Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?

[Ptolemy]

I apologize, I made the assumption your advocation for anti-abortion was rooted in religion. You can make the case that it isn't, which may be the case, but I have to believe that a small part of it is. If that's the case and you believe in a higher being then I think that belief is just as justified as the belief that there may be other life in the universe.

Belief in a higher power is unrelated to whether we should allow killing of our most vulnerable unborn. Such an act is contrary to nature. Sex feels good because nature needs us to procreate in order for the species to survive and thrive. Another aspect that raises us up over lower forms of life is we are the only ones that choose when to engage in the procreative act. The problem that has risen in that evolutionary process is we have attempted to separate the pleasure of the act from the procreative aspect through various unnatural means (contraception and abortion). Nature has never intended that to occur.  We're still working on it.

[SkinnyBenny]

I apologize, I made the assumption your advocation for anti-abortion was rooted in religion. You can make the case that it isn't, which may be the case, but I have to believe that a small part of it is. If that's the case and you believe in a higher being then I think that belief is just as justified as the belief that there may be other life in the universe.

Belief in a higher power is unrelated to whether we should allow killing of our most vulnerable unborn. Such an act is contrary to nature. Sex feels good because nature needs us to procreate in order for the species to survive and thrive. Another aspect that raises us up over lower forms of life is we are the only ones that choose when to engage in the procreative act. The problem that has risen in that evolutionary process is we have attempted to separate the pleasure of the act from the procreative aspect through various unnatural means (contraception and abortion). Nature has never intended that to occur.  We're still working on it.

Pretty much everything you just typed came off as super religi, fyi

[catastrophe]

Belief in a higher power is unrelated to whether we should allow killing of our most vulnerable unborn. Such an act is contrary to nature. Sex feels good because nature needs us to procreate in order for the species to survive and thrive. Another aspect that raises us up over lower forms of life is we are the only ones that choose when to engage in the procreative act. The problem that has risen in that evolutionary process is we have attempted to separate the pleasure of the act from the procreative aspect through various unnatural means (contraception and abortion). Nature has never intended that to occur.  We're still working on it.

As resources become more scarce on Earth do you think nature will respond by causing more people to be born homosexual? This is a question I have legitimately pondered.

[Mrs. Gooch]

Belief in a higher power is unrelated to whether we should allow killing of our most vulnerable unborn. Such an act is contrary to nature. Sex feels good because nature needs us to procreate in order for the species to survive and thrive. Another aspect that raises us up over lower forms of life is we are the only ones that choose when to engage in the procreative act. The problem that has risen in that evolutionary process is we have attempted to separate the pleasure of the act from the procreative aspect through various unnatural means (contraception and abortion). Nature has never intended that to occur.  We're still working on it.

As resources become more scarce on Earth do you think nature will respond by causing more people to be born homosexual? This is a question I have legitimately pondered.

Maybe if we hadn't criminalized homosexuality in the past, nature would have avoided the overpopulation crisis that is now upon us.

[Ptolemy]

Maybe if we hadn't criminalized homosexuality in the past, nature would have avoided the overpopulation crisis that is now upon us.

What evidence is there that the planet is overpopulated? We pay farmers to not grow food. Even then, developed countries throw away more food than the poor countries consume. 95% of the land area in the US is undeveloped. You could take the entire population of the world and move them to the state of Texas and the population density would be the same as it is in New York City.

The world is not overpopulated. In fact, the reverse is true in many countries that depend on a greater share of government to care for society than we do here. China, Japan, and much of Europe is facing crisis due to lagging birth rates.

[catastrophe]

China, Japan, and much of Europe is facing crisis due to lagging birth rates.

Because of the gays?

[Ptolemy]

As resources become more scarce on Earth do you think nature will respond by causing more people to be born homosexual? This is a question I have legitimately pondered.

Interesting point. Nature may have created the immune deficiency virus in response to the threat that homosexual activity placed on the survival of the species, but evidence is sparse in either direction.

[star seed 7]

Are clothes natural? Cars? Houses?

[catastrophe]

Are clothes natural? Cars? Houses?

Yes. No. Yes.

[star seed 7]

Clothes and houses aren't natural

[Ptolemy]

Are clothes natural? Cars? Houses?

Depends on your definition of nature. Some have an agenda that man is a virus on the planet, even though we came from it. Clothes are simply a means for protecting our bodies from the elements. Cars are an extension from bipedalism to allow for more efficiency and productivity in travel. Houses are the extension of caves, which are most certainly natural in any sense of the definition.

So yes, all are natural.

[Ptolemy]

Pretty much everything you just typed came off as super religi, fyi

That comes from you, not from the words.

[star seed 7]

Why is contraception and abortion not natural then? They are solutions to a problem,  same as clothes, cars, and houses.

[CNS]

Contraception is an extension of pulling out.

[star seed 7]

Time to outlaw braces and heart surgery, they aren't natural

[Rage Against the McKee]

Almost nothing humans do is natural.

[ednksu]

I apologize, I made the assumption your advocation for anti-abortion was rooted in religion. You can make the case that it isn't, which may be the case, but I have to believe that a small part of it is. If that's the case and you believe in a higher being then I think that belief is just as justified as the belief that there may be other life in the universe.

Belief in a higher power is unrelated to whether we should allow killing of our most vulnerable unborn. Such an act is contrary to nature. Sex feels good because nature needs us to procreate in order for the species to survive and thrive. Another aspect that raises us up over lower forms of life is we are the only ones that choose when to engage in the procreative act. The problem that has risen in that evolutionary process is we have attempted to separate the pleasure of the act from the procreative aspect through various unnatural means (contraception and abortion). Nature has never intended that to occur. We're still working on it.

Wrong on both counts.  It's like you're intentionally shrouding yourself in ignorance.

[Ptolemy]

Why is contraception and abortion not natural then? They are solutions to a problem,  same as clothes, cars, and houses.

Contraception is most certainly natural. Nature's form of contraception is the cycle of fertility (and aging, of course, except in the cases of Raquel Welch and Sofia Loren!). Nature's form of abortion is miscarriage. However, nature cannot perceive procreation in and of itself as a problem.

[Ptolemy]

Wrong on both counts.  It's like you're intentionally shrouding yourself in ignorance.

I'm still trying to fathom the resource in your counter argument. This may take a day or two, so please be patient.

[star seed 7]

How is a condom any more unnatural (to idiots like you) than a t-shirt?

[ednksu]

KSUW,

Why do you fight so passionately for the unborn, but want to abandon the less fortunate, living in this country?

Jesus told him this was the right way.

Even assuming he follows the Republican Party line, this is a terrible talking point for dems, btw.  Jesus was deliberate about separating government obligations from personal ones. Republicans have a higher rate of charitable giving overall. Just because you don't want the government to manage social causes doesn't mean you don't believe in or even support those causes.

You're totally missing the point and Jesus message about good governance.  Basically the governance you guys want is what Jesus railed against.

[star seed 7]

I feel like we are close to a "condoms are genocide" type moment for 'lemy

[catastrophe]

Clothes and houses aren't natural

Dude, other animals build houses. And clothes are a no-brainer. It's like "hey, that bear looks warm with all that fur, I should get me some of that to wear." If hunting for food is natural, wearing a pelt would be too.

[CNS]

Clothes and houses aren't natural

Dude, other animals build houses. And clothes are a no-brainer. It's like "hey, that bear looks warm with all that fur, I should get me some of that to wear." If hunting for food is natural, wearing a pelt would be too.

Humans grow hair.

[ednksu]

Wrong on both counts.  It's like you're intentionally shrouding yourself in ignorance.

I'm still trying to fathom the resource in your counter argument. This may take a day or two, so please be patient.

It's a well known fact that many animals, particularly higher ordered mammals eff. And that not only dispels your point about nature/abortion/rough ridin', but to go further, if we were only to have sex to procreate our biological system would be built around "induced ovulators" and not people who can eff without the reduced chance of pregnancy.