiz told me to vote for Bernie.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 15, 2016, 11:51:29 AM
94%
Bernie Sanders
Democratic
on social, economic, domestic policy, immigration, environmental, healthcare, and electoral issues.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 15, 2016, 11:55:17 AM
sidewith.com
It's a trap! :shakesfist:
when you vote, maybe write in admiral ackbar?
That quiz told me to vote for Bernie.
Not surprising.
It's absurd that the democratic party has been so hijacked by lobbyists and career politicians that a liberal is considered some extremist freak show.
Post by: Asteriskhead on January 15, 2016, 11:57:13 AM
sidewith.com
It's a trap! :shakesfist:
when you vote, maybe write in admiral ackbar?
That quiz told me to vote for Bernie.
Not surprising.
It's absurd that the democratic party has been so hijacked by lobbyists and career politicians that a liberal is considered some extremist freak show.
it has pretty much become the dirtiest of dirty words in american politics.
Post by: sys on January 15, 2016, 12:40:34 PM
Post by: DQ12 on January 15, 2016, 01:16:37 PM
82% sanders, lol.:sdeek:
Post by: steve dave on January 15, 2016, 01:27:17 PM
82% sanders, lol.
:runaway:
Post by: sys on January 15, 2016, 01:53:17 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 15, 2016, 01:53:50 PM
Post by: chum1 on January 15, 2016, 02:32:37 PM
Clinton 96
Wow. I don't vote.
Post by: 'taterblast on January 15, 2016, 02:40:25 PM
87% Bernie
83% Clinton
78% Trump
this seems like bullshit, you're telling me there's only a 9% difference between Sanders and Trump?
Post by: ednksu on January 15, 2016, 02:54:16 PM
Post by: Yard Dog on January 15, 2016, 02:57:31 PM
:love:
Cruz - 88%
Jeb - 83%
Rand - 82%
Post by: mocat on January 15, 2016, 03:04:06 PM
Hillary 82%
Martin O'Malley 70%
Rand Paul 65%
Ted Cruz 57%
guys whotf is martin o'malley
Post by: mocat on January 15, 2016, 03:05:41 PM
Jim Webb 33%
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.isidewith.com%2F_imgs%2Fcandidates%2Flg%2F819009511.png&hash=2b26da0bb3a2fdcf3bb72ad68725b580b7838046)
we agree on "science issues"
Post by: star seed 7 on January 15, 2016, 03:19:34 PM
(give nasa a blank check was my answer)
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on January 15, 2016, 03:21:51 PM
Bern 88%
Hillary 82%
Martin O'Malley 70%
Rand Paul 65%
Ted Cruz 57%
guys whotf is martin o'malley
I would like to know also. He was pretty high on my list.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 15, 2016, 03:23:11 PM
Post by: Tobias on January 15, 2016, 03:25:06 PM
Post by: mocat on January 15, 2016, 03:26:47 PM
The democrat guy who whistles when he talks at that debate he was in
i knew i knew him from shomewhere
Post by: chum1 on January 15, 2016, 03:29:55 PM
Post by: Yard Dog on January 15, 2016, 03:32:12 PM
The democrat guy who whistles when he talks at that debate he was in
The democrats have debates? when did this happen? I leave my weeknights open for them. . .wonder why I haven't seen any. *fart noise*
Post by: sys on January 15, 2016, 03:36:42 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on January 15, 2016, 03:40:45 PM
some mocat math on that site. they listed 43 issues in my agreed with sanders column and 28 in my did not agree column to come up with 82% sided with.
They are weighting more on the issues that you said were very important???
Post by: sys on January 15, 2016, 03:43:14 PM
Post by: lopakman on January 15, 2016, 03:47:10 PM
72% Hilary
Bernie 59%, which is not surprising since he's the worst candidate out there
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 15, 2016, 03:52:44 PM
The democrat guy who whistles when he talks at that debate he was in
The democrats have debates? when did this happen? I leave my weeknights open for them. . .wonder why I haven't seen any. *fart noise*
YD is bringing the HEAT
Post by: ednksu on January 15, 2016, 04:00:15 PM
that's possible, but does not seem probable (would have to be some weird non-linear weighting).
obvs lib isidewith.com just like fact check and snopes. i heard they're owned by Soros to boot.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 15, 2016, 04:17:30 PM
84% Bush
84% Cruz
76% Bern
classic neoconFor3
Post by: Trim on January 15, 2016, 04:46:56 PM
(https://www.isidewith.com/results-image/elections/2016-presidential/1650044655.jpg)
Post by: star seed 7 on January 15, 2016, 04:49:07 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 15, 2016, 04:49:34 PM
Trump 87%
John Kasich 83%
Carson 82%
Cruz 80%
Bush 74%
Paul 66%
Clinton 63%
Sanders 51%
Post by: Trim on January 15, 2016, 04:53:51 PM
Post by: Trim on January 15, 2016, 04:59:24 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi709.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww92%2FTommyRoanoke%2FiSideWith_zps1bavqznt.jpg&hash=495e54c439abe6bd6583f32a2211586155e81ce4) (http://s709.photobucket.com/user/TommyRoanoke/media/iSideWith_zps1bavqznt.jpg.html)
Post by: sys on January 15, 2016, 05:07:06 PM
I still think that nothing all that bad can happen no matter who's president.
not for you. you agree with all candidates equally. allegedly.
Post by: 8manpick on January 15, 2016, 07:08:40 PM
Post by: wetwillie on January 15, 2016, 07:10:27 PM
Post by: steve dave on January 15, 2016, 07:23:53 PM
Jeb Bush at 80%. I'm gutted.
Not bad. I mean, who were you hoping for?
Post by: wetwillie on January 15, 2016, 08:26:25 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 15, 2016, 08:48:29 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 18, 2016, 01:00:37 AM
Good point, better than a 99% trump score. I thought me and Rubio were homies tho.
Rubio is pretty similar to Jeb.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 18, 2016, 03:54:23 AM
I was tied for Bernie and Rand Paul on that isidewith quiz, which makes tons of sense :dubious:
It makes plenty of sense, Bernie is an independent and Rand pretty much is. They share nearly the identical views on foreign policy, national security, drugs, and sentencing reform. Socially they're nearly the same person, I'm guessing you weighted those issues heavier.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 18, 2016, 09:45:03 AM
I was tied for Bernie and Rand Paul on that isidewith quiz, which makes tons of sense :dubious:
It makes plenty of sense, Bernie is an independent and Rand pretty much is. They share nearly the identical views on foreign policy, national security, drugs, and sentencing reform. Socially they're nearly the same person, I'm guessing you weighted those issues heavier.
Its like when Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich were BFFs
Post by: Trim on January 18, 2016, 12:41:15 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on January 18, 2016, 12:42:46 PM
Presidential candidates should be entire teams early. I don't believe that any of these candidates are solely competent in all the areas a president has to know. The candidates should have a known economy guy, military guy, social issues guy, etc. (and (or gal!) after each one), that are vetted nearly as much as the main candidate and who get out and speak to their thing. I'd be fine with a president who doesn't even know that much about any one thing if he has a dream team of people who'd whip ass at their thing.
Aren't those called cabinet members?
Post by: star seed 7 on January 18, 2016, 12:46:08 PM
Post by: Trim on January 18, 2016, 12:46:23 PM
Presidential candidates should be entire teams early. I don't believe that any of these candidates are solely competent in all the areas a president has to know. The candidates should have a known economy guy, military guy, social issues guy, etc. (and (or gal!) after each one), that are vetted nearly as much as the main candidate and who get out and speak to their thing. I'd be fine with a president who doesn't even know that much about any one thing if he has a dream team of people who'd whip ass at their thing.
Aren't those called cabinet members?
I want the candidates to have them all picked out and on the bus tours right now (gonna need a bigger bus), and those people saying what they're going to try to do on their respective subjects.
My guess is that as it is, the candidates have experts in their camps writing up answers for them and giving them crash courses on foreign countries and stuff. I'd rather it not be a contest of who can memorize and regurgitate the smoothest, and instead to actually see the people who are coming up with it.
Post by: Trim on January 18, 2016, 12:47:05 PM
What if two dudes want to use the same war dude
War dude will have hella leverage in who gets his services.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on January 25, 2016, 12:59:25 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 25, 2016, 01:35:14 PM
So Michael Bloomberg might be running....
Cool, I'm sure the 26 votes he'll get will really shake things up.
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2016, 01:43:52 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 25, 2016, 02:07:07 PM
if it's trump and sanders there is going to be a massive amount of voters who bloomberg would be an option for.
Until people find out that he's simply an establishment democrat. Help me to understand how he is politically different than Hillrod? He's a democrat that wants to hold his own money.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 25, 2016, 02:10:16 PM
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2016, 02:13:25 PM
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2016, 02:13:49 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 25, 2016, 02:14:57 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 25, 2016, 02:15:54 PM
if it's trump and sanders there is going to be a massive amount of voters who bloomberg would be an option for.
Until people find out that he's simply an establishment democrat. Help me to understand how he is politically different than Hillrod? He's a democrat that wants to hold his own money.
In that scenario, Hillrod wouldn't be an option.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 25, 2016, 02:29:36 PM
I don't think most people's issue with Hillary is her political viewsPeople who would ever even consider voting for her don't care about those damn emails. That stuff matters most to people who would never consider her anyway
if it's trump and sanders there is going to be a massive amount of voters who bloomberg would be an option for.
Until people find out that he's simply an establishment democrat. Help me to understand how he is politically different than Hillrod? He's a democrat that wants to hold his own money.
In that scenario, Hillrod wouldn't be an option.
Right she wouldn't be an option because her platform was already rejected by the democratic voters. If independents truly cared about Bloomberg's views then they would caucus for Hillary and vote for her in primaries. There is no mistaking that politically they are eerily similar. I would like to think that people would say "oh look an independent" and blindly pull the lever for him.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 25, 2016, 03:11:27 PM
Post by: CNS on January 25, 2016, 03:41:46 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 25, 2016, 06:33:33 PM
I don't get why the email issue isn't/wouldn't be a problem. It shows a big lack of judgment and an obvious choice by her to put her own ability to control what info of hers she can above national security.
Didn't she delete a bunch of emails early on in the investigation? I think her motives were much more about hiding her communications with regard to FISA under the guise of convenience. She knew what she was doing.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 26, 2016, 02:00:15 AM
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2016, 06:33:41 AM
It's not a big deal because her supporters don't think that it is, it won't cost her a single vote. It's the Jeremiah Wright bullshit all over again. The Democrats have learned things since getting Willie Horton'd and Swift Boated.
this is a good description of the situation
Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 26, 2016, 06:37:15 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 26, 2016, 08:29:49 AM
It's not a big deal because her supporters don't think that it is, it won't cost her a single vote. It's the Jeremiah Wright bullshit all over again. The Democrats have learned things since getting Willie Horton'd and Swift Boated.
It won't cost her votes in the primary, but it will be a big deal if she is the nominee.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 26, 2016, 08:33:03 AM
Lol, that's gotta make the Hall.
Post by: Institutional Control on January 26, 2016, 08:39:28 AM
Post by: CNS on January 26, 2016, 08:48:30 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 26, 2016, 09:11:36 AM
Post by: Yard Dog on January 26, 2016, 09:16:46 AM
Is this the worst cast of presidential candidates, EVER?
For the Dems? Yes, emphatically yes.
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2016, 09:17:16 AM
Is this the worst cast of presidential candidates, EVER?
what...what's that music? THAT'S JOE BIDEN'S MUSIC!
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.oregonlive.com%2Fhome%2Folive-media%2Fwidth960%2Fimg%2Foregonian%2Fphoto%2F2014%2F10%2F08%2F-7e192d0c6ec11dfd.JPG&hash=da4e0d4f0ca6977189dfad016d1bb08d06508cbb)
Post by: star seed 7 on January 26, 2016, 09:28:57 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 26, 2016, 09:32:57 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 26, 2016, 09:33:19 AM
Joe Biden loves: War, Guns, Ice Cream :thumbsup:
Post by: star seed 7 on January 26, 2016, 09:36:29 AM
Adding to the list.
Joe Biden loves: War, Guns, Ice Cream :thumbsup:
America, whipping ass
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 26, 2016, 09:39:54 AM
Adding to the list.
Joe Biden loves: War, Guns, Ice Cream :thumbsup:
America, whipping ass
T-Shirt?
Post by: star seed 7 on January 26, 2016, 09:44:51 AM
Post by: nicname on January 26, 2016, 09:52:51 AM
Stone colds music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhIj7VQhV5o
Post by: MakeItRain on January 26, 2016, 11:42:10 AM
It's not a big deal because her supporters don't think that it is, it won't cost her a single vote. It's the Jeremiah Wright bullshit all over again. The Democrats have learned things since getting Willie Horton'd and Swift Boated.
It won't cost her votes in the primary, but it will be a big deal if she is the nominee.
You can't possibly think that if she ran against Trump or Cruz that someone would make that decision based on this email issue that little to no one actually understands. Maybe she loses a few votes to Marco but who cares, they're the same person.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 26, 2016, 11:43:51 AM
Oh yeah, improper handling of classified documents and operating a private IT system outside of Federal IT guidelines (that include prison if violated) is right there with Jeremiah Wright.
Lol, that's gotta make the Hall.
Hall!!! My god kid, maybe spend less time at the phog
Post by: MakeItRain on January 26, 2016, 11:48:26 AM
Is this the worst cast of presidential candidates, EVER?
For the Dems? Yes, emphatically yes.
Yard Dumbass, explain to me how this stellar group of Republican candidates are all running even with one Democratic candidate and pretty clearly losing to the other?
The answer is, no this is a great batch of candidates. There is something for anyone. There are candidates on the extreme fringes of the political spectrum and all kinds of candidates in the middle.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 26, 2016, 11:54:33 AM
Oh yeah, improper handling of classified documents and operating a private IT system outside of Federal IT guidelines (that include prison if violated) is right there with Jeremiah Wright.
Lol, that's gotta make the Hall.
Hall!!! My god kid, maybe spend less time at the phog
Dedicated FBI investigation teams, private email servers circumventing a laundry list of Federal IT protocols, domain names hosted by overseas entity, email servers in non-secure environments both virtually and physically, illegal reclassification of secure government documentation, and on and on and on. . . exactly the same as Jeremiah Wright.
LOL . . . classic MIR. Wow!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 26, 2016, 11:56:37 AM
It's not a big deal because her supporters don't think that it is, it won't cost her a single vote. It's the Jeremiah Wright bullshit all over again. The Democrats have learned things since getting Willie Horton'd and Swift Boated.
It won't cost her votes in the primary, but it will be a big deal if she is the nominee.
You can't possibly think that if she ran against Trump or Cruz that someone would make that decision based on this email issue that little to no one actually understands. Maybe she loses a few votes to Marco but who cares, they're the same person.
Dedicated FBI investigation teams, private email servers circumventing a laundry list of Federal IT protocols, domain names hosted by overseas entity, email servers in non-secure environments both virtually and physically, illegal reclassification of secure government documentation, and on and on and on. . . exactly the same as Jeremiah Wright.
LOL . . . classic MIR. Wow!
I don't think you quoted the correct post. Hillary's emails and the fact that no one cares about them aren't my issue.
HALL!
I redid my post, and there's lots of people who care about them, just not ProgLib Hillary apologists like you who will look the other way all day long, as long as power is maintained. Sad. But yeah, Jeremiah Wright. :lol:
Post by: MakeItRain on January 26, 2016, 11:57:58 AM
Oh yeah, improper handling of classified documents and operating a private IT system outside of Federal IT guidelines (that include prison if violated) is right there with Jeremiah Wright.
Lol, that's gotta make the Hall.
Hall!!! My god kid, maybe spend less time at the phog
Dedicated FBI investigation teams, private email servers circumventing a laundry list of Federal IT protocols, domain names hosted by overseas entity, email servers in non-secure environments both virtually and physically, illegal reclassification of secure government documentation, and on and on and on. . . exactly the same as Jeremiah Wright.
LOL . . . classic MIR. Wow!
Not at all the point, at no time did I say they were the same thing; one involves a pastor, the other emails
HALL!
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2016, 11:58:57 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 26, 2016, 11:59:07 AM
Oh yeah, improper handling of classified documents and operating a private IT system outside of Federal IT guidelines (that include prison if violated) is right there with Jeremiah Wright.
Lol, that's gotta make the Hall.
Hall!!! My god kid, maybe spend less time at the phog
Dedicated FBI investigation teams, private email servers circumventing a laundry list of Federal IT protocols, domain names hosted by overseas entity, email servers in non-secure environments both virtually and physically, illegal reclassification of secure government documentation, and on and on and on. . . exactly the same as Jeremiah Wright.
LOL . . . classic MIR. Wow!
Not at all the point, at no time did I say they were the same thing; one involves a pastor, the other emails
HALL!
You implied as much and you know it.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 26, 2016, 11:59:22 AM
HALL!
Post by: ChiComCat on January 26, 2016, 12:00:57 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 26, 2016, 12:02:34 PM
Oh yeah, improper handling of classified documents and operating a private IT system outside of Federal IT guidelines (that include prison if violated) is right there with Jeremiah Wright.
Lol, that's gotta make the Hall.
Hall!!! My god kid, maybe spend less time at the phog
Dedicated FBI investigation teams, private email servers circumventing a laundry list of Federal IT protocols, domain names hosted by overseas entity, email servers in non-secure environments both virtually and physically, illegal reclassification of secure government documentation, and on and on and on. . . exactly the same as Jeremiah Wright.
LOL . . . classic MIR. Wow!
Not at all the point, at no time did I say they were the same thing; one involves a pastor, the other emails
HALL!
You implied as much and you know it.
Uh, no I didn't. steve dave understood the point, because he's not a blinded dumbfuck partisan frothing at the mouth about some issue that 80% of this country don't understand or care about.
Post by: Institutional Control on January 26, 2016, 12:04:06 PM
let's get back to the me not liking any of these people topic guys.Mod abuse!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 26, 2016, 12:05:28 PM
I'm a Hillary apologist :ROFL: okay kid
HALL!
When you say you don't care about classified emails (and Flying Spaghetti Monster knows what else) being placed on a private email server in a non secure environment and transported across that wacky World Wide Web in highly non secure fashion contravening a laundry list of Federal laws and regulations . . . that's an apologist on every level. But Jeremiah Wright! :lol:
Post by: AppleJack on January 26, 2016, 12:18:18 PM
Thank you.
Post by: chuckjames on January 26, 2016, 12:23:03 PM
Post by: CNS on January 26, 2016, 12:36:20 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 26, 2016, 12:40:59 PM
Someone should make a thread where the 'pubs can bitch about Hillary
It's fascinating that the board regresocons will steer any topic back to her
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 26, 2016, 12:50:04 PM
Post by: steve dave on January 27, 2016, 07:54:38 AM
clinton: don't like her
bernie: like him, don't like his politics
trump: love to listen to him, don't want him anywhere in politics from the municipal level up and am sad that there are actual breathing people that think it would be a good idea.
cruz: don't like anything about him
rubio: like him kind of, like some of his policy but not all. is a loser who's polling like 15th so it doesn't matter.
bush: see rubio
Post by: CNS on January 27, 2016, 09:17:52 AM
Also, its pretty amazing how quickly Carson has completely dropped off the face of the earth. I mean, I get it, but am shocked that he has but Trump hasn't. Both seem super unqualified and super crazy, yet it's the brain surgeon that gets the L while the reality TV star is still mushing every face he can fit in his hands.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 27, 2016, 09:29:07 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 27, 2016, 09:37:56 AM
Everyone should vote for bernie even if you don't like his policies. He'll never be able to pass like any of it, but at least we'll have a good person for president :thumbs:What makes him a good person? Because he wants everyone to have free stuff? He's got the politics of a 5 year old.
Post by: Cire on January 27, 2016, 09:43:51 AM
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Post by: star seed 7 on January 27, 2016, 09:48:35 AM
Everyone should vote for bernie even if you don't like his policies. He'll never be able to pass like any of it, but at least we'll have a good person for president :thumbs:What makes him a good person? Because he wants everyone to have free stuff? He's got the politics of a 5 year old.
You are indoctrinated
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 27, 2016, 09:50:30 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 27, 2016, 09:52:41 AM
Post by: CNS on January 27, 2016, 10:16:02 AM
Who have I been indoctrinated by?
Media
:curse:
Post by: Tobias on January 27, 2016, 10:43:22 AM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 27, 2016, 10:55:38 AM
Who have I been indoctrinated by?
lib come on. you're a bit indoctrinated. name one issue where you would go against the far left.
Post by: wetwillie on January 27, 2016, 10:57:33 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 27, 2016, 11:02:43 AM
Post by: Yard Dog on January 27, 2016, 11:03:55 AM
I'll come up with one....
:impatient:
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 27, 2016, 11:04:20 AM
I'll come up with one....
:Woot:
Post by: renocat on January 27, 2016, 11:05:04 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 27, 2016, 11:23:38 AM
Post by: Cire on January 27, 2016, 11:39:26 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 28, 2016, 02:07:24 AM
Who have I been indoctrinated by?
lib come on. you're a bit indoctrinated. name one issue where you would go against the far left.
:rolleyes:
Post by: star seed 7 on January 28, 2016, 03:36:24 PM
Post by: Yard Dog on January 28, 2016, 04:28:44 PM
Post by: wetwillie on January 28, 2016, 06:23:58 PM
Post by: bucket on January 31, 2016, 07:40:18 PM
Post by: renocat on January 31, 2016, 08:34:07 PM
Post by: chum1 on February 02, 2016, 06:07:49 PM
Post by: steve dave on February 03, 2016, 07:41:55 AM
Post by: Fedor on February 03, 2016, 08:27:45 AM
RUBIO DIDN'T DO THAT BAD! Voting for him guys.:cheers:
I don't know much of anything about him but I saw an ad and he had footballs in them so he has my vote too.
Post by: Institutional Control on February 03, 2016, 08:30:48 AM
RUBIO DIDN'T DO THAT BAD! Voting for him guys.:cheers:
I don't know much of anything about him but I saw an ad and he had footballs in them so he has my vote too.
His wife was a Miami Dolphins cheerleader. Of course he knows football.
Post by: 8manpick on February 03, 2016, 08:33:15 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 03, 2016, 08:38:05 AM
Post by: CNS on February 03, 2016, 08:38:52 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2016, 10:54:50 AM
Isidewith had him as my second best match.
So Jeb was first and Hillary third huh?
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2016, 11:01:30 AM
RUBIO DIDN'T DO THAT BAD! Voting for him guys.
President of the Joe Biden fan club jumps to the Hillary Clinton of the republican party; Americans love their cozy, warm establishment blankie.
Post by: CNS on February 03, 2016, 11:05:27 AM
Isidewith had him as my second best match.
So Jeb was first and Hillary third huh?
nope. It surprised me, but Bernie was 84% and Rand at 80%. :surprised:
Post by: 8manpick on February 03, 2016, 11:23:41 AM
Isidewith had him as my second best match.
So Jeb was first and Hillary third huh?
nope. It surprised me, but Bernie was 84% and Rand at 80%. :surprised:
I'm going to take it again today, but that was basically what I got the first time too.
Post by: wetwillie on February 03, 2016, 12:14:59 PM
RUBIO DIDN'T DO THAT BAD! Voting for him guys.
President of the Joe Biden fan club jumps to the Hillary Clinton of the republican party; Americans love their cozy, warm establishment blankie.
It just came out of the dryer and it feels SO good.
Post by: DQ12 on February 03, 2016, 01:55:43 PM
Post by: 8manpick on February 03, 2016, 03:18:57 PM
Isidewith had him as my second best match.
So Jeb was first and Hillary third huh?
nope. It surprised me, but Bernie was 84% and Rand at 80%. :surprised:
I'm going to take it again today, but that was basically what I got the first time too.
83% Rand, 79% Bernie. :frown:
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2016, 04:11:10 PM
Isidewith had him as my second best match.
So Jeb was first and Hillary third huh?
nope. It surprised me, but Bernie was 84% and Rand at 80%. :surprised:
I'm going to take it again today, but that was basically what I got the first time too.
83% Rand, 79% Bernie. :frown:
Independent spirit! I was listening to a conservative radio host this morning who said the republican insiders think that independents in NH who we're going to vote for Rand will now jump to Bernie.
Post by: Institutional Control on February 03, 2016, 08:33:20 PM
Everyone says "he's a socialist!" Those same people call Obama a socialist and things have been just fine for me the past 7 years.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 08:32:59 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on February 04, 2016, 08:51:39 AM
Post by: CNS on February 04, 2016, 08:51:44 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on February 04, 2016, 08:52:54 AM
Wacky, Based on what?
What Rush told him
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 09:00:45 AM
Don't be an idiot, chicat. Just because I shared that my dad listened to him as I was a kid, doesn't mean I tune into him at work, hippy. I'm surprised he's still on the air. Giving away free everything, will teeter totter the economy. Education? Schools, professors, etc. will lose their asses.Wacky, Based on what?
What Rush told him
Post by: ChiComCat on February 04, 2016, 09:03:30 AM
Don't be an idiot, chicat. Just because I shared that my dad listened to him as I was a kid, doesn't mean I tune into him at work, hippy. I'm surprised he's still on the air. Giving away free everything, will teeter totter the economy. Education? Schools, professors, etc. will lose their asses.Wacky, Based on what?
What Rush told him
I don't know what you are talking about with the dad thing. It was a joke. Calm down. Anyways, Bernie wouldn't be able to do 95% of what he wants to.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 09:05:57 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 09:12:57 AM
http://www.dailywire.com/news/2774/here-are-bernie-sanders-top-10-wackiest-ideas-aaron-bandler?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=011216-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro
Post by: Cire on February 04, 2016, 09:14:17 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2016, 09:21:41 AM
Don't be an idiot, chicat. Just because I shared that my dad listened to him as I was a kid, doesn't mean I tune into him at work, hippy. I'm surprised he's still on the air. Giving away free everything, will teeter totter the economy. Education? Schools, professors, etc. will lose their asses.Wacky, Based on what?
What Rush told him
:lol:
Post by: CNS on February 04, 2016, 09:26:40 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 09:28:29 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 04, 2016, 09:30:17 AM
But what do you say to the generation of ppl that are already buried in student debt? "Sorry, you weren't born late enough. They have the advantage now coming out debt free"". :dunno:
You get what you agreed to.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 09:30:41 AM
Post by: CNS on February 04, 2016, 09:31:40 AM
But what do you say to the generation of ppl that are already buried in student debt? "Sorry, you weren't born late enough. They have the advantage now coming out debt free"". :dunno:
Yep. That's how it works. You can't vote on things based on what was fair for those in the past. If you don't change anything, things stay the same. Do you like how things are now as far as student debt is concerned?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 09:32:07 AM
I'll also take it, that most ppl with this viewpoint, had mommy and daddy pay for their college.But what do you say to the generation of ppl that are already buried in student debt? "Sorry, you weren't born late enough. They have the advantage now coming out debt free"". :dunno:
You get what you agreed to.
Post by: CNS on February 04, 2016, 09:33:04 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 04, 2016, 09:34:14 AM
I'll also take it, that most ppl with this viewpoint, had mommy and daddy pay for their college.But what do you say to the generation of ppl that are already buried in student debt? "Sorry, you weren't born late enough. They have the advantage now coming out debt free"". :dunno:
You get what you agreed to.
They paid a little bit, but I had a job and scholarships to pay for most of it.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 09:36:44 AM
Well no. I would change the dependent and independent status view by the government as well. This is a major cluster. You're a dependent, if you're under the age of 24, not married, or haven't had a child. All the things they tell you not to do growing up. For some reason, dependent students get slapped on the hand for this. Less option for government loan support, no chance at grants, many turn to private loans, etc. We have for profit schools out there taking advantage of independent funds, because they don't know where to use their grant money and excess funds. It's a mumped up world, guys.But what do you say to the generation of ppl that are already buried in student debt? "Sorry, you weren't born late enough. They have the advantage now coming out debt free"". :dunno:
Yep. That's how it works. You can't vote on things based on what was fair for those in the past. If you don't change anything, things stay the same. Do you like how things are now as far as student debt is concerned?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 09:37:30 AM
Wacks, keep in mind that you have talked about having kids. You want them saddled with student debt? You want them choosing a degree based on ridic cost of tuition vs something lesser.No. I agree with this.
Post by: CNS on February 04, 2016, 09:40:53 AM
Well no. I would change the dependent and independent status view by the government as well. This is a major cluster. You're a dependent, if you're under the age of 24, not married, or haven't had a child. All the things they tell you not to do growing up. For some reason, dependent students get slapped on the hand for this. Less option for government loan support, no chance at grants, many turn to private loans, etc. We have for profit schools out there taking advantage of independent funds, because they don't know where to use their grant money and excess funds. It's a mumped up world, guys.But what do you say to the generation of ppl that are already buried in student debt? "Sorry, you weren't born late enough. They have the advantage now coming out debt free"". :dunno:
Yep. That's how it works. You can't vote on things based on what was fair for those in the past. If you don't change anything, things stay the same. Do you like how things are now as far as student debt is concerned?
You know what grants are? The govt giving you free college.
You want private loans better handled, vote for the guy talking about student debt and college cost being a problem. Not the guy telling you that banks and biz should be unregulated.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 09:47:21 AM
Dependent: Loan option amount: $5,500 Grants: 98% of time- Zero
Independent: Loan option amount: $9,500 Grants: $5,600
Those numbers increase every year you're in college for independents, but barely for dependents. I'm shocked this issue is never brought up.
Post by: CNS on February 04, 2016, 09:52:55 AM
The only ppl that benefit from the change in classification are those who have no savings for college and have no one else who has savings for their college.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 09:55:39 AM
The only ppl that benefit from the change in classification are those who have no savings for college and have no one else who has savings for their college.:frown: I should have taken that baseball scholarship, but cats!!!
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 04, 2016, 09:57:07 AM
Well no. I would change the dependent and independent status view by the government as well. This is a major cluster. You're a dependent, if you're under the age of 24, not married, or haven't had a child. All the things they tell you not to do growing up. For some reason, dependent students get slapped on the hand for this. Less option for government loan support, no chance at grants, many turn to private loans, etc. We have for profit schools out there taking advantage of independent funds, because they don't know where to use their grant money and excess funds. It's a mumped up world, guys.But what do you say to the generation of ppl that are already buried in student debt? "Sorry, you weren't born late enough. They have the advantage now coming out debt free"". :dunno:
Yep. That's how it works. You can't vote on things based on what was fair for those in the past. If you don't change anything, things stay the same. Do you like how things are now as far as student debt is concerned?
Your parents are supposed to cover half of your expenses to claim you as a dependent. At the very least, they should be giving you a large portion of their tax savings by making that claim if they aren't paying for your insurance or helping out with school. You could claim your exemption when you do your taxes, and the IRS would sort it out. Of course, if you value your relationship with your parents, that probably isn't the best idea.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 10:01:09 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 10:04:31 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 04, 2016, 10:05:49 AM
If your parents don't make a lot, it doesn't matter. You can ask for a parent plus loan, but it's under their name and a household of non-smart money making moves doesn't want to do that. Not only my family, but I saw it every day when I worked in the industry. Seeing kids cry because they realized they couldn't afford college was depressing as crap. Just because some (not all) had shitty parents that wanted to sit on their hands when it came to filing for student loans for their dependent children.
What I'm saying is that if the students aren't really dependent, they are free to file as independent. If their parents aren't really helping out in any way, they aren't legally allowed to claim them as dependent. The reason the grant and loan options are different is because by claiming you as a dependent, your parents are telling the government that they are paying for half of your legal expenses.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 10:08:33 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 04, 2016, 10:20:02 AM
Unless they're adopted or a foster kid, they're dependent no matter what if they're not married, don't have children, or not 24. You're right, i'm a little lost at what you're getting at.
They are only dependent if their parents are claiming them as dependent. To claim your child as dependent, you have to pay at least half of their living expenses.
Quote
Chapter 3 of IRS Publication 17 describes the criteria for a child to be considered a dependent on the parent’s income tax return. Generally, a child must be under age 19 or a full-time student for at least 5 months during the year to be considered a dependent for federal income tax purposes. The child must have lived with the taxpayer for more than half the year, notwithstanding any temporary absences for illness, education, business, vacation or military service. The child must not have provided more than half of his or her own support. (Note that scholarships do not count when determining how much support was provided by the child.) Multiple support agreements allow divorced parents to decide which parent can claim the child as a dependent.
To be considered a dependent for federal student aid purposes, the child must not be an independent student. A graduate student is automatically considered an independent student. (A student will also be considered independent if he or she is over age 24 as of December 31 of the award year, is married, has dependents other than a spouse, is a veteran or on active duty in the Armed Forces, or is an orphan or satisfies certain other criteria.) If a child is not an independent student, the parent must also have provided more than half of the child’s support. The definition of support for the FAFSA differs slightly than the definition used by the IRS. The child does not have to live with the parent to be considered a dependent on the FAFSA.
http://www.fastweb.com/financial-aid/articles/does-dependency-status-on-income-tax-returns-affect-financial-aid-eligibility
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 04, 2016, 10:20:55 AM
Free ed would be a great investment. I mean, those newly educated ppl get decent paying jobs and will pay taxes on higher earnings. This is a great idea, especially in the shadow of a bunch of boomers getting ready to start pulling social security.
Dude, someone close to me has a college degree from KU and makes like <$40k per year. And they are 30. rough ridin' 30!
I don't know because I haven't been following, and I think you and I have discussed this in the past, but if Bernie is for subsidized or free educations than are worthwhile then great. But if we're just going to be churning out more communications degrees then he's an idiot.
Post by: CNS on February 04, 2016, 10:23:30 AM
Free ed would be a great investment. I mean, those newly educated ppl get decent paying jobs and will pay taxes on higher earnings. This is a great idea, especially in the shadow of a bunch of boomers getting ready to start pulling social security.
Dude, someone close to me has a college degree from KU and makes like <$40k per year. And they are 30. rough ridin' 30!
I don't know because I haven't been following, and I think you and I have discussed this in the past, but if Bernie is for subsidized or free educations than are worthwhile then great. But if we're just going to be churning out more communications degrees then he's an idiot.
Yeah, we have discussed this and I am all for it being for certain degrees. However, there needs to be a few that don't rake it in that make the list. Social work and teachers for example. The rest should be things that aren't kinesiology, philosophy, etc.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 04, 2016, 10:25:28 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 04, 2016, 10:28:41 AM
Free ed would be a great investment. I mean, those newly educated ppl get decent paying jobs and will pay taxes on higher earnings. This is a great idea, especially in the shadow of a bunch of boomers getting ready to start pulling social security.
Dude, someone close to me has a college degree from KU and makes like <$40k per year. And they are 30. rough ridin' 30!
I don't know because I haven't been following, and I think you and I have discussed this in the past, but if Bernie is for subsidized or free educations than are worthwhile then great. But if we're just going to be churning out more communications degrees then he's an idiot.
Yeah, we have discussed this and I am all for it being for certain degrees. However, there needs to be a few that don't rake it in that make the list. Social work and teachers for example. The rest should be things that aren't kinesiology, philosophy, etc.
Ok. How does Bernie feel about this? I'd like to maybe sample the bern.
Post by: CNS on February 04, 2016, 10:30:33 AM
Free ed would be a great investment. I mean, those newly educated ppl get decent paying jobs and will pay taxes on higher earnings. This is a great idea, especially in the shadow of a bunch of boomers getting ready to start pulling social security.
Dude, someone close to me has a college degree from KU and makes like <$40k per year. And they are 30. rough ridin' 30!
I don't know because I haven't been following, and I think you and I have discussed this in the past, but if Bernie is for subsidized or free educations than are worthwhile then great. But if we're just going to be churning out more communications degrees then he's an idiot.
Yeah, we have discussed this and I am all for it being for certain degrees. However, there needs to be a few that don't rake it in that make the list. Social work and teachers for example. The rest should be things that aren't kinesiology, philosophy, etc.
Ok. How does Bernie feel about this? I'd like to maybe sample the bern.
Good question. I don't think I have heard detail at this level.
Also, your friend is an outlier by far, and most likely due to some other personal problem(felon?) or personal choice.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 04, 2016, 10:33:56 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 11:21:20 AM
For loans, they're still claimed dependent whether their parents claim them or not. Whether they're living by themselfs or not. Trust me. I did this job for way too long.Unless they're adopted or a foster kid, they're dependent no matter what if they're not married, don't have children, or not 24. You're right, i'm a little lost at what you're getting at.
They are only dependent if their parents are claiming them as dependent. To claim your child as dependent, you have to pay at least half of their living expenses.QuoteChapter 3 of IRS Publication 17 describes the criteria for a child to be considered a dependent on the parent’s income tax return. Generally, a child must be under age 19 or a full-time student for at least 5 months during the year to be considered a dependent for federal income tax purposes. The child must have lived with the taxpayer for more than half the year, notwithstanding any temporary absences for illness, education, business, vacation or military service. The child must not have provided more than half of his or her own support. (Note that scholarships do not count when determining how much support was provided by the child.) Multiple support agreements allow divorced parents to decide which parent can claim the child as a dependent.
To be considered a dependent for federal student aid purposes, the child must not be an independent student. A graduate student is automatically considered an independent student. (A student will also be considered independent if he or she is over age 24 as of December 31 of the award year, is married, has dependents other than a spouse, is a veteran or on active duty in the Armed Forces, or is an orphan or satisfies certain other criteria.) If a child is not an independent student, the parent must also have provided more than half of the child’s support. The definition of support for the FAFSA differs slightly than the definition used by the IRS. The child does not have to live with the parent to be considered a dependent on the FAFSA.
http://www.fastweb.com/financial-aid/articles/does-dependency-status-on-income-tax-returns-affect-financial-aid-eligibility
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 11:22:58 AM
Actually, looking a little bit further into it, it does look like it would be very hard to claim yourself as independent on the FAFSA if you aren't 24. That really should be changed. If you are independent with the IRS, you should be independent on the FAFSA.Cool, you got it. :thumbs:
Post by: DQ12 on February 04, 2016, 11:28:24 AM
:lol:Isidewith had him as my second best match.
So Jeb was first and Hillary third huh?
nope. It surprised me, but Bernie was 84% and Rand at 80%. :surprised:
I'm going to take it again today, but that was basically what I got the first time too.
83% Rand, 79% Bernie. :frown:
in your face, pinko.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 11:31:03 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 04, 2016, 12:01:44 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 12:13:50 PM
Comms degrees. What the hell do you do with one? I don't know if it's outlier but my example has bounced around from "career" to "career," working for car dealerships, advertising, for a city govt office. I don't even know what she's doing now, something software'ish with a sales side to it?I mean, it's similar to a business degree in a sense. I mean, when you break down a business, it's really about relationships and dealing with ppl. I've done sales (advertising via radio) and recruiting. I just finally found a good company that takes care of their ppl and compensates well for doing your job.
Post by: catastrophe on February 04, 2016, 01:32:33 PM
No matter what the major, it's the people who graduate college and THEN start thinking about jobs that end up in trouble.
Post by: steve dave on February 04, 2016, 01:35:22 PM
No matter what the major, it's the people who graduate college and THEN start thinking about jobs that end up in trouble.
DEBUNKED
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 04, 2016, 01:43:54 PM
It's a bit unrealistic to say you should limit federal loans or subsidized tuition to specific degrees. Most employers care 1000x more about work experience than degree field. Not to mention grad school. I know someone with a comm. degree making well over $200k as a lawyer.
No matter what the major, it's the people who graduate college and THEN start thinking about jobs that end up in trouble.
Yeah, I'm sure there are some people with terrible credit that would be just fine handling a mortgage, too.
Post by: catastrophe on February 04, 2016, 02:04:58 PM
Post by: michigancat on February 04, 2016, 02:46:44 PM
Post by: CNS on February 04, 2016, 02:54:49 PM
if you go to a good school, major doesn't matter
Most state schools probably don't count.
Post by: ShellShock on February 04, 2016, 02:57:37 PM
For all of those people that went to school to get useless degrees that don't pay squat, you probably made a bad decision and were dreaming your future, not being practical about it.
Post by: michigancat on February 04, 2016, 02:58:07 PM
if you go to a good school, major doesn't matter
Most state schools probably don't count.
True
Post by: CNS on February 04, 2016, 02:59:33 PM
If you actually think that the Bernie way of giving crap away for free will work, then you're an idiot.
For all of those people that went to school to get useless degrees that don't pay squat, you probably made a bad decision and were dreaming your future, not being practical about it.
Hot take.
Post by: michigancat on February 04, 2016, 02:59:43 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 03:00:46 PM
I absolutely dreamed my future and I wouldn't of had it any other way!If you actually think that the Bernie way of giving crap away for free will work, then you're an idiot.
For all of those people that went to school to get useless degrees that don't pay squat, you probably made a bad decision and were dreaming your future, not being practical about it.
Hot take.
Post by: CNS on February 04, 2016, 03:01:00 PM
Post by: CNS on February 04, 2016, 03:02:51 PM
If you actually think that the Bernie way of giving crap away for free will work, then you're an idiot.
For all of those people that went to school to get useless degrees that don't pay squat, you probably made a bad decision and were dreaming your future, not being practical about it.
Its such an expensive and drastic decision that will have more effect on your life than most other decisions, and you make that decision when you are 18 yrs old. You are acting like you have a 30y/o perspective as you graduate HS and enroll in college.
Post by: michigancat on February 04, 2016, 03:05:54 PM
That was my point about degrees for things like social work and teaching.
Even humanities degrees aren't necessarily worthless. I personally think philosophy in particular is dumb, but research and understanding of history, fine arts, language, anthropology, etc. is valuable to both the recipients and society.
Post by: sys on February 04, 2016, 03:08:12 PM
if you go to a good school, major doesn't matter
i don't think that's true at all.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 03:08:38 PM
That was my point about degrees for things like social work and teaching.Yeah, I get it. The system definitely needs a change for the better good. It's not just me, I talk to doctors every day who are drowned in debt. Will they make it back, absolutely. However, it takes them forever to get even. That's why a lot of them work around 6-7 days a week coming right out of school.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 03:09:41 PM
OMG! This!If you actually think that the Bernie way of giving crap away for free will work, then you're an idiot.
For all of those people that went to school to get useless degrees that don't pay squat, you probably made a bad decision and were dreaming your future, not being practical about it.
Its such an expensive and drastic decision that will have more effect on your life than most other decisions, and you make that decision when you are 18 yrs old. You are acting like you have a 30y/o perspective as you graduate HS and enroll in college.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 04, 2016, 03:13:58 PM
Also, just because a degree doesn't guarantee a good salary, that doesn't necessarily make it worthless.
It makes it a high-risk loan.
Post by: michigancat on February 04, 2016, 03:14:35 PM
if you go to a good school, major doesn't matter
i don't think that's true at all.
Maybe people that went to "elite" schools are just better connected in general? I only have anecdotal evidence.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 04, 2016, 03:15:22 PM
Post by: sys on February 04, 2016, 03:17:41 PM
if you go to a good school, major doesn't matter
i don't think that's true at all.
Maybe people that went to "elite" schools are just better connected in general? I only have anecdotal evidence.
are you making your anecdotal comparisons to persons that also elite schools, but chose typically more lucrative majors or to the general pop? are you controlling for postgraduate education?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 03:18:42 PM
That's the point tho. I'm sure many of you think i'm a dumbass on here, but I was even more of a dumbass at 18. When ppl were telling me, don't go into radio, you won't make any $. I ignored them. I was a very naive youngster, because I was chasing a dream. I was like: "That's fine. As long as i'm doing something that I love". Which I was, but when you can't pay your bills and you're working over 55 hours a week, there's a problem. You don't know the concept of what 30K gets you in this world at 18. They should do a better job of teaching this in HS.Also, just because a degree doesn't guarantee a good salary, that doesn't necessarily make it worthless.
It makes it a high-risk loan.
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 04, 2016, 03:25:01 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 03:25:39 PM
Post by: ShellShock on February 04, 2016, 04:02:16 PM
That was my point about degrees for things like social work and teaching.
Even humanities degrees aren't necessarily worthless. I personally think philosophy in particular is dumb, but research and understanding of history, fine arts, language, anthropology, etc. is valuable to both the recipients and society.
My point is that 50% of degrees are worthless and unnecessary. If you want to be an artist, by all means be an artist...but don't bitch about how much you're in debt and how little money you're making because of it.
Post by: ShellShock on February 04, 2016, 04:06:24 PM
If you actually think that the Bernie way of giving crap away for free will work, then you're an idiot.
For all of those people that went to school to get useless degrees that don't pay squat, you probably made a bad decision and were dreaming your future, not being practical about it.
Its such an expensive and drastic decision that will have more effect on your life than most other decisions, and you make that decision when you are 18 yrs old. You are acting like you have a 30y/o perspective as you graduate HS and enroll in college.
Did I want to do other things at a younger age than what I am currently doing? Absolutely! I wanted to do all sorts of things but realized that it would be stupid for me to spend upwards of $80k to get a worthless degree that doesn't pay itself back.
In fact, I did have a 30 y/o outlook when I entered college because I knew that I had to pick something that interested me enough an was important enough to sustain a life that I wanted to live. Money makes the world turn, so I found something that was useful and made money.
Post by: ShellShock on February 04, 2016, 04:09:16 PM
Maybe! Everyone has a learning curve tho. Mine was just a bit slower than others. I was book smart, but definitely not street smart at that age.
Everyone is entitled to their own learning curve and walkabout through life. What frustrates me is that now because of it, we have a whiny generation that believes that everyone else should help them out instead of helping themselves out. It's not my responsibility to pay more in taxes to fund things like free education, welfare, food stamps, etc. when I have my crap figured out and others don't. I have no problem paying taxes for legitimate things like roads, primary schools, law enforcement, etc. (Government funding is also a portion of that but I have different thoughts on that and it belongs in a different thread)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 04:19:22 PM
Post by: sys on February 04, 2016, 04:21:41 PM
playing the "whoa me" card.
book smart, but not street smart.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 04:24:29 PM
Post by: CNS on February 04, 2016, 04:26:05 PM
If you actually think that the Bernie way of giving crap away for free will work, then you're an idiot.
For all of those people that went to school to get useless degrees that don't pay squat, you probably made a bad decision and were dreaming your future, not being practical about it.
Its such an expensive and drastic decision that will have more effect on your life than most other decisions, and you make that decision when you are 18 yrs old. You are acting like you have a 30y/o perspective as you graduate HS and enroll in college.
Did I want to do other things at a younger age than what I am currently doing? Absolutely! I wanted to do all sorts of things but realized that it would be stupid for me to spend upwards of $80k to get a worthless degree that doesn't pay itself back.
In fact, I did have a 30 y/o outlook when I entered college because I knew that I had to pick something that interested me enough an was important enough to sustain a life that I wanted to live. Money makes the world turn, so I found something that was useful and made money.
Most kids don't know the life they want to live and what it accurately takes to live that life. $30k, $40k, $50k, are all just numbers to someone who has never lived off of it, especially with family.
Post by: mhkpasa on February 04, 2016, 04:27:56 PM
That was my point about degrees for things like social work and teaching.Yeah, I get it. The system definitely needs a change for the better good. It's not just me, I talk to doctors every day who are drowned in debt. Will they make it back, absolutely. However, it takes them forever to get even. That's why a lot of them work around 6-7 days a week coming right out of school.
You realize resident physicians don't make their own schedule, right?
Post by: CNS on February 04, 2016, 04:29:34 PM
Maybe! Everyone has a learning curve tho. Mine was just a bit slower than others. I was book smart, but definitely not street smart at that age.
Everyone is entitled to their own learning curve and walkabout through life. What frustrates me is that now because of it, we have a whiny generation that believes that everyone else should help them out instead of helping themselves out. It's not my responsibility to pay more in taxes to fund things like free education, welfare, food stamps, etc. when I have my crap figured out and others don't. I have no problem paying taxes for legitimate things like roads, primary schools, law enforcement, etc. (Government funding is also a portion of that but I have different thoughts on that and it belongs in a different thread)
One thing you need to understand is that the cost of school to this gen and the cost of school to your gen(unless you just grad'ed in the last 6-7 yrs) is much different. The cost increase of secondary ed has significantly out paced wages in the last 15 yrs or so, causing much more borrowing to get the same product I got at a lesser rate.
Whether it ever becomes free or not is one thing, but letting the cost continue to do what it is doing will kill our economy over time.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 04:29:57 PM
Post by: ShellShock on February 04, 2016, 04:43:05 PM
If you actually think that the Bernie way of giving crap away for free will work, then you're an idiot.
For all of those people that went to school to get useless degrees that don't pay squat, you probably made a bad decision and were dreaming your future, not being practical about it.
Its such an expensive and drastic decision that will have more effect on your life than most other decisions, and you make that decision when you are 18 yrs old. You are acting like you have a 30y/o perspective as you graduate HS and enroll in college.
Did I want to do other things at a younger age than what I am currently doing? Absolutely! I wanted to do all sorts of things but realized that it would be stupid for me to spend upwards of $80k to get a worthless degree that doesn't pay itself back.
In fact, I did have a 30 y/o outlook when I entered college because I knew that I had to pick something that interested me enough an was important enough to sustain a life that I wanted to live. Money makes the world turn, so I found something that was useful and made money.
Most kids don't know the life they want to live and what it accurately takes to live that life. $30k, $40k, $50k, are all just numbers to someone who has never lived off of it, especially with family.
I think this needs to be brought up in high school and kids need to be prepared to look at the world with a realistic viewpoint before making decisions like that.
Post by: ShellShock on February 04, 2016, 04:57:49 PM
Maybe! Everyone has a learning curve tho. Mine was just a bit slower than others. I was book smart, but definitely not street smart at that age.
Everyone is entitled to their own learning curve and walkabout through life. What frustrates me is that now because of it, we have a whiny generation that believes that everyone else should help them out instead of helping themselves out. It's not my responsibility to pay more in taxes to fund things like free education, welfare, food stamps, etc. when I have my crap figured out and others don't. I have no problem paying taxes for legitimate things like roads, primary schools, law enforcement, etc. (Government funding is also a portion of that but I have different thoughts on that and it belongs in a different thread)
One thing you need to understand is that the cost of school to this gen and the cost of school to your gen(unless you just grad'ed in the last 6-7 yrs) is much different. The cost increase of secondary ed has significantly out paced wages in the last 15 yrs or so, causing much more borrowing to get the same product I got at a lesser rate.
Whether it ever becomes free or not is one thing, but letting the cost continue to do what it is doing will kill our economy over time.
It is rising, you're right. It is not however rising at such an astronomical rate as some might believe.
Minimum Wage in 1980 = $3.10
Yearly Tuition Cost in 1980 = $2,200
Hours to work off Tuition at Minimum Wage = 710
Minimum Wage in 2015 = $7.95
Yearly Tuition Cost in 2015 = $7,600
Hours to work off Tuition at Minimum Wage = 976
*Data based off of average US Public 4 year college and average US minimum wage.
EDIT: This is purely tuition costs, not including cost of living, housing, food, etc.
Post by: catastrophe on February 04, 2016, 05:54:22 PM
Edit: ^not directed at anyone specifically. Just a general point.
Post by: mocat on February 04, 2016, 06:07:07 PM
playing the "whoa me" card.
book smart, but not street smart.
My god
Post by: steve dave on February 04, 2016, 06:23:34 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 04, 2016, 06:32:31 PM
eff off!playing the "whoa me" card.
book smart, but not street smart.
My god
Post by: Tobias on February 04, 2016, 06:34:36 PM
Post by: sys on February 04, 2016, 06:35:34 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2016, 08:30:59 PM
Guys...listen. Shut up.
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 05, 2016, 09:44:56 AM
i still can't believe a chode is a short fat penis.
That's because it's not. It's synonymous with "grundle," or "taint."
Post by: star seed 7 on February 05, 2016, 09:45:33 AM
Post by: mocat on February 05, 2016, 03:46:27 PM
i still can't believe a chode is a short fat penis.
That's because it's not. It's synonymous with "grundle," or "taint."
you're thinking of gooch
Post by: catastrophe on February 05, 2016, 03:52:12 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 05, 2016, 03:59:52 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 05, 2016, 04:11:54 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 05, 2016, 04:39:48 PM
Post by: sys on February 05, 2016, 05:03:44 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2016, 05:05:12 PM
Guys "choad" is a very Oakland Raiders'y Mexican-American football fan type word and believe you me I'm using it correctly. You guys and your high hills are probably wacky'ing it up.
That's a cholo, clown.
Post by: IPA4Me on February 05, 2016, 05:10:22 PM
i didn't think it meant anything. finding out it means a short, fat penis has rocked me to my core.Specifically, wider than it is long.
Post by: sys on February 05, 2016, 05:13:14 PM
i didn't think it meant anything. finding out it means a short, fat penis has rocked me to my core.Specifically, wider than it is long.
you're making this up.
Post by: IPA4Me on February 05, 2016, 05:14:26 PM
No sir.i didn't think it meant anything. finding out it means a short, fat penis has rocked me to my core.Specifically, wider than it is long.
you're making this up.
I wouldn't do that to you.
Post by: sys on February 05, 2016, 05:21:58 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 05, 2016, 05:28:45 PM
Post by: CNS on February 05, 2016, 05:43:19 PM
Post by: mocat on February 05, 2016, 05:59:12 PM
Post by: sys on February 05, 2016, 06:10:01 PM
I thought culo was butthole in Spanish slang
it's not slang. and it can mean either the bad person or the entire ass.
Post by: steve dave on February 05, 2016, 08:41:59 PM
Post by: steve dave on February 05, 2016, 08:44:10 PM
man, 4th grade me used to know a lot of what I thought were bad spanish words but I just can't remember them.
Post by: steve dave on February 05, 2016, 08:45:31 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 05, 2016, 08:54:51 PM
Post by: steve dave on February 05, 2016, 08:56:46 PM
pinche madre?
yes, it was pinche, not chinca. ty. sys, how filthy is that to someone who speaks the lingo?
Post by: wetwillie on February 05, 2016, 09:01:03 PM
Post by: steve dave on February 05, 2016, 09:03:25 PM
Buncha Punta's in this thread
:the thing where I flick the backhand of my fingers below my chin at you: (< sys? legit filth or something some transient ESL 4th grader made up?)
Post by: wetwillie on February 05, 2016, 09:05:30 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2016, 09:10:24 PM
not googling because I want the sys explanation, what is a pendejo (sp? obv)
Mexican slang for bad person and not the body part.
Maricon
The bad f word that rhymes with maggot
Post by: wetwillie on February 05, 2016, 09:12:36 PM
Post by: mocat on February 05, 2016, 09:13:53 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2016, 09:15:43 PM
Post by: Tobias on February 05, 2016, 09:16:31 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2016, 09:17:49 PM
No me Jodas
Didn't learn this one on the mean streets of GC.
I think its puta not punta
Correct. I learned this one the hard way.
Post by: steve dave on February 05, 2016, 09:17:57 PM
I don't know if you guys remember or not but when Yunel Escobar was with the Blue Jays he got suspended for inexplicably writing tu ere maricon on his eye black.
well, I have no idea why
Post by: mocat on February 05, 2016, 09:18:52 PM
Yeah i used to think that twins players name was nick bitch lolNo me Jodas
Didn't learn this one on the mean streets of GC.I think its puta not punta
Correct. I learned this one the hard way.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2016, 09:24:17 PM
a trip to puta cana is certainly a different experience
:lol:
So my puta story is a quick one. One summer while working at camp I had a cabin of 12 year old girls from a Hebrew school in Mexico City that I supervised. I had heard the word puta used before but I thought it was a friendly greeting. Well I introduced myself to this cabin by walking in and letting out a bellowing "hola putas!" They all stopped and one girl said "you just called us bitches!"
Oops.
Post by: Tobias on February 05, 2016, 09:25:21 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2016, 09:25:31 PM
Yeah i used to think that twins players name was nick bitch lolNo me Jodas
Didn't learn this one on the mean streets of GC.I think its puta not punta
Correct. I learned this one the hard way.
:ROFL:
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2016, 09:40:57 PM
I took French from 8th grade all the way to my junior year of college. GCHS had one French teacher and despite the fact I spent a lot of time with her, she hated my guts. We had this brown noser in class that she loved, he swore in French all of the time and she found it hilarious. Well once I got a C on a test and I was pissed. I muttered "ay cabrones" to myself, she said "WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY!" I sheepishly repeated "cabrones." She said "LET'S GO" and marched me out of the room. She took me down the hall to one of the Spanish teachers, he had a class at the time but she stormed in with me anyway and said "TELL HIM WHAT YOU JUST SAID IN MY CLASSROOM!" So I had to repeat it again, "cabrones." The Spanish teacher and half of the Spanish class started giggling, she immediately stormed out and I was just left standing there. The Spanish teacher said, "go back to class and don't do that again." I returned and the French teacher never spoke to me again. The Spanish teacher is the dad of a gE elite.
Post by: steve dave on February 05, 2016, 09:52:54 PM
donde esta la cerveza (sp?)
2 years of french and about 45 minutes of rosseta stone before we went:
(all phonetic obv)
jum apal steve dave
bonjour
bon swaa (for evening)
MOST CRITICAL TO KNOW: la'dicion c'vu'play
Post by: steve dave on February 05, 2016, 09:53:47 PM
Post by: Tobias on February 05, 2016, 09:54:59 PM
(all phonetic obv)
jum apal steve dave
omg
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2016, 10:00:11 PM
but seriously, they all speak english. but seriously. 'murica.
This was a frustrating revelation after I worked so hard to learn French. I went for two weeks for an immersion program and all my host family wanted to do was speak English. I did get to use French quite a bit in Quebec City and Montreal, they have no time to speak to Anglophones up there.
Post by: steve dave on February 05, 2016, 10:02:27 PM
Post by: mocat on February 05, 2016, 10:09:04 PM
Post by: sys on February 05, 2016, 10:11:58 PM
not googling because I want the sys explanation, what is a pendejo (sp? obv)
Mexican slang for bad person and not the body part.
yep. not exclusively mexican.
Post by: sys on February 05, 2016, 10:15:20 PM
pinche madre?
yes, it was pinche, not chinca. ty. sys, how filthy is that to someone who speaks the lingo?
not that strong. pinche is a modifer, like rough ridin' or damned. it just emphasizes the following word or phrase. it's a curse, but not a very strong one (but super common). it's pure mexican. like bloody is english. no one else uses it (maybe guatemalans).
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 05, 2016, 10:17:05 PM
i didn't think it meant anything. finding out it means a short, fat penis has rocked me to my core.Specifically, wider than it is long.
you're making this up.
Nah, it's not made up. @WonderMeal
Post by: sys on February 05, 2016, 10:18:07 PM
Maricon
The bad f word that rhymes with maggot
at least in mexico, it's not that strong. more like gay (maybe a little more negative than gay). i don't remember hearing it much in spain. it may be stronger there or maybe just not in general use.
Post by: mocat on February 05, 2016, 10:18:15 PM
Post by: sys on February 05, 2016, 10:20:45 PM
No me Jodas
don't eff me. (don't eff me over, don't eff with me). spanish. they hardly use joder in mexico.
Post by: wetwillie on February 05, 2016, 10:21:22 PM
Post by: sys on February 05, 2016, 10:23:41 PM
Buncha Punta's in this thread
:the thing where I flick the backhand of my fingers below my chin at you: (< sys? legit filth or something some transient ESL 4th grader made up?)
buncha puntas is spanglish. flicking your chin accomplishes nothing in mexico. they don't fall in for that latin/body language/talk with your hands stereotype. maybe means something somewhere.
Post by: steve dave on February 05, 2016, 10:25:09 PM
This has been a real treat
since I decided I was voting rubio this thread could have died, but like all sd threads IT LIVES!
Post by: sys on February 05, 2016, 10:26:39 PM
So my puta story is a quick one. One summer while working at camp I had a cabin of 12 year old girls from a Hebrew school in Mexico City that I supervised. I had heard the word puta used before but I thought it was a friendly greeting. Well I introduced myself to this cabin by walking in and letting out a bellowing "hola putas!" They all stopped and one girl said "you just called us bitches!"
omg.
Post by: steve dave on February 05, 2016, 10:27:34 PM
Buncha Punta's in this thread
:the thing where I flick the backhand of my fingers below my chin at you: (< sys? legit filth or something some transient ESL 4th grader made up?)
buncha puntas is spanglish. flicking your chin accomplishes nothing in mexico. they don't fall in for that latin/body language/talk with your hands stereotype. maybe means something somewhere.
hmmm, my guy told me in 4th grade it was basically like flipping someone off but with 4 hands. his intel has been reasonably confirmed as solid in this thread so this is worrisome.
Post by: IPA4Me on February 05, 2016, 10:27:55 PM
Oh my.a trip to puta cana is certainly a different experience
So my puta story is a quick one. One summer while working at camp I had a cabin of 12 year old girls from a Hebrew school in Mexico City that I supervised. I had heard the word puta used before but I thought it was a friendly greeting. Well I introduced myself to this cabin by walking in and letting out a bellowing "hola putas!" They all stopped and one girl said "you just called us bitches!"
Oops.
Post by: steve dave on February 05, 2016, 10:29:58 PM
Post by: Trim on February 05, 2016, 10:42:40 PM
summer camp cultural miscues are the best stories. if pete visited the pit he could tell you guys some jewish summer camp stuff that's pretty lol. I'm going to make him visit.
Oh crap, I can't remember the stories but I can pretty well remember our reactions. And the cab driver's.
Post by: Trim on February 05, 2016, 10:43:03 PM
Post by: sys on February 05, 2016, 10:44:43 PM
seems like one of them was "chinca cadre" or something. sys, is that similar to anything filthy?
i skipped over this too quickly.
it could have been pinche madre, but that's kind of a weird thing to say. more likely chinga tu madre. which is eff your mother. (chingar is mexican for joder). literally it means rape, but in mexico it means eff.
Post by: steve dave on February 05, 2016, 10:50:18 PM
Post by: sys on February 05, 2016, 10:52:22 PM
Post by: steve dave on February 05, 2016, 10:57:15 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 05, 2016, 11:29:38 PM
summer camp cultural miscues are the best stories. if pete visited the pit he could tell you guys some jewish summer camp stuff that's pretty lol. I'm going to make him visit.
fun fact, i attended this summer camp :eek:
Post by: star seed 7 on February 05, 2016, 11:31:45 PM
Post by: Tobias on February 05, 2016, 11:38:13 PM
Post by: Trim on February 06, 2016, 12:01:52 AM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 06, 2016, 12:08:17 AM
Post by: renocat on February 06, 2016, 08:35:22 AM
Post by: OK_Cat on February 06, 2016, 10:10:11 AM
The Spanish teacher is the dad of a gE elite.
I thought that particular gE elite was one person, but with this info now I feel like I was wrong. The more you know.
Post by: mocat on February 08, 2016, 11:23:17 AM
Maricon
The bad f word that rhymes with maggot
at least in mexico, it's not that strong. more like gay (maybe a little more negative than gay). i don't remember hearing it much in spain. it may be stronger there or maybe just not in general use.
is maricon a derivative of mariposa?
Post by: sys on February 08, 2016, 11:27:58 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 08, 2016, 11:39:30 AM
Post by: renocat on February 08, 2016, 03:25:33 PM
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