Delton

[Mixed-Nutz]

IF the Conservative guess of length out is average than the injury would be less than average.    I think it is called logic, not sure.

[The Big Train]

ok_cat must have been having a pretty good day

Why? (I am, though!)

the whole draino kill your self exchange with that other cat fan

[OK_Cat]

ok_cat must have been having a pretty good day

Why? (I am, though!)

the whole draino kill your self exchange with that other cat fan

I thought it was well done

[Blackcats]

Matt Wolters says he could be out until November.

take the medical RS and run if that is the case imo

If November is the conservative guess on the time he is out it is a very minor meniscus tear.

That isn't true at all, you completely made that up. A mild meniscus tear can go for a bit without an operation, not recommended but it's definitely possible. Most meniscus tears come with a scope and a couple of weeks of rest.

The average is 6 weeks i.e November.

Depends on which surgery is needed.

[Steffy08]

After yesterday I'm ready for Banks' redshirt to come off.  Kstate must have qb run game, and Hubes can't do it. Plus, coaches can't continue to call plays like they did yesterday so as to avoid injury and save a redshirt.

I think the coaches want to have one qb and avoid the drama of 2013, but Hubener can't do it.  Maybe Banks can.  But at the least, we need to use Banks in wildcat and goal line.

This team has a good enough d to win the big 12 this year (especially if we can get Dante back).  Pull Banks' shirt and let's play to win now.  We have lots of qb options for the next 2-3 years.

[Mixed-Nutz]

Hubs is subpar at the zone read that is his biggest problem. He also has shown the best ability to throw it out of the flat for a bubble screen to spread the defense out horizontally.

[MakeItRain]

Matt Wolters says he could be out until November.

take the medical RS and run if that is the case imo

If November is the conservative guess on the time he is out it is a very minor meniscus tear.

That isn't true at all, you completely made that up. A mild meniscus tear can go for a bit without an operation, not recommended but it's definitely possible. Most meniscus tears come with a scope and a couple of weeks of rest.

The average is 6 weeks i.e November.

Depends on which surgery is needed.

Well he's clearly getting the very minor but average surgery.

[catastrophe]

Maybe this just shows off my low FBIQ, but if I had to pick 5 things to fix on our offense, I wouldn't even make it to the QB position. Hubes has work to do, but he's not the biggest problem.

That said, if the staff feel they are unable to do the QB run game since we don't have a true backup, then it is very much a problem.

[Yard Dog]

Whatever happened to adjusting play calling to the quarterback you have? Or is that just way too difficult this far into the season to put in place?

[Pendergast]

6 weeks most likely means they will be removing part of the meniscus, and not repairing anything.  In which case, 6 weeks is a conservative estimate, it could be a few weeks quicker.  It all depends on his pain tolerance and ability of his muscles to recover from the punctures for the surgery.

[Yard Dog]

6 weeks most likely means they will be removing part of the meniscus, and not repairing anything.  In which case, 6 weeks is a conservative estimate, it could be a few weeks quicker.  It all depends on his pain tolerance and ability of his muscles to recover from the punctures for the surgery.

If we move to quickly, how likely are we to totally ruin his knees RG3 style?

[Pendergast]

Not a doctor, so don't know.  Been around a lot of these injuries and my sister is in the Kinesiology field.  I don't think risk is high of reinjuring the meniscus as the doctor should shave any edges that are susceptible to tears.  But there's probably a risk of muscle strains and tears as your body readjusts to it's new norm, and repairs the punctures from surgery.  So long term damage not likely, tearing something that could prolong the time he's out is probably a modest risk.

[Katpappy]

Whatever happened to adjusting play calling to the quarterback you have? Or is that just way too difficult this far into the season to put in place?

How long have you been following Snyder ball.  Cause you got to be a rough ridin' idiot to think the coaches will play to the QB's strengths. 

[GoodForAnother]

Whatever happened to adjusting play calling to the quarterback you have? Or is that just way too difficult this far into the season to put in place?

How long have you been following Snyder ball.  Cause you got to be a rough ridin' idiot to think the coaches will play to the QB's strengths. 

actually something snyder has done traditionally pretty well, dimel not so much

[Functianalyst]

Any updates on whether Jonathan Banks is getting considerable reps at practice?  I doubt seriously that Joe Huebner will be able to carry the weight without a break, until Delton returns.

[Panjandrum]

Whatever happened to adjusting play calling to the quarterback you have? Or is that just way too difficult this far into the season to put in place?

How long have you been following Snyder ball.  Cause you got to be a rough ridin' idiot to think the coaches will play to the QB's strengths. 

actually something snyder has done traditionally pretty well, dimel not so much

Dimel seems to call a game based on what he wants to happen as opposed to what will probably happen if he calls it that way.

[kso_FAN]

Whatever happened to adjusting play calling to the quarterback you have? Or is that just way too difficult this far into the season to put in place?

How long have you been following Snyder ball.  Cause you got to be a rough ridin' idiot to think the coaches will play to the QB's strengths. 

actually something snyder has done traditionally pretty well, dimel not so much

Dimel seems to call a game based on what he wants to happen as opposed to what will probably happen if he calls it that way.

Honestly, "playcalling" usually is an indictment on talent as much as anything. While I'll agree there were many times what we were doing (or trying to d) left a lot to be desired Saturday, the injury situation at QB and the fact that this offense simply doesn't have many game breaking threats also plays into what we saw. We obviously have issues and/or inexperience at nearly every position on the field and those things create a lack of trust in players and what playcallers are willing to call. From talking to some former players, K-State consistently runs packages and plays that never see the field in games. Its no surprise that they go back to things they trust and are comfortable with, especially since Snyder and his staff have always been hyper-sensitive to avoiding turnovers. I think all of those things came into play as to what we saw, especially in the very ugly first half.

[Katpappy]

Whatever happened to adjusting play calling to the quarterback you have? Or is that just way too difficult this far into the season to put in place?

How long have you been following Snyder ball.  Cause you got to be a rough ridin' idiot to think the coaches will play to the QB's strengths. 

actually something snyder has done traditionally pretty well, dimel not so much

Dimel seems to call a game based on what he wants to happen as opposed to what will probably happen if he calls it that way.

Honestly, "playcalling" usually is an indictment on talent as much as anything. While I'll agree there were many times what we were doing (or trying to d) left a lot to be desired Saturday, the injury situation at QB and the fact that this offense simply doesn't have many game breaking threats also plays into what we saw. We obviously have issues and/or inexperience at nearly every position on the field and those things create a lack of trust in players and what playcallers are willing to call. From talking to some former players, K-State consistently runs packages and plays that never see the field in games. Its no surprise that they go back to things they trust and are comfortable with, especially since Snyder and his staff have always been hyper-sensitive to avoiding turnovers. I think all of those things came into play as to what we saw, especially in the very ugly first half.

Jeff Schwinn in the game against Marshall is a prime example. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Whatever happened to adjusting play calling to the quarterback you have? Or is that just way too difficult this far into the season to put in place?

How long have you been following Snyder ball.  Cause you got to be a rough ridin' idiot to think the coaches will play to the QB's strengths. 

actually something snyder has done traditionally pretty well, dimel not so much

Dimel seems to call a game based on what he wants to happen as opposed to what will probably happen if he calls it that way.

Honestly, "playcalling" usually is an indictment on talent as much as anything. While I'll agree there were many times what we were doing (or trying to d) left a lot to be desired Saturday, the injury situation at QB and the fact that this offense simply doesn't have many game breaking threats also plays into what we saw. We obviously have issues and/or inexperience at nearly every position on the field and those things create a lack of trust in players and what playcallers are willing to call. From talking to some former players, K-State consistently runs packages and plays that never see the field in games. Its no surprise that they go back to things they trust and are comfortable with, especially since Snyder and his staff have always been hyper-sensitive to avoiding turnovers. I think all of those things came into play as to what we saw, especially in the very ugly first half.

The biggest frustration to me was going to the wildcat in short yardage situations so frequently. I guess you could say that playcalling is an indictment on talent in that case, too, since we took out our good running back and moved our QB to WR to run that package, but I don't think that is how you meant it.

[That_Guy]

Whatever happened to adjusting play calling to the quarterback you have? Or is that just way too difficult this far into the season to put in place?

How long have you been following Snyder ball.  Cause you got to be a rough ridin' idiot to think the coaches will play to the QB's strengths. 

actually something snyder has done traditionally pretty well, dimel not so much

Dimel seems to call a game based on what he wants to happen as opposed to what will probably happen if he calls it that way.

Honestly, "playcalling" usually is an indictment on talent as much as anything. While I'll agree there were many times what we were doing (or trying to d) left a lot to be desired Saturday, the injury situation at QB and the fact that this offense simply doesn't have many game breaking threats also plays into what we saw. We obviously have issues and/or inexperience at nearly every position on the field and those things create a lack of trust in players and what playcallers are willing to call. From talking to some former players, K-State consistently runs packages and plays that never see the field in games. Its no surprise that they go back to things they trust and are comfortable with, especially since Snyder and his staff have always been hyper-sensitive to avoiding turnovers. I think all of those things came into play as to what we saw, especially in the very ugly first half.

The biggest frustration to me was going to the wildcat in short yardage situations so frequently. I guess you could say that playcalling is an indictment on talent in that case, too, since we took out our good running back and moved our QB to WR to run that package, but I don't think that is how you meant it.

I'd say the biggest frustration for me is how incompetent our O-Line is. Remember seeing our RT get blown up numerous occasions saturday. 

[WildcatNkilt]

The Wildcat becomes less of a threat when we run it every single time.  If we ever threatened to pass it in Wildcat formation the defenses would be a little more disciplined.  Doesn't help that Jones dances in the backfield before hitting the hole. 

[kso_FAN]

The Wildcat becomes less of a threat when we run it every single time.  If we ever threatened to pass it in Wildcat formation the defenses would be a little more disciplined.  Doesn't help that Jones dances in the backfield before hitting the hole. 

My biggest complaint in Wildcat as that we line up in it and then stop and check with the sideline. If we aren't going to pass, the next best scenario is break the huddle, line up, and snap the ball as quick as possible. We did that after the big punt return and scored in two plays. At least then you have a chance that the defense won't have time to completely commit 9 to the box or you can get them misaligned. However, Charles usually stops, checks with the sideline and then the defense commits everyone to the box and blitzes multiple linebackers. Its just stupid.

[troubledscribe]

Any updates on whether Jonathan Banks is getting considerable reps at practice?  I doubt seriously that Joe Huebner will be able to carry the weight without a break, until Delton returns.

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This.

[kso_FAN]

The limitations they put on Hubener in the QB run game (he was clearly told to give on most read plays after the first play) tell me they want to keep the redshirt for Banks and they believe Delton will be back sooner than later to be a legit back-up. JMHO.

[420seriouscat69]

Any updates on whether Jonathan Banks is getting considerable reps at practice?  I doubt seriously that Joe Huebner will be able to carry the weight without a break, until Delton returns.

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This.

For the thousandth time, he's red shirting. I feel like we need a pinned thread that says:

BANKS ISN'T AVAILABLE!