2015-16 NonCats Hoops thread

[pissclams]

I haven't forgotten 101-96

Very very comparable. It's tougher to enjoy a game like that when your team is involved in though. I think this is has replaced the Kevin Durant game at OSU as the best conference game in Big 8/12 history.

The OSU-UT game is a great comp. Hield was even better than Durant was that night. It's too bad that KU didn't have someone play the Boggan role to go shot for shot with him in OT.

fortunately for KU, they're a more complete team than OU.  and despite the officials calling an OU-friendly game in AFH, and the conference's best player having the best game of his career, OU still wasn't good enough to win. 

OU is a great player and a couple good ones, but they proved last night that they don't belong in the same conversation as the best teams in college basketball, because those teams win those games last night.  in the end, the only thing OU accomplished was adding an L to their loss column.

[kso_FAN]

Goddamnit Lon with the overcoachy time out

what was crazy that the previous possession when he'd called a timeout they had trouble inbounding from the exact same spot. jeez.

Hield had to stand bow legged to inbound because his shoes are longer than the width of the entire sideline

Yep.



Lon chose to call the timeout that led to the inbound at this point. Its nearly impossible to enforce the 3 foot rule from that spot in that situation.

[mocat]

yeah that was OU's best possible game. Hawks by 17 in Norman in february

[michigancat]

Goddamnit Lon with the overcoachy time out

what was crazy that the previous possession when he'd called a timeout they had trouble inbounding from the exact same spot. jeez.

Hield had to stand bow legged to inbound because his shoes are longer than the width of the entire sideline

Yep.



Lon chose to call the timeout that led to the inbound at this point. Its nearly impossible to enforce the 3 foot rule from that spot in that situation.

They need those penalty lines like some of those old gyms I played JV basketball on.

[420seriouscat69]

yeah that was OU's best possible game. Hawks by 17 in Norman in february

This is the dumbest post I've seen on this blog today. 

[star seed 7]

Yeah omg sooooooooooooooooo dumb

[kso_FAN]

People often overreact to one game.

I still see plenty of flaws for KU. Namely a group that's probably better playing Hoiball with a coach that doesn't believe in playing that way. This KU team could be more ripe for road losses than any Self team I can remember.

[Skipper44]

Watching Lattin and his chicken legs holding his own in the lane at AFH was very disorienting

[MakeItRain]

Goddamnit Lon with the overcoachy time out

what was crazy that the previous possession when he'd called a timeout they had trouble inbounding from the exact same spot. jeez.

Hield had to stand bow legged to inbound because his shoes are longer than the width of the entire sideline

Yep.



Lon chose to call the timeout that led to the inbound at this point. Its nearly impossible to enforce the 3 foot rule from that spot in that situation.

They need those penalty lines like some of those old gyms I played JV basketball on.

Or the referee could have just called the clear violation there, that sideline is a continuous plane. The first one is just a warning so it's not like it would have cost KU a T or anything.

[kso_FAN]

Or the referee could have just called the clear violation there, that sideline is a continuous plane. The first one is just a warning so it's not like it would have cost KU a T or anything.

Oh, that's true.

But I'm assuming a coach who has played, coached, and watched countless hours of KU film in Allen Field House will know that in certain situations the refs will get caught up in the moment and allow this to happen, especially on that part of the sideline by the scorers table.

Also, when I say KU is flawed above, I also will say there are clearly a Top 5 team with tons of talent. Its just weird to see them not have a dominant big. Ellis is very good, but undersized and none of the young guys are showing any back to the basket post skills that Self teams usually have. Still, after shooting only 35% on 2s in the 1st half and starting the 2nd half slow, KU picked it up as Ellis started finishing more shots and they were able to get out in transition and run. Also, after having only 3 FT attempts late in the 2nd half, they attacked and got to the line much more down the stretch and in the OTs.

[michigancat]

Or the referee could have just called the clear violation there, that sideline is a continuous plane. The first one is just a warning so it's not like it would have cost KU a T or anything.

Oh, that's true.

But I'm assuming a coach who has played, coached, and watched countless hours of KU film in Allen Field House will know that in certain situations the refs will get caught up in the moment and allow this to happen, especially on that part of the sideline by the scorers table.

Also, when I say KU is flawed above, I also will say there are clearly a Top 5 team with tons of talent. Its just weird to see them not have a dominant big. Ellis is very good, but undersized and none of the young guys are showing any back to the basket post skills that Self teams usually have. Still, after shooting only 35% on 2s in the 1st half and starting the 2nd half slow, KU picked it up as Ellis started finishing more shots and they were able to get out in transition and run. Also, after having only 3 FT attempts late in the 2nd half, they attacked and got to the line much more down the stretch and in the OTs.

Like every team, they're better when they play fast.

[cfbandyman]

Watching Lattin and his chicken legs holding his own in the lane at AFH was very disorienting

Yeah, it just really shows how non intimidating Ellis-Traylor can be. Like, Ellis had one of his better games and Traylor had some pretty good blocks, but they are no Kahn/Aldrich/Withey/Morris Twins. Fully realize Kahn/Aldrich/Withey are centers but those guys are nightmares for most teams down low, and ku just doesn't have what I would call a nightmares down low.

Really, what was disorienting was seeing OU very often simply out running and using great passing down low to make ku's defense look pretty ineffective. I am not above saying OU played a little better in that game in stretches, ku simply was more consistent overall. Being gassed and expecting even more out of Hield ultimately led to OU losing.

Overall, was glad that it was a great game and worthy of 1 v 2.

[MakeItRain]

Or the referee could have just called the clear violation there, that sideline is a continuous plane. The first one is just a warning so it's not like it would have cost KU a T or anything.

Oh, that's true.

But I'm assuming a coach who has played, coached, and watched countless hours of KU film in Allen Field House will know that in certain situations the refs will get caught up in the moment and allow this to happen, especially on that part of the sideline by the scorers table.

Also, when I say KU is flawed above, I also will say there are clearly a Top 5 team with tons of talent. Its just weird to see them not have a dominant big. Ellis is very good, but undersized and none of the young guys are showing any back to the basket post skills that Self teams usually have. Still, after shooting only 35% on 2s in the 1st half and starting the 2nd half slow, KU picked it up as Ellis started finishing more shots and they were able to get out in transition and run. Also, after having only 3 FT attempts late in the 2nd half, they attacked and got to the line much more down the stretch and in the OTs.

That was the first time I watched them this year, what's the deal with Diallo?

[mocat]

Or the referee could have just called the clear violation there, that sideline is a continuous plane. The first one is just a warning so it's not like it would have cost KU a T or anything.

Oh, that's true.

But I'm assuming a coach who has played, coached, and watched countless hours of KU film in Allen Field House will know that in certain situations the refs will get caught up in the moment and allow this to happen, especially on that part of the sideline by the scorers table.

Also, when I say KU is flawed above, I also will say there are clearly a Top 5 team with tons of talent. Its just weird to see them not have a dominant big. Ellis is very good, but undersized and none of the young guys are showing any back to the basket post skills that Self teams usually have. Still, after shooting only 35% on 2s in the 1st half and starting the 2nd half slow, KU picked it up as Ellis started finishing more shots and they were able to get out in transition and run. Also, after having only 3 FT attempts late in the 2nd half, they attacked and got to the line much more down the stretch and in the OTs.

That was the first time I watched them this year, what's the deal with Diallo?

he didn't get to play at all for like the first 10 games or whatever so he's pretty raw/behind

[pissclams]

he missed their first 5 games but has been with the team for over a month

[pissclams]

i don't think there's a 3 foot rule fwiw

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

They should have to move the scorers table back. That is ridiculous and also not safe. This isn't arena football.

[pissclams]

They should have to move the scorers table back. That is ridiculous and also not safe. This isn't arena football.

or just move the inbound play to the closest place to the original spot that is most favorable to the visitor team

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I wasn't all that impressed with either team. Neither played very good defense, neither had any post presence, neither has any real next level talent. Unless cbb is just really shitty this year, I can't believe those are the two best teams.

The best player on the floor was Hield, and he couldn't shake Frank Mason when he needed to.

It was a bunch of midget point guards, tweener wings and stretch 4's taking uncontested layups and set shots and turning the ball over.

[star seed 7]

KU doesn't care one bit about player safety. Remember all the concussions the long jump path caused?

[MakeItRain]

Or the referee could have just called the clear violation there, that sideline is a continuous plane. The first one is just a warning so it's not like it would have cost KU a T or anything.

Oh, that's true.

But I'm assuming a coach who has played, coached, and watched countless hours of KU film in Allen Field House will know that in certain situations the refs will get caught up in the moment and allow this to happen, especially on that part of the sideline by the scorers table.

Also, when I say KU is flawed above, I also will say there are clearly a Top 5 team with tons of talent. Its just weird to see them not have a dominant big. Ellis is very good, but undersized and none of the young guys are showing any back to the basket post skills that Self teams usually have. Still, after shooting only 35% on 2s in the 1st half and starting the 2nd half slow, KU picked it up as Ellis started finishing more shots and they were able to get out in transition and run. Also, after having only 3 FT attempts late in the 2nd half, they attacked and got to the line much more down the stretch and in the OTs.

That was the first time I watched them this year, what's the deal with Diallo?

he didn't get to play at all for like the first 10 games or whatever so he's pretty raw/behind

I think he was just suspended from games but he's been with the team and practicing since arriving on campus.

[Skipper44]

Or the referee could have just called the clear violation there, that sideline is a continuous plane. The first one is just a warning so it's not like it would have cost KU a T or anything.

Oh, that's true.

But I'm assuming a coach who has played, coached, and watched countless hours of KU film in Allen Field House will know that in certain situations the refs will get caught up in the moment and allow this to happen, especially on that part of the sideline by the scorers table.

Also, when I say KU is flawed above, I also will say there are clearly a Top 5 team with tons of talent. Its just weird to see them not have a dominant big. Ellis is very good, but undersized and none of the young guys are showing any back to the basket post skills that Self teams usually have. Still, after shooting only 35% on 2s in the 1st half and starting the 2nd half slow, KU picked it up as Ellis started finishing more shots and they were able to get out in transition and run. Also, after having only 3 FT attempts late in the 2nd half, they attacked and got to the line much more down the stretch and in the OTs.

That was the first time I watched them this year, what's the deal with Diallo?

he didn't get to play at all for like the first 10 games or whatever so he's pretty raw/behind

Bragg hasn't done much either.  I enjoy the Massa Self stuff as much as anybody but I am still suprised Self has the #6 RSCI in Diallo and the #22 in Bragg and neither can break take minutes away from the 3 headed JAG of Traylor, Lucas & Mickelson. 

[MakeItRain]

i don't think there's a 3 foot rule fwiw

I think you're right, but you definitely can't break the plane off the sideline as a defender.

[pissclams]

Or the referee could have just called the clear violation there, that sideline is a continuous plane. The first one is just a warning so it's not like it would have cost KU a T or anything.

Oh, that's true.

But I'm assuming a coach who has played, coached, and watched countless hours of KU film in Allen Field House will know that in certain situations the refs will get caught up in the moment and allow this to happen, especially on that part of the sideline by the scorers table.

Also, when I say KU is flawed above, I also will say there are clearly a Top 5 team with tons of talent. Its just weird to see them not have a dominant big. Ellis is very good, but undersized and none of the young guys are showing any back to the basket post skills that Self teams usually have. Still, after shooting only 35% on 2s in the 1st half and starting the 2nd half slow, KU picked it up as Ellis started finishing more shots and they were able to get out in transition and run. Also, after having only 3 FT attempts late in the 2nd half, they attacked and got to the line much more down the stretch and in the OTs.

That was the first time I watched them this year, what's the deal with Diallo?

he didn't get to play at all for like the first 10 games or whatever so he's pretty raw/behind

I think he was just suspended from games but he's been with the team and practicing since arriving on campus.

no, he wasn't eligible until cleared.  ineligible players can't participate in team activities.
his lack of minutes is weird though, considering selfs options.

[mocat]

in general i was surprised how little both coaches subbed people in and out in the last 20-25 minutes of game time