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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #775 on: October 28, 2015, 11:47:57 AM »
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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #777 on: November 30, 2015, 09:17:27 PM »
http://www.mic.com/articles/129329/a-former-planned-parenthood-employee-tweeted-this-list-of-acts-of-terrorism-she-survived?utm_source=policymicFB&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=social#.lUlc8nSyE

Most of that stuff ranges from pretty bad to downright evil, (on par with slaughtering unborn human life). She probably could have left out the part about "surviving" stink bombs. I think most of us survived a few of those in high school. But yeah, I'd also say most of it qualifies as terrorism.

But just to put things in perspective, there are 11 recorded killings associated with anti-abortion violence in the US. 22 others have been wounded. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

By contrast, in just one act of domestic terrorism, which we were assured was just "workplace violence," Major Nidal Hassan killed 13 and wounded 32.

So no, I wouldn't say there is an epidemic of anti-abortion terrorism.
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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #778 on: November 30, 2015, 09:34:38 PM »
ksuw, how are you not morally ok with people killing abortion doctors (and really the women getting abortions as well)?  seems disingenuous to equate abortion in america to the holocaust, but not be ok with stopping the people responsible by physical force.

just wondering, thanks
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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #780 on: December 01, 2015, 10:06:33 AM »
Known person smarter than everyone at Foxnews, Rachel Maddow, did a great piece last night on the terrorist threats abortion doctors face and how Ted Cruz embraces the support of said domestic terrorists.
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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #781 on: December 01, 2015, 11:27:51 AM »
ksuw, how are you not morally ok with people killing abortion doctors (and really the women getting abortions as well)?  seems disingenuous to equate abortion in america to the holocaust, but not be ok with stopping the people responsible by physical force.

just wondering, thanks
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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #782 on: December 01, 2015, 11:34:31 AM »
ksuw, how are you not morally ok with people killing abortion doctors (and really the women getting abortions as well)?  seems disingenuous to equate abortion in america to the holocaust, but not be ok with stopping the people responsible by physical force.

just wondering, thanks
I can't speak for KSUW, but for me, it's pretty simple: I am not in favor of anyone taking anyone else's life.

You're fairly consistent here, but ksuw is pro death penalty and def on the "turn the middle east to glass" side, so I don't think your answer applies to him.
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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #783 on: December 01, 2015, 12:55:29 PM »
People who kill abortion doctors are not terrorists.  They are evil nuts.  Pro life means valuing all life.  Taking the life of the abortionist puts that person on the same plane as the abortionist.  Some people are inflamed beyond rational by the sick disregard that the hamburger or bust crowd has for life in the womb.  All they want is either foolproof birth control for their rabbit sex orgies or a legal tool for eugenics.

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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #784 on: December 01, 2015, 02:24:46 PM »
ksuw, how are you not morally ok with people killing abortion doctors (and really the women getting abortions as well)?  seems disingenuous to equate abortion in america to the holocaust, but not be ok with stopping the people responsible by physical force.

just wondering, thanks
I can't speak for KSUW, but for me, it's pretty simple: I am not in favor of anyone taking anyone else's life.

You're fairly consistent here, but ksuw is pro death penalty and def on the "turn the middle east to glass" side, so I don't think your answer applies to him.

It's an interesting philosophical question I've considered before. First, as you allude to above, I do not believe it is always immoral to kill human life. War is not always immoral, nor is the death penalty, nor is killing as absolutely necessary to defend yourself or others.

So let's start with when I believe that killing another human life is moral, and then use that to answer your question. I believe that killing a human life is moral if it is absolutely necessary to protect against the loss of your own life or the lives of others (self-defense), when there is a reasonable chance that such killing, and only killing, will prevent a greater loss of life and/or suffering (some wars), and as justice through a fair and impartial legal system.

In my opinion, anti-abortion violence doesn't fit in any of these categories. Let's start with the easy one - it certainly isn't justice through a fair and impartial legal system. But in my opinion anti-abortion violence doesn't fit in the other categories either, because (1) killing one abortionist isn't likely to save many innocent lives, if any (the women will almost certainly abort, anyway), and (2) there are peaceful and more effective means of preventing abortion. I don't think anyone can seriously disagree that the peaceful pro-life movement (which is the vast majority), aided by advances in imaging technology, have been far more successful in shifting public opinion and reducing abortion than violence.
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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #785 on: December 01, 2015, 02:33:35 PM »
So you would have let the nazi's operate for 40 years just hoping that the nazi's would change their mind?
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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #786 on: December 01, 2015, 02:37:22 PM »
ksuw, how are you not morally ok with people killing abortion doctors (and really the women getting abortions as well)?  seems disingenuous to equate abortion in america to the holocaust, but not be ok with stopping the people responsible by physical force.

just wondering, thanks
I can't speak for KSUW, but for me, it's pretty simple: I am not in favor of anyone taking anyone else's life.

You're fairly consistent here, but ksuw is pro death penalty and def on the "turn the middle east to glass" side, so I don't think your answer applies to him.

It's an interesting philosophical question I've considered before. First, as you allude to above, I do not believe it is always immoral to kill human life. War is not always immoral, nor is the death penalty, nor is killing as absolutely necessary to defend yourself or others.

So let's start with when I believe that killing another human life is moral, and then use that to answer your question. I believe that killing a human life is moral if it is absolutely necessary to protect against the loss of your own life or the lives of others (self-defense), when there is a reasonable chance that such killing, and only killing, will prevent a greater loss of life and/or suffering (some wars), and as justice through a fair and impartial legal system.

In my opinion, anti-abortion violence doesn't fit in any of these categories. Let's start with the easy one - it certainly isn't justice through a fair and impartial legal system. But in my opinion anti-abortion violence doesn't fit in the other categories either, because (1) killing one abortionist isn't likely to save many innocent lives, if any (the women will almost certainly abort, anyway), and (2) there are peaceful and more effective means of preventing abortion. I don't think anyone can seriously disagree that the peaceful pro-life movement (which is the vast majority), aided by advances in imaging technology, have been far more successful in shifting public opinion and reducing abortion than violence.

So then you would be ok with aborting baby Hitler? (Sorry if this has already been discussed in the Jeb Bush thread.)

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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #787 on: December 01, 2015, 02:44:50 PM »
It's very telling that some equate abortion with the work of Hitler and the Nazis.

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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #788 on: December 01, 2015, 02:52:12 PM »
ksuw, how are you not morally ok with people killing abortion doctors (and really the women getting abortions as well)?  seems disingenuous to equate abortion in america to the holocaust, but not be ok with stopping the people responsible by physical force.

just wondering, thanks
I can't speak for KSUW, but for me, it's pretty simple: I am not in favor of anyone taking anyone else's life.

You're fairly consistent here, but ksuw is pro death penalty and def on the "turn the middle east to glass" side, so I don't think your answer applies to him.

It's an interesting philosophical question I've considered before. First, as you allude to above, I do not believe it is always immoral to kill human life. War is not always immoral, nor is the death penalty, nor is killing as absolutely necessary to defend yourself or others.

So let's start with when I believe that killing another human life is moral, and then use that to answer your question. I believe that killing a human life is moral if it is absolutely necessary to protect against the loss of your own life or the lives of others (self-defense), when there is a reasonable chance that such killing, and only killing, will prevent a greater loss of life and/or suffering (some wars), and as justice through a fair and impartial legal system.

In my opinion, anti-abortion violence doesn't fit in any of these categories. Let's start with the easy one - it certainly isn't justice through a fair and impartial legal system. But in my opinion anti-abortion violence doesn't fit in the other categories either, because (1) killing one abortionist isn't likely to save many innocent lives, if any (the women will almost certainly abort, anyway), and (2) there are peaceful and more effective means of preventing abortion. I don't think anyone can seriously disagree that the peaceful pro-life movement (which is the vast majority), aided by advances in imaging technology, have been far more successful in shifting public opinion and reducing abortion than violence.

So then you would be ok with aborting baby Hitler? (Sorry if this has already been discussed in the Jeb Bush thread.)

I suppose that question will become relevant once we invent time travel (or maybe they already have but they're just not telling us?!?!), but until that time, it is irrelevant.
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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #789 on: December 01, 2015, 02:53:58 PM »
It's very telling that some equate abortion with the work of Hitler and the Nazis.

Only when they think it serves their argument.
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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #790 on: December 01, 2015, 02:58:42 PM »
It's very telling that some equate abortion with the work of Hitler and the Nazis.

Only when they think it serves their argument.

Yes, very telling indeed
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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #791 on: December 01, 2015, 03:02:32 PM »
Some (fsd) equate condoms with nazi's  :sdeek:
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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #793 on: December 01, 2015, 04:10:29 PM »
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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #797 on: December 01, 2015, 07:02:18 PM »
People who kill abortion doctors are not terrorists.

Really? I think one could certainly argue that people who arm themselves to the teeth and walk into public places full of unsuspecting people and open fire with the intent to kill shitloads of people because of some perverted interpretation of religion are indeed terrorists. That's inflicting terror. That's what terrorism is.
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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #798 on: December 01, 2015, 10:49:14 PM »
Known person smarter than everyone at Foxnews, Rachel Maddow, did a great piece last night on the terrorist threats abortion doctors face and how Ted Cruz embraces the support of said domestic terrorists.

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« Reply #799 on: December 02, 2015, 07:33:04 AM »
Known person smarter than everyone at Foxnews, Rachel Maddow, did a great piece last night on the terrorist threats abortion doctors face and how Ted Cruz embraces the support of said domestic terrorists.

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