Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?

[Canary]

I can kind of see why yard dog takes this so personally.

People have wanted to late term abort him his whole life.

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So you are equating late term abortion to murder? Glad to have you on our side Roidy.

it's a recycled south park joke, but i wouldn't expect anyone of your limited cognitive capacity to make the connection. i haven't offered my actual opinion in this thread, and don't plan to.

I like that you added that last statement. No one on this board knows my actual opinions on this subject either or almost any other subject. It makes it easier to spar.

[Yard Dog]

I agree that all companies should offer paid maternity leave. I also support the example of several countries who require paid paternity leave so the mother has support from the father during those first important weeks.

very popular position among the breeding class.

Under Yard Dog's plan of free unlimited maternity leave to ever-Y-body who ever wants to have a kid, if a pregnant woman gets maternity leave but then gives the baby up for adoption, would the adopting mother get maternity leave? Isn't that double dipping? Tons of women out on maternity leave all the time while I (and other people who don't have kids) pay for it.

hey yard dog, what do you think is going to happen to the gender wage gap with this plan that you propose?

I don't have a proposed plan personally. I am not one generally to support government regulation to any degree, but in this instance a minimum standard seems nice. I definitely don't support unlimited maternity leave, that would be ridiculous. I am unsure how much a mandatory maternity leave ends up hurting the businesses, whether this would lead to less women getting hired in certain positions, or if this directly effects the gender wage gap.

In a perfect society companies would offer this already and be happy about it. The company I work for gives three months maternity leave. In a perfect market, businesses would compete with their maternity leaves in order to draw in better employees. If we are going to discuss the benefit of nurture in the ol' nature vs nurture debate, it starts from the very beginning. Not to mention that the healthcare and concerns of new mothers doesn't end at child birth. The time afterwards is just as important.

[sys]

In a perfect society companies would offer this already and be happy about it.

perfect society for breeders.

[SdK]

It'd be nice if people planned to have children and had their health care and financial situations in order prior. In that case, there could be an ability to get paid maternity leave that is triple or quadruple (some multiple) the amount you have accrued for regular leave. Seems like a nice compromise to me. Having a child is a choice. Plan for it.

[SdK]

Maternity/paternity.

[Mrs. Gooch]

It'd be nice if people planned to have children and had their health care and financial situations in order prior. In that case, there could be an ability to get paid maternity leave that is triple or quadruple (some multiple) the amount you have accrued for regular leave. Seems like a nice compromise to me. Having a child is a choice. Plan for it.

I don't understand what you are saying here.

[MakeItRain]

So like, some people say "this issue is decided, it has been for a long time.  Abortion is legal, so give up."

I'm wondering if they feel the same way about 2nd amendment rights to firearms, which seem pretty well ingrained too.

I'm assuming you are asking this question to people advocating for the abolishing of the 2nd amendment, and I have to ask, who the hell is doing that?

[8manpick]

It'd be nice if people planned to have children and had their health care and financial situations in order prior. In that case, there could be an ability to get paid maternity leave that is triple or quadruple (some multiple) the amount you have accrued for regular leave. Seems like a nice compromise to me. Having a child is a choice. Plan for it.

I don't understand what you are saying here.

Instead of two weeks paid leave, 8 when you breed

[MakeItRain]

It'd be nice if people planned to have children and had their health care and financial situations in order prior. In that case, there could be an ability to get paid maternity leave that is triple or quadruple (some multiple) the amount you have accrued for regular leave. Seems like a nice compromise to me. Having a child is a choice. Plan for it.

I don't understand what you are saying here.

Instead of two weeks paid leave, 8 when you breed

Abhorrent

[sys]

Abhorrent

agreed.  breeders shouldn't be subsidized.

[MakeItRain]

Abhorrent

agreed.  breeders shouldn't be subsidized.

Subsidized? Who subsidizes maternity leave.

[sys]

Subsidized? Who subsidizes maternity leave.

the childless.

[SdK]

It'd be nice if people planned to have children and had their health care and financial situations in order prior. In that case, there could be an ability to get paid maternity leave that is triple or quadruple (some multiple) the amount you have accrued for regular leave. Seems like a nice compromise to me. Having a child is a choice. Plan for it.

I don't understand what you are saying here.

Instead of two weeks paid leave, 8 when you breed

Abhorrent

I said a multiple. There would have to be some limits of course.

[Asteriskhead]

Subsidized? Who subsidizes maternity leave.

the childless.

non-breeders, and even breeders during years that they don't breed, should get a yearly "thanks for not having a baby" bonus equal to whatever their maternity/paternity benefit would be.

[SdK]

If anyone is having more than 2 kids. They should be cut off.

[MakeItRain]

Subsidized? Who subsidizes maternity leave.

the childless.

How so? You don't rough ridin' employ anyone why do you care?

[sys]

How so?

don't be dense.

[michigancat]

I mean, it's ok to not have a problem with subsidizing maternity/paternity leave, yet recognize it exists.

[Mrs. Gooch]

Subsidized? Who subsidizes maternity leave.

the childless.

non-breeders, and even breeders during years that they don't breed, should get a yearly "thanks for not having a baby" bonus equal to whatever their maternity/paternity benefit would be.

Yes.

[wetwillie]

Thank you for breeding

[DQ12]

So like, some people say "this issue is decided, it has been for a long time.  Abortion is legal, so give up."

I'm wondering if they feel the same way about 2nd amendment rights to firearms, which seem pretty well ingrained too.

I'm assuming you are asking this question to people advocating for the abolishing of the 2nd amendment, and I have to ask, who the hell is doing that?

I'm asking that question to people who want to limit others' constitutionally protected (and reinforced by recent, explicit supreme court caselaw) right to bear arms.

My only point is that it's lame to cite established Supreme Court decisions as an argument for others to give up fighting a perceived injustice.  I could just have easily used Dred Scott as an example.

[michigancat]

I also think only women should be allowed to determine abortion laws. As a male, I don't feel qualified as I really don't need to deal with any of the consequences women do.

[star seed 7]

I also think only women should be allowed to determine abortion laws. As a male, I don't feel qualified as I really don't need to deal with any of the consequences women do.

I don't agree

[michigancat]

I also think only women should be allowed to determine abortion laws. As a male, I don't feel qualified as I really don't need to deal with any of the consequences women do.

I don't agree

I respect that.

[Mrs. Gooch]

It'd be nice if people planned to have children and had their health care and financial situations in order prior. In that case, there could be an ability to get paid maternity leave that is triple or quadruple (some multiple) the amount you have accrued for regular leave. Seems like a nice compromise to me. Having a child is a choice. Plan for it.

I don't understand what you are saying here.

Instead of two weeks paid leave, 8 when you breed

Abhorrent

I said a multiple. There would have to be some limits of course.

So maternity leave would be based on seniority. The 60 year old lady who has been at the company a long time would be eligible for the most maternity leave. Makes sense.