Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Same review that led to their indictment found no issue w planned parenthood. 

Obvsly liberal agenda

Yes, obviously.

[Yard Dog]

worrying about the videos one way or the other is ridiculous and is a non story. that is not the point of any of this

You don't think it's a little interesting that this group had to break the law to unsuccessfully set up a sting operation? Seems interesting to me

They had to fake their identities to set up the sting? No, that doesn't seem strange at all. That seems like exactly what law enforcement does, too, only they legally can.

Again, mess with liberals' Most Sacred Cow, and you'd better be prepared for the consequences. This does not in any way invalidate the inhumanity and evil on display in those videos - a point that still cannot be denied by the libtards, so instead they point to "yeah but they didn't break the law." It's still evil, and taxpayer funded evil.

The group has put out a statement that they did nothing different than what investigative journalists do all the time. I have a feeling they will win that case.

[Cartierfor3]

Here's what I meant. The fundamental issue is if an unborn person has human rights and is considered a person or not. The videos were a tool to sway the argument towards that. What some grand jury says about the ethics of the videos matters little to me. Its a fantastic way to diverge the argument from the actual issue.

Fundamentally, the question is what qualifies as a person who is deserving of basic protection. That's the issue.

[star seed 7]

Here's what I meant. The fundamental issue is if an unborn person has human rights and is considered a person or not. The videos were a tool to sway the argument towards that. What some grand jury says about the ethics of the videos matters little to me. Its a fantastic way to diverge the argument from the actual issue.

Fundamentally, the question is what qualifies as a person who is deserving of basic protection. That's the issue.

The videos had little to do with that. They were specifically trying to catch illegal activity and they failed to do so, so they lied and said there was illegal activity anyway. This directly led to a man shooting people at an abortion clinic.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

The videos captured the cavalier and inhuman way PP deal with, markets and sells dead baby body parts.

Whether the videos were legally obtained doesn't detract from that horror.

[Cartierfor3]

Here's what I meant. The fundamental issue is if an unborn person has human rights and is considered a person or not. The videos were a tool to sway the argument towards that. What some grand jury says about the ethics of the videos matters little to me. Its a fantastic way to diverge the argument from the actual issue.

Fundamentally, the question is what qualifies as a person who is deserving of basic protection. That's the issue.

The videos had little to do with that. They were specifically trying to catch illegal activity and they failed to do so, so they lied and said there was illegal activity anyway. This directly led to a man shooting people at an abortion clinic.

which is, imo, why they aren't the issue. An issue? I guess, but not THE issue.

And that shooter was crazy and I hate that that happened.

[star seed 7]

The videos captured the cavalier and inhuman way PP deal with, markets and sells dead baby body parts.

Whether the videos were legally obtained doesn't detract from that horror.

I suspect you've never heard any doctors or surgeons talk about medical procedures

[Institutional Control]

I'll bet people were ordering fetus arms for necklaces and earrings.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Here's what I meant. The fundamental issue is if an unborn person has human rights and is considered a person or not. The videos were a tool to sway the argument towards that. What some grand jury says about the ethics of the videos matters little to me. Its a fantastic way to diverge the argument from the actual issue.

Fundamentally, the question is what qualifies as a person who is deserving of basic protection. That's the issue.

The videos had little to do with that. They were specifically trying to catch illegal activity and they failed to do so, so they lied and said there was illegal activity anyway. This directly led to a man shooting people at an abortion clinic.

I'd say "crazy" had a lot more to do with that guy shooting up the clinic than some video exposing the horror of what those clinics do. Such exposes should not be silenced simply because of how a crazy person might respond.

The videos fairly and accurately presented what these clinics actually do. The Planned Parenthood execs actually said what they said. They actually made those jokes and glibly discussed their butchery over lunch. They actually went through their "menu" and pricing of various prices (man, if you can get an intact head that's where the big money is!). The vultures actually coo'd "it's another boy!" while sifting through the remains. These things actually happened, and they were caught on tape.

You don't like to admit the evil of this enterprise, so you deflect to other issues - "The activists forged IDs!", "PP wasn't indicted!" So? They're still monsters.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

The videos captured the cavalier and inhuman way PP deal with, markets and sells dead baby body parts.

Whether the videos were legally obtained doesn't detract from that horror.

I suspect you've never heard any doctors or surgeons talk about medical procedures

I'm seriously questioning whether you even have a conscience. How does a human being get to the point where they can't distinguish a moral difference between say, a knee or heart surgery, and tearing an unborn child limb from limb? It's really telling, lib7. You ought to take a few minutes and really think about how you're representing yourself with these terrible arguments.

[star seed 7]

[star seed 7]

I mean, you're the one that thinks if a poor person needs medical treatment they can't afford that that person just should have worked harder in life and eff him if he dies, he's a taker anyway. You literally care more about a fetus than an actual human.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I mean, you're the one that thinks if a poor person needs medical treatment they can't afford that that person just should have worked harder in life and eff him if he dies, he's a taker anyway. You literally care more about a fetus than an actual human.

First, that's not true. I have never said that people should be denied life-saving care due to the inability to pay. We already have such laws that prohibit that, for good reason.

Second, you are deflecting once again. Sometimes the truth hurts. You need to really do some self reflection and ask yourself "Did I really just compare tearing an unborn child limb from limb to any other 'medical procedure?' Do I really not see the difference?"

Here is a more eloquent display of the exact same lack of conscience and morality from another abortion supporter:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/07/14/lila_rose_and_live_action_have_another_planned_parenthood_sting_yet_again.html

As someone who is squeamish, it was extremely difficult for me to listen to Nucatola talk about extracting liver, heart, and other parts to be donated to medical research. (I nearly fainted when a friend showed me the video of her knee operation once.) But people who work in medicine for a living do, in fact, become inured to the gore in a way that can seem strange to those of us who aren't regularly exposed to it. She also thought she was speaking to people in her profession who would be similarly accustomed to this sort of thing.

Abortion is gross, no doubt about it. It becomes grosser the later in a pregnancy it gets. But so is heart surgery. So is child-birth, for that matter. We don't deny people who need help in those cases because the help is gross. Nor should we deny people that help when it comes to needing abortion. We also shouldn't deny women who want to donate fetal or embryonic remains to science any more than we would deny someone who wants to be an organ donor, even though the latter is also quite gross to ponder.

This mentality is what is "gross." It's worse than gross. It is horrific.

[star seed 7]

You obviously miss the point, but that's understandable you're highly emotional about this issue. You're also wrong, but no doubt emotional, so it's clear you can't look at it like a rational person

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

You obviously miss the point, but that's understandable you're highly emotional about this issue. You're also wrong, but no doubt emotional, so it's clear you can't look at it like a rational person

I have not missed the point - I'm simply taking it one step further than you've considered. You're saying this is nothing more than doctors talking about medical procedures that might make non-medical people squeamish. And I'm pointing out that this is not like any other "gross" procedure. Unless you have no conscience and cannot make the moral distinction.

[star seed 7]

I give ksuw credit for just being emotional instead of dumb tho, check this out from the cloak room (not a troll)

You have to understand the context of these people's beliefs. It's not that they support abortion / killing babies in a vacuum (no pun intended). It's the context of being warriors for the feminist cause. That's what these people get off on, for varying reasons. Some have been indoctrinated by society/media for the last 30 years. Some think it's going to get them pussy. You have to understand the root ideology. Feminism seeks to maximize constraint of male sexuality, while at the same time maximizing lack of constraint of female sexuality.

[Tobias]

clear lake horn?

[chuckjames]

My hot take on Abortion. It's a tragedy and we as a society should work so there is less of them. But women will have them done if they are legal or not, so why not make them legal to a certain point of the pregnancy? As a male I have a hard time telling a women that she must have a kid, especially when we have such a shoddy safety net. Just my humble opinion.

['taterblast]

My hot take on Abortion. It's a tragedy and we as a society should work so there is less of them. But women will have them done if they are legal or not, so why not make them legal to a certain point of the pregnancy? As a male I have a hard time telling a women that she must have a kid, especially when we have such a shoddy safety net. Just my humble opinion.

pretty much where i stand

[DQ12]

My hot take on Abortion. It's a tragedy and we as a society should work so there is less of them. But women will have them done if they are legal or not, so why not make them legal to a certain point of the pregnancy? As a male I have a hard time telling a women that she must have a kid, especially when we have such a shoddy safety net. Just my humble opinion.

pretty much where i stand

No offense, but that's the laziest crap in the world.

You admit it's a tragedy -- why exactly is it tragic?  I thought this was a mere medical procedure.  Like removing a cyst or setting a broken ankle.  Is it tragic solely because the procedure sometimes puts an emotional toll on the woman?  Is every mere medical procedure a tragedy? 

Also, the argument that women will get abortions whether or not they're illegal is a nonsense argument.  The idea that society should only make an activity illegal if it means that, henceforth, no one will engage in that activity is extremely silly when you think about it for longer than five seconds.  People still steal things.  People still murder. 

Finally, the "I'm a man so I can't have a say," is just bullshit.  Should non-slaveholding northerners just minded their own business?  If you think abortion is murder, "I'm a man" is irrelevant.   

[chuckjames]

My hot take on Abortion. It's a tragedy and we as a society should work so there is less of them. But women will have them done if they are legal or not, so why not make them legal to a certain point of the pregnancy? As a male I have a hard time telling a women that she must have a kid, especially when we have such a shoddy safety net. Just my humble opinion.

pretty much where i stand

No offense, but that's the laziest crap in the world.

You admit it's a tragedy -- why exactly is it tragic?  I thought this was a mere medical procedure.  Like removing a cyst or setting a broken ankle.  Is it tragic solely because the procedure sometimes puts an emotional toll on the woman?  Is every mere medical procedure a tragedy? 

Also, the argument that women will get abortions whether or not they're illegal is a nonsense argument.  The idea that society should only make an activity illegal if it means that, henceforth, no one will engage in that activity is extremely silly when you think about it for longer than five seconds.  People still steal things.  People still murder. 

Finally, the "I'm a man so I can't have a say," is just bullshit.  Should non-slaveholding northerners just minded their own business?  If you think abortion is murder, "I'm a man" is irrelevant.

Damn Bringing the fire.
tragedy was probably the wrong word. Do I wish there less abortions? Abosolutely. But I don't think it's murder, could the fetus live on its own without being in the womb?
But I'm reminded on the chapter in Freaknomics when it basically makes an argument that the lowering of the crime rate in the early 90's was due to Roe v Wade. I don't think that in itself makes a abortion right, but I think it shows the types of lives outlawing abortion leads too.

and yes I know the argument about it would be done even if it's was illegal I terrible argument, I fight against it all the time in gun control arguments. But I think for the safety and health of our fellow citizens they should have the opportunity to get safe legal abortions.

[Asteriskhead]

My hot take on Abortion. It's a tragedy and we as a society should work so there is less of them. But women will have them done if they are legal or not, so why not make them legal to a certain point of the pregnancy? As a male I have a hard time telling a women that she must have a kid, especially when we have such a shoddy safety net. Just my humble opinion.

pretty much where i stand

No offense, but that's the laziest crap in the world.

You admit it's a tragedy -- why exactly is it tragic?  I thought this was a mere medical procedure.  Like removing a cyst or setting a broken ankle.  Is it tragic solely because the procedure sometimes puts an emotional toll on the woman?  Is every mere medical procedure a tragedy? 

Also, the argument that women will get abortions whether or not they're illegal is a nonsense argument.  The idea that society should only make an activity illegal if it means that, henceforth, no one will engage in that activity is extremely silly when you think about it for longer than five seconds.  People still steal things.  People still murder. 

Finally, the "I'm a man so I can't have a say," is just bullshit.  Should non-slaveholding northerners just minded their own business?  If you think abortion is murder, "I'm a man" is irrelevant.

Damn Bringing the fire.
tragedy was probably the wrong word. Do I wish there less abortions? Abosolutely. But I don't think it's murder, could the fetus live on its own without being in the womb?
But I'm reminded on the chapter in Freaknomics when it basically makes an argument that the lowering of the crime rate in the early 90's was due to Roe v Wade. I don't think that in itself makes a abortion right, but I think it shows the types of lives outlawing abortion leads too.

and yes I know the argument about it would be done even if it's was illegal I terrible argument, I fight against it all the time in gun control arguments. But I think for the safety and health of our fellow citizens they should have the opportunity to get safe legal abortions.

what is your stance on eugenics?

[sonofdaxjones]

Got the videos "illegally" really bad.  PP willing to traffic baby parts perfectly fine.      Nice work ProgLibs

[Kat Kid]

There is lots and lots of evidence that we would reduce costs to society and drastically reduce abortions by providing free contraception to everyone, especially teenagers.

Amazingly, the same people that claim abortion is a literal holocaust don't want to do that.

[CNS]

There is lots and lots of evidence that we would reduce costs to society and drastically reduce abortions by providing free contraception to everyone, especially teenagers.

Amazingly, the same people that claim abortion is a literal holocaust don't want to do that.

Education too.  However, same ppl really like ignorant, unprepared, baby time bombs.