I think the Missouri football players just went on strike

[Trim]

I understand what you're saying trim, and I think you're probably right in this instance. but it's a little silly to defer to agrieved individuals as the only authority on their grievances.

should we defer to miffed small business owners who claim that they're being persecuted based on religious freedom?

Nah.  I'm sure those small business owners in some part believe they're being persecuted by having to do business with gay people.  I can think that's a little wacky, but whatever.

When seemingly all black people at or who've been at mizzou (shout mizzemaw kim english) say - some louder than others - it's mumped up for black people at mizzou, I'm not gonna be swayed by clay travis or fake sugar dick saying it's not.

[sonofdaxjones]

I understand what you're saying trim, and I think you're probably right in this instance. but it's a little silly to defer to agrieved individuals as the only authority on their grievances.

should we defer to miffed small business owners who claim that they're being persecuted based on religious freedom?

Nah.  I'm sure those small business owners in some part believe they're being persecuted by having to do business with gay people.  I can think that's a little wacky, but whatever.

When seemingly all black people at or who've been at mizzou (shout mizzemaw kim english) say - some louder than others - it's mumped up for black people at mizzou, I'm not gonna be swayed by clay travis or fake sugar dick saying it's not.

When you have staunch prog-liberal types in academia openly questioning the hyper PC climate that exists on college campuses these days . . .it's perfectly applicable to question the veracity of these situations.   In addition, you have to account for the anarchist element that exist on nearly every college campus who is going to join in out out of the sheer enjoyment of causing disruption and stick it to the man regardless of whether they have any real grievance or not.   To deny it exists means that you've probably never been to college, or went to some place like Liberty or BYU. 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

 I too believe that things are truly mumped up for black students at Mizzou because I have been there.

That doesn't mean we should not laugh at and denigrate the absurd behavior, reactions, demands and generally immature and unreasonable behavior of this group of people. The damage done to the public discourse on this matter and others so far outweighs whatever trivial progess and point they were trying to make. The only way to combat this regression is to marginalize and ignore it,  and attempt to bring the discourse back up.

Anybody who condones or supports this conduct isn't really searching for a solution, imho.

[steve dave]

That's a pretty reasonable FSD post.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tim-wolfe-homecoming-parade_56402cc8e4b0307f2cadea10

I hadn't seen this until just now. The parade thing that really ramped up everything

It seems to me that the activists created the confrontation, no? So if you're rolling down the street in a parade and a group of angry activists jumps into the parade route and blocks your car, what's the protocol? Is there like a standard respectful waiting period for them to have their tantrum, or do you just have to sit there for as long as it takes until the police arrive?

Is this the way to have a respectful dialogue? Jump in front of someone's car during a parade?

[8manpick]

I too believe that things are truly mumped up for black students at Mizzou because I have been there.

That doesn't mean we should not laugh at and denigrate the absurd behavior, reactions, demands and generally immature and unreasonable behavior of this group of people. The damage done to the public discourse on this matter and others so far outweighs whatever trivial progess and point they were trying to make. The only way to combat this regression is to marginalize and ignore it,  and attempt to bring the discourse back up.

Anybody who condones or supports this conduct isn't really searching for a solution, imho.

This

[8manpick]

Can't believe I just did that

[star seed 7]

Should have ran those agitators over, right ksuw? That'll teach them to know their place

[Trim]

That's a pretty reasonable FSD post.

Yep.  I don't agree with quite all of it, but making it clear he's not a mumped-up for black people denier makes all the rest much more readable.  That president should've said "I too believe that things are truly mumped up for black students at Mizzou and I know because I'm here.  Let's meet up ASAP and go through your stuff and figure out what needs to be done about it and get it done."

[sonofdaxjones]

Should have ran those agitators over, right ksuw? That'll teach them to know their place

I don't think that he's saying that at all . . . but liblogic

[sonofdaxjones]

That's a pretty reasonable FSD post.

Yep.  I don't agree with quite all of it, but making it clear he's not a mumped-up for black people denier makes all the rest much more readable.  That president should've said "I too believe that things are truly mumped up for black students at Mizzou and I know because I'm here.  Let's meet up ASAP and go through your stuff and figure out what needs to be done about it and get it done."

While I think that's probably true, but as I've pointed out many times, there seemed to be a rather expansive infrastructure at MU for those kinds of activities.   What were those people up to?  Were they being stopped from doing their job?  Or, we they failing to their job?  If so, why aren't they being forced to resign as well?

[Trim]

That's a pretty reasonable FSD post.

Yep.  I don't agree with quite all of it, but making it clear he's not a mumped-up for black people denier makes all the rest much more readable.  That president should've said "I too believe that things are truly mumped up for black students at Mizzou and I know because I'm here.  Let's meet up ASAP and go through your stuff and figure out what needs to be done about it and get it done."

Or alternatively "I frankly don't know what black students experience at mizzou.  Let's meet up ASAP so I can be informed and then we'll figure out what needs to be done about it and get it done."

[Trim]

That's a pretty reasonable FSD post.

Yep.  I don't agree with quite all of it, but making it clear he's not a mumped-up for black people denier makes all the rest much more readable.  That president should've said "I too believe that things are truly mumped up for black students at Mizzou and I know because I'm here.  Let's meet up ASAP and go through your stuff and figure out what needs to be done about it and get it done."

While I think that's probably true, but as I've pointed out many times, there seemed to be a rather expansive infrastructure at MU for those kinds of activities.   What were those people up to?  Were they being stopped from doing their job?  Or, we they failing to their job?  If so, why aren't they being forced to resign as well?

Maybe.  That would've been something for the president to dig into once he was fully informed.

[star seed 7]

Seems like the board investigated that dax, and felt the president and chancellor were responsible

[sys]

Seems like the board investigated that dax, and felt the president and chancellor were responsible

prolly more like the the president had a lot of enemies and everyone just decided that getting rid of him would be better for pr than keeping him and they kinda wanted to get rid of him anyways, so eff it, he gone.

[star seed 7]

Sounds like an ineffective University president, sys

[sonofdaxjones]

Seems like the board investigated that dax, and felt the president and chancellor were responsible

link

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

http://cjonline.com/news/2015-11-11/frustration-anger-toward-ku-administration-mark-forum-race

KU's way of getting rid of a non-football-friendly president?

[star seed 7]

You need a link that both the president and chancellor were fired after board meetings?

[michigancat]

I too believe that things are truly mumped up for black students at Mizzou because I have been there.

That doesn't mean we should not laugh at and denigrate the absurd behavior, reactions, demands and generally immature and unreasonable behavior of this group of people. The damage done to the public discourse on this matter and others so far outweighs whatever trivial progess and point they were trying to make. The only way to combat this regression is to marginalize and ignore it,  and attempt to bring the discourse back up.

Anybody who condones or supports this conduct isn't really searching for a solution, imho.

This

I would argue that without "immature and unreasonable behavior", nothing would have changed, and people damn sure wouldn't have been forced to think about what life is like for black students at Mizzou and across the country. People just don't give a crap unless you do something similar to what they did at MU. So while I think their interactions with the media have been wrong and just plain bizarre, I commend them for actually making change and actually making people think about race relations on college campuses.

[sonofdaxjones]

You need a link that both the president and chancellor were fired after board meetings?

I discussed some very specific things . . . but, liblogic.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I too believe that things are truly mumped up for black students at Mizzou because I have been there.

That doesn't mean we should not laugh at and denigrate the absurd behavior, reactions, demands and generally immature and unreasonable behavior of this group of people. The damage done to the public discourse on this matter and others so far outweighs whatever trivial progess and point they were trying to make. The only way to combat this regression is to marginalize and ignore it,  and attempt to bring the discourse back up.

Anybody who condones or supports this conduct isn't really searching for a solution, imho.

This

I would argue that without "immature and unreasonable behavior", nothing would have changed, and people damn sure wouldn't have been forced to think about what life is like for black students at Mizzou and across the country. People just don't give a crap unless you do something similar to what they did at MU. So while I think their interactions with the media have been wrong and just plain bizarre, I commend them for actually making change and actually making people think about race relations on college campuses.

Has anything changed?

[michigancat]

I too believe that things are truly mumped up for black students at Mizzou because I have been there.

That doesn't mean we should not laugh at and denigrate the absurd behavior, reactions, demands and generally immature and unreasonable behavior of this group of people. The damage done to the public discourse on this matter and others so far outweighs whatever trivial progess and point they were trying to make. The only way to combat this regression is to marginalize and ignore it,  and attempt to bring the discourse back up.

Anybody who condones or supports this conduct isn't really searching for a solution, imho.

This

I would argue that without "immature and unreasonable behavior", nothing would have changed, and people damn sure wouldn't have been forced to think about what life is like for black students at Mizzou and across the country. People just don't give a crap unless you do something similar to what they did at MU. So while I think their interactions with the media have been wrong and just plain bizarre, I commend them for actually making change and actually making people think about race relations on college campuses.

Has anything changed?

Yeah they got the president to resign. Give me a sec and I'll dig up a link.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I too believe that things are truly mumped up for black students at Mizzou because I have been there.

That doesn't mean we should not laugh at and denigrate the absurd behavior, reactions, demands and generally immature and unreasonable behavior of this group of people. The damage done to the public discourse on this matter and others so far outweighs whatever trivial progess and point they were trying to make. The only way to combat this regression is to marginalize and ignore it,  and attempt to bring the discourse back up.

Anybody who condones or supports this conduct isn't really searching for a solution, imho.

This

I would argue that without "immature and unreasonable behavior", nothing would have changed, and people damn sure wouldn't have been forced to think about what life is like for black students at Mizzou and across the country. People just don't give a crap unless you do something similar to what they did at MU. So while I think their interactions with the media have been wrong and just plain bizarre, I commend them for actually making change and actually making people think about race relations on college campuses.

Has anything changed?

Yeah they got the president to resign. Give me a sec and I'll dig up a link.

How does that change anything for black people on campus at Mizzou, though?

[8manpick]

I too believe that things are truly mumped up for black students at Mizzou because I have been there.

That doesn't mean we should not laugh at and denigrate the absurd behavior, reactions, demands and generally immature and unreasonable behavior of this group of people. The damage done to the public discourse on this matter and others so far outweighs whatever trivial progess and point they were trying to make. The only way to combat this regression is to marginalize and ignore it,  and attempt to bring the discourse back up.

Anybody who condones or supports this conduct isn't really searching for a solution, imho.

This

I would argue that without "immature and unreasonable behavior", nothing would have changed, and people damn sure wouldn't have been forced to think about what life is like for black students at Mizzou and across the country. People just don't give a crap unless you do something similar to what they did at MU. So while I think their interactions with the media have been wrong and just plain bizarre, I commend them for actually making change and actually making people think about race relations on college campuses.

Has anything changed?

Yeah they got the president to resign. Give me a sec and I'll dig up a link.

Potentially unjust loss of employment?