Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?

[Yard Dog]

Something like 99.999999% of pregnancies can be avoided by not having sex. And if you're that 0.000001% that gets pregnant without sex, you really shouldn't get an abortion. Trust me on this.

[Ptolemy]

Sex is pretty cool tho

So is eating food, but lots of people strictly ration their intake for various reasons.

[star seed 7]

Sex is pretty cool tho

So is eating food, but lots of people strictly ration their intake for various reasons.

We need a 'lemy stuff thread

[mocat]

Sex is pretty cool tho

So is eating food, but lots of people strictly ration their intake for various reasons.

Doesnt really work to abstain completely tho

[Tobias]

maybe leave these to catzacker as well?

[CNS]

Abstinence only would be a great law for the Christian Caliphate that you guys want.   You should start a list and maybe look for some land. 

[SdK]

Abstinence only would be a great law for the Christian Caliphate that you guys want.   You should start a list and maybe look for some land.

Hahahah

[Ptolemy]

Sex is pretty cool tho

So is eating food, but lots of people strictly ration their intake for various reasons.

Doesnt really work to abstain completely tho

Who's advocating that?

[star seed 7]

What's the food abortion analogy? Throwing up?

[SdK]

What's the food abstinence  analogy? Throwing up?

[Cartierfor3]

The Oliver piece was interesting, but he never pauses to ask the central question in all this: Is an unborn person a person, and do all persons have a right to live?

[Yard Dog]

The Oliver piece was interesting, but he never pauses to ask the central question in all this: Is an unborn person a person, and do all persons have a right to live?

Tends to be how pro choicers do it. Ignore the hard question that might change your viewpoint.

[catastrophe]

The Oliver piece was interesting, but he never pauses to ask the central question in all this: Is an unborn person a person, and do all persons have a right to live?

I think he acknowledges he is dodging that question. His point is that IF you believe at all that abortion is acceptable in some circumstance for some reason then you should be in favor of it being accessible.

Personally, I agree. I think just about all forms of abortion should be illegal, but for those few legal instances the government should not throw up arbitrary hurdles just to make it feasibly impossible to actually do.

[star seed 7]

The Oliver piece was interesting, but he never pauses to ask the central question in all this: Is an unborn person a person, and do all persons have a right to live?

Tends to be how pro choicers do it. Ignore the hard question that might change your viewpoint.

Do you really think anyone that is prochoice hasn't examined that question themselves already?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

The Oliver piece was interesting, but he never pauses to ask the central question in all this: Is an unborn person a person, and do all persons have a right to live?

Tends to be how pro choicers do it. Ignore the hard question that might change your viewpoint.

Do you really think anyone that is prochoice hasn't examined that question themselves already?

Yes. This thread proves that many pro-choice people have not carefully considered and tested their position. Go back and read all the terrible arguments that have been put forth.

[star seed 7]

I mean I could just as easily say you haven't really thought about it because you don't reach the same conclusion as me. It's strange that you don't even acknowledge how stupid you've been in this thread

[Ptolemy]

I think just about all forms of abortion should be illegal, but for those few legal instances the government should not throw up arbitrary hurdles just to make it feasibly impossible to actually do.

Have you ever read the Texas law in question? Basically just says that abortion facilities should meet the following:

No one can get an abortion if they are over 20 weeks of gestation, or 22 weeks if calculated from the last monthly period
Medication abortion (early, non-surgical abortion done with pills) will require up to four visits with the same doctor. First, 24 hours in advance for a sonogram. Then for the first and second doses of the drug. Lastly, abortion patients will have to return within 14 days for a follow-up visit.

All Texas abortion doctors must get admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles of their clinic.

Those are hardly draconian measures. Have you ever heard of Kermit Gosnell?

[catastrophe]

I mean I could just as easily say you haven't really thought about it because you don't reach the same conclusion as me. It's strange that you don't even acknowledge how stupid you've been in this thread

I think you could at least make the argument that people in favor of late 3rd trimester / partial birth abortions have not seriously thought about the issue.

[CNS]

I think just about all forms of abortion should be illegal, but for those few legal instances the government should not throw up arbitrary hurdles just to make it feasibly impossible to actually do.

Have you ever read the Texas law in question? Basically just says that abortion facilities should meet the following:

No one can get an abortion if they are over 20 weeks of gestation, or 22 weeks if calculated from the last monthly period
Medication abortion (early, non-surgical abortion done with pills) will require up to four visits with the same doctor. First, 24 hours in advance for a sonogram. Then for the first and second doses of the drug. Lastly, abortion patients will have to return within 14 days for a follow-up visit.

All Texas abortion doctors must get admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles of their clinic.

Those are hardly draconian measures. Have you ever heard of Kermit Gosnell?

Watch the vid.  It discusses that from a different angle and gives very good reasoning as to why most of that is designed to prevent procedures.

[Mrs. Gooch]

I think just about all forms of abortion should be illegal, but for those few legal instances the government should not throw up arbitrary hurdles just to make it feasibly impossible to actually do.

Have you ever read the Texas law in question? Basically just says that abortion facilities should meet the following:

No one can get an abortion if they are over 20 weeks of gestation, or 22 weeks if calculated from the last monthly period
Medication abortion (early, non-surgical abortion done with pills) will require up to four visits with the same doctor. First, 24 hours in advance for a sonogram. Then for the first and second doses of the drug. Lastly, abortion patients will have to return within 14 days for a follow-up visit.

All Texas abortion doctors must get admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles of their clinic.

Those are hardly draconian measures. Have you ever heard of Kermit Gosnell?

John Oliver pretty much addresses all those points so maybe just watch the video...

[Ptolemy]

John Oliver pretty much addresses all those points so maybe just watch the video...

Sorry but you do not go to a comedian for serious analysis. What's next, Gallagher on US-Russia relations?

Go here...at least he's a physician:

http://www.abortionprocedures.com/

[ednksu]

John Oliver pretty much addresses all those points so maybe just watch the video...

Sorry but you do not go to a comedian for serious analysis. What's next, Gallagher on US-Russia relations?

Go here...at least he's a physician:

http://www.abortionprocedures.com/

We can't learn anything from you satirists!!! Shakespeare, Chaucer, Twain all crap I say! Who needs to look at their underlying evidence, analysis, and logic.  Only consider the source.   

[ednksu]

Idaho has a serious cases of the KSUWs
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/feb/25/abortion-debate-heats-up-in-idaho-statehouse/

[Mrs. Gooch]

Idaho has a serious cases of the KSUWs
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/feb/25/abortion-debate-heats-up-in-idaho-statehouse/

Well we already knew from Todd Akin that women's bodies have a way to shut that all down if it is legitimate rape.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I mean I could just as easily say you haven't really thought about it because you don't reach the same conclusion as me. It's strange that you don't even acknowledge how stupid you've been in this thread

You could just as easily say whatever you want - that wouldn't make it right. Again, go back and re-read the thread.