Mass Shooting in San Bernardino: 2 shooters and a guy with a warrant

[Emo EMAW]

You can be for gun control and also be anti-terrorism. I don't understand why dax thinks we can only talk about gun control when white people do this. Very weird stance by him.

So when the Planned Parenthood shooting occurred, the liberal narrative was all about how Dear was motivated by Christianity and the undercover PP videos (both claims dubious at best). When Muslims commit terrorism, the argument shifts to gun control. Interesting.

FWIW I think all religion is bad and gun control would prevent both Christians and Muslims from doing this crap

Credibility:  none.

[AbeFroman]

Religion will kill again

Source: looking outside the window

[Dugout DickStone]

I mean, gun control is coming.  Gun advocates can sit down at the table and be part of crafting something meaningful.  they have unique knowledge of the subject matter.

Or they can keep being insane about it and be left out of the discussion.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

You can be for gun control and also be anti-terrorism. I don't understand why dax thinks we can only talk about gun control when white people do this. Very weird stance by him.

So when the Planned Parenthood shooting occurred, the liberal narrative was all about how Dear was motivated by Christianity and the undercover PP videos (both claims dubious at best). When Muslims commit terrorism, the argument shifts to gun control. Interesting.

FWIW I think all religion is bad and gun control would prevent both Christians and Muslims from doing this crap

The French have really strict gun control. Gun control doesn't stop terrorism. Maybe mass confiscation might deter it a little, but if we're going to piss all over the Constitution by confiscating guns, we'd probably be more effective engaging in mass surveillance/incarceration of crazy people and religious fanatics.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I mean, gun control is coming.  Gun advocates can sit down at the table and be part of crafting something meaningful.  they have unique knowledge of the subject matter.

Or they can keep being insane about it and be left out of the discussion.

It's coming? Are you saying we don't already have it? Tell me any form of gun control, besides mass confiscation of guns, that would even remotely deter mass shootings and terrorism?

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

The root of the increase in mass shootings can be traced to facebook.

[michigancat]

I mean, gun control is coming.  Gun advocates can sit down at the table and be part of crafting something meaningful.  they have unique knowledge of the subject matter.

Or they can keep being insane about it and be left out of the discussion.

It's coming? Are you saying we don't already have it? Tell me any form of gun control, besides mass confiscation of guns, that would even remotely deter mass shootings and terrorism?

You're kind of proving his point. If the gun lobby can come up with possible solutions short of mass confiscation of guns instead of just throwing up their hands and saying "this is the price of freedom, nothing will work" every time it happens, they'll be less likely to have mass confiscation of guns when something really bad hits.

[Dugout DickStone]

I mean, gun control is coming.  Gun advocates can sit down at the table and be part of crafting something meaningful.  they have unique knowledge of the subject matter.

Or they can keep being insane about it and be left out of the discussion.

It's coming? Are you saying we don't already have it? Tell me any form of gun control, besides mass confiscation of guns, that would even remotely deter mass shootings and terrorism?

The "it probably wouldn't work anyway so let's not try it" is so mentally feeble I think you are better than that.

[AbeFroman]

Maybe I'm being hard on religion, but there are too many individuals in positions of influence, who regard themselves as "deeply religious people", that use their religion to create a culture of ignorance that leads to the less stable people going off and murdering those they have been told are the opposition. Until the influential people start preaching a more positive message (Pope Francis is a nice start), I see religion as a burden on society.

[CNS]

Won't happen, Abe.  Control is control and politicians need as much of that as they can get if they want to keep their job or get a better one.

Same with campaign money.  Nothing will change unless something extraordinarily radical happens.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I mean, gun control is coming.  Gun advocates can sit down at the table and be part of crafting something meaningful.  they have unique knowledge of the subject matter.

Or they can keep being insane about it and be left out of the discussion.

It's coming? Are you saying we don't already have it? Tell me any form of gun control, besides mass confiscation of guns, that would even remotely deter mass shootings and terrorism?

The "it probably wouldn't work anyway so let's not try it" is so mentally feeble I think you are better than that.

You may be misunderstanding me. I think that mass-confiscation would probably decrease gun-related deaths, I just don't that's worth mass confiscation of guns. I honestly can't think of other gun control measures that would do much of anything besides inconvenience law-abiding gun owners. I asked you for suggestions.

[AbeFroman]

You can be for gun control and also be anti-terrorism. I don't understand why dax thinks we can only talk about gun control when white people do this. Very weird stance by him.

So when the Planned Parenthood shooting occurred, the liberal narrative was all about how Dear was motivated by Christianity and the undercover PP videos (both claims dubious at best). When Muslims commit terrorism, the argument shifts to gun control. Interesting.

FWIW I think all religion is bad and gun control would prevent both Christians and Muslims from doing this crap

The French have really strict gun control. Gun control doesn't stop terrorism. Maybe mass confiscation might deter it a little, but if we're going to piss all over the Constitution by confiscating guns, we'd probably be more effective engaging in mass surveillance/incarceration of crazy people and religious fanatics.

Agreed, we need to undo the damage done by Reagan in the 1980s to mental health.

I think you can allow people to have their hand guns, and not allow them to have their assault rifles, and I wouldn't consider that pissing on the constitution. When the constitution was written they didn't have guns that shoot 700 rounds per minute.

Also the French don't have 355 mass shooting incidents. crap will still happen, but having say, 30 mass shooting incidents per year vs. the 355 we are currently at would be a pretty amazing improvement.

[slackcat]

The root of the increase in mass shootings can be traced to facebook.

qft

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Maybe I'm being hard on religion, but there are too many individuals in positions of influence, who regard themselves as "deeply religious people", that use their religion to create a culture of ignorance that leads to the less stable people going off and murdering those they have been told are the opposition. Until the influential people start preaching a more positive message (Pope Francis is a nice start), I see religion as a burden on society.

I agree that religion is the problem in many cases, but it is the shooter's problem, and it's usually Islam. To suggest that Christianity has "created a culture of ignorance," and that is what's to blame for shooting like this, is frankly bizarre.

[420seriouscat69]

We should hire sports athletes to run the country. Ppl would listen to Lebron. #WWLD

[chuckjames]

I mean, gun control is coming.  Gun advocates can sit down at the table and be part of crafting something meaningful.  they have unique knowledge of the subject matter.

Or they can keep being insane about it and be left out of the discussion.

It's coming? Are you saying we don't already have it? Tell me any form of gun control, besides mass confiscation of guns, that would even remotely deter mass shootings and terrorism?

The "it probably wouldn't work anyway so let's not try it" is so mentally feeble I think you are better than that.

You may be misunderstanding me. I think that mass-confiscation would probably decrease gun-related deaths, I just don't that's worth mass confiscation of guns. I honestly can't think of other gun control measures that would do much of anything besides inconvenience law-abiding gun owners. I asked you for suggestions.

Just wondering is there like any amount of gun deaths that would make you trade in your freedom for security? I mean we basically did that with the 4th amendment after 9/11.

[Dugout DickStone]

I mean, gun control is coming.  Gun advocates can sit down at the table and be part of crafting something meaningful.  they have unique knowledge of the subject matter.

Or they can keep being insane about it and be left out of the discussion.

It's coming? Are you saying we don't already have it? Tell me any form of gun control, besides mass confiscation of guns, that would even remotely deter mass shootings and terrorism?

The "it probably wouldn't work anyway so let's not try it" is so mentally feeble I think you are better than that.

You may be misunderstanding me. I think that mass-confiscation would probably decrease gun-related deaths, I just don't that's worth mass confiscation of guns. I honestly can't think of other gun control measures that would do much of anything besides inconvenience law-abiding gun owners. I asked you for suggestions.

any number of proposals are out there.  I think limiting capacity of what is available, background checks and some commonsense type measures.

I know you have a talking point for each proposal so save it.  People are burying their family members everyday in this country because some nutball goes off with an AR.  pounding on the table yelling that we don't know how to stop it is insulting to anyone with a brain.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

You can be for gun control and also be anti-terrorism. I don't understand why dax thinks we can only talk about gun control when white people do this. Very weird stance by him.

So when the Planned Parenthood shooting occurred, the liberal narrative was all about how Dear was motivated by Christianity and the undercover PP videos (both claims dubious at best). When Muslims commit terrorism, the argument shifts to gun control. Interesting.

FWIW I think all religion is bad and gun control would prevent both Christians and Muslims from doing this crap

The French have really strict gun control. Gun control doesn't stop terrorism. Maybe mass confiscation might deter it a little, but if we're going to piss all over the Constitution by confiscating guns, we'd probably be more effective engaging in mass surveillance/incarceration of crazy people and religious fanatics.

Agreed, we need to undo the damage done by Reagan in the 1980s to mental health.

I think you can allow people to have their hand guns, and not allow them to have their assault rifles, and I wouldn't consider that pissing on the constitution. When the constitution was written they didn't have guns that shoot 700 rounds per minute.

You're throwing the term "assualt rifle" around like that has any actualy meaning. It appears that you are referring to fully automatic weapons?

[8manpick]

So we have half the murders we used to, but more mass murders and more widespread access to the coverage of the events, leading us to feel more fearful than ever. The 'randomness' of the mass shootings is terrifying because anyone can be a victim whereas the vast majority of other murders are domestic or from an existing dispute/argument.  I really think that the extended news coverage and the chance to become infamous drives so many of these crazies to go out in a blaze of 'glory'.

[michigancat]

I mean, gun control is coming.  Gun advocates can sit down at the table and be part of crafting something meaningful.  they have unique knowledge of the subject matter.

Or they can keep being insane about it and be left out of the discussion.

It's coming? Are you saying we don't already have it? Tell me any form of gun control, besides mass confiscation of guns, that would even remotely deter mass shootings and terrorism?

The "it probably wouldn't work anyway so let's not try it" is so mentally feeble I think you are better than that.

You may be misunderstanding me. I think that mass-confiscation would probably decrease gun-related deaths, I just don't that's worth mass confiscation of guns. I honestly can't think of other gun control measures that would do much of anything besides inconvenience law-abiding gun owners. I asked you for suggestions.

Just wondering is there like any amount of gun deaths that would make you trade in your freedom for security? I mean we basically did that with the 4th amendment after 9/11.

4th amendment doesn't have a huge lobby that could lose a lot of money if it's changed/ignored.

[sonofdaxjones]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

They do their best to avoid saying it (as usual), but they were radicalized Islamic Terrorists.    They'll fall all over themselves to blame it on the workplace, but they clearly had this all planned out and were just waiting for their moment.

[AbeFroman]

You're throwing the term "assualt rifle" around like that has any actualy meaning. It appears that you are referring to fully automatic weapons?

Yes. No need for them IMO

[michigancat]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

They do their best to avoid saying it (as usual), but they were radicalized Islamic Terrorists.    They'll fall all over themselves to blame it on the workplace, but they clearly had this all planned out and were just waiting for their moment.

first sentence mentions international terrorism, second sentence says the guy was "radicalized"

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

You're throwing the term "assualt rifle" around like that has any actualy meaning. It appears that you are referring to fully automatic weapons?

Yes. No need for them IMO

How many of these mass shootings have involved fully automatic weapons?

[Dugout DickStone]

So we have half the murders we used to, but more mass murders and more widespread access to the coverage of the events, leading us to feel more fearful than ever. The 'randomness' of the mass shootings is terrifying because anyone can be a victim whereas the vast majority of other murders are domestic or from an existing dispute/argument.  I really think that the extended news coverage and the chance to become infamous drives so many of these crazies to go out in a blaze of 'glory'.

No doubt this is true about the media.  If these animals really wore goPros then that is just further proof