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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #600 on: December 06, 2016, 07:09:03 PM »
To help keep Ertz healthy next year, and to use the talents of our other QBs, I would like to see us use Delton when we are grinding out the clock at the end of a half/game, and use Thompson for the two minute drill.

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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #601 on: December 06, 2016, 07:10:29 PM »
Sams had like the fourth highest QBR in the nation his last year here

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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #602 on: December 06, 2016, 07:32:48 PM »
To help keep Ertz healthy next year, and to use the talents of our other QBs, I would like to see us use Delton when we are grinding out the clock at the end of a half/game, and use Thompson for the two minute drill.
Won't happen.

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« Reply #603 on: December 06, 2016, 08:59:34 PM »
To help keep Ertz healthy next year, and to use the talents of our other QBs, I would like to see us use Delton when we are grinding out the clock at the end of a half/game, and use Thompson for the two minute drill.
Won't happen.

For good reason, that's insane, particularly the part about another qb playing only the last two minutes of the half in a must score situation.

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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #604 on: December 06, 2016, 09:02:12 PM »
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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #605 on: December 07, 2016, 12:10:20 AM »
Who is Thompson and why does Steffy think he is good?


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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #606 on: December 07, 2016, 06:55:56 AM »
Steffy is always bringing the hi iq stuff

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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #607 on: December 07, 2016, 08:26:47 AM »
Who is Thompson and why does Steffy think he is good?


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Because he isn't from Iowa or a walk on from Kansas.

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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #608 on: December 07, 2016, 08:44:55 AM »
Who is Thompson and why does Steffy think he is good?


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He's the highest rated QB Snyder's nabbed in Snyder 2.0 and since Ell. He continues to win the scout team award as well.

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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #609 on: December 07, 2016, 08:58:43 AM »
The coaches haven't really let the QB's throw a lot of slant routes in the past few years because it could lead to an INT.  But they let Jesse throw them.

He has a really, really nice command within 15 yards.  I generally have a high level of confidence on third down that he's going to throw a catchable ball to the right guy beyond the sticks.

If we had a receiver that could go get a jump ball, his YPA would be a hell of a lot higher, and we'd be discussing his bad ass 2000/1000 season.

his "jump ball" throws are terrible.

His jump balls aren't great but certainly catchable.  Some of it has to do with our receivers inability to establish position.

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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #610 on: December 07, 2016, 09:04:07 AM »
His jump ball throws usually are targeted to open receivers. He just underthrows them by enough that they have to stop. They wouldn't be jump ball throws if he were a better QB.

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« Reply #611 on: December 07, 2016, 09:11:06 AM »
Ya wtf, why don't we have more odell beckham-like receivers

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« Reply #612 on: December 07, 2016, 10:00:31 AM »
His jump ball throws usually are targeted to open receivers. He just underthrows them by enough that they have to stop. They wouldn't be jump ball throws if he were a better QB.

This is my biggest gripe with Ertz. Several times our receivers have had multiple steps on the defenders but have to come back for the ball. Ertz does a lot of things really well, but if he can improve the deep ball over the summer he'll have a chance to have a CK like season.

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« Reply #613 on: December 07, 2016, 10:02:17 AM »
He also tends to hold the ball way too long, which would really frustrate me, but it's so reminiscent of 2011 Klein I almost view it as a positive.

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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #614 on: December 07, 2016, 10:10:53 AM »
To help keep Ertz healthy next year, and to use the talents of our other QBs, I would like to see us use Delton when we are grinding out the clock at the end of a half/game, and use Thompson for the two minute drill.
Won't happen.

For good reason, that's insane, particularly the part about another qb playing only the last two minutes of the half in a must score situation.

Insane is my middle name.  Steffy Insane 08.

One could argue that it would be insane to ask Ertz to lead us on a two minute drive where he has to throw the ball down the field.  I'm hoping that the insanity associated with this idea is related solely to his bum shoulder.  If not, Thompson can't be any worse, particularly if he is just given this role to focus on during practices.

I know you love Ertz, MIR, and I like him too, but the reality is that his accuracy/decision-making this year do not lend themselves to a two-minute offense.  (Yes, I know he kindof did it at the end of the first half against UT.)

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« Reply #615 on: December 07, 2016, 10:23:43 AM »
To help keep Ertz healthy next year, and to use the talents of our other QBs, I would like to see us use Delton when we are grinding out the clock at the end of a half/game, and use Thompson for the two minute drill.
Won't happen.

For good reason, that's insane, particularly the part about another qb playing only the last two minutes of the half in a must score situation.

Insane is my middle name.  Steffy Insane 08.

One could argue that it would be insane to ask Ertz to lead us on a two minute drive where he has to throw the ball down the field.  I'm hoping that the insanity associated with this idea is related solely to his bum shoulder.  If not, Thompson can't be any worse, particularly if he is just given this role to focus on during practices.

I know you love Ertz, MIR, and I like him too, but the reality is that his accuracy/decision-making this year do not lend themselves to a two-minute offense.  (Yes, I know he kindof did it at the end of the first half against UT.)

Your idea being ridiculous has nothing to do with Sisco and Thompson. Make Sisco Kevin Lopina and make Thompson Tom Brady. Why in the hell would you sit a guy for three hours that you then rely upon for the most critical drive of the game?

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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #616 on: December 07, 2016, 10:30:53 AM »
To help keep Ertz healthy next year, and to use the talents of our other QBs, I would like to see us use Delton when we are grinding out the clock at the end of a half/game, and use Thompson for the two minute drill.

I'd like to think we'd use Delton in our Wildcat formation exclusively but that has about as much chance of happening as Thompson doing the two minute drill. Glad MIR already cleaned this up.

FTR I'm probably more ok with Dimel getting some of the Wildcat carries than others on here, but it needs to be significantly reduced, and mostly to very short yardage situations where being a bigger back makes sense and he can use that size to push. The fact we sometimes trot him out there to do Wildcat on anything requiring more than 3 yards (which we've done a lot of) is so dumb dumb baby of Dimel (doesn't matter father or son I blame both) I can't get over it. But Delton Wildcating on first or 2nd and goal from the 4-9 yard line is a great decision and I'd wish we do it more.
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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #617 on: December 07, 2016, 10:41:47 AM »
We have zero examples of quarterbacks in a Snyder system making a considerable jump in passing ability from their first to second years.

Literally never happened.  Especially the guy with the funky motion that won the Unitas award.

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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #618 on: December 07, 2016, 11:40:43 AM »
To help keep Ertz healthy next year, and to use the talents of our other QBs, I would like to see us use Delton when we are grinding out the clock at the end of a half/game, and use Thompson for the two minute drill.
Won't happen.

For good reason, that's insane, particularly the part about another qb playing only the last two minutes of the half in a must score situation.

Insane is my middle name.  Steffy Insane 08.

One could argue that it would be insane to ask Ertz to lead us on a two minute drive where he has to throw the ball down the field.  I'm hoping that the insanity associated with this idea is related solely to his bum shoulder.  If not, Thompson can't be any worse, particularly if he is just given this role to focus on during practices.

I know you love Ertz, MIR, and I like him too, but the reality is that his accuracy/decision-making this year do not lend themselves to a two-minute offense.  (Yes, I know he kindof did it at the end of the first half against UT.)

Your idea being ridiculous has nothing to do with Sisco and Thompson. Make Sisco Kevin Lopina and make Thompson Tom Brady. Why in the hell would you sit a guy for three hours that you then rely upon for the most critical drive of the game?
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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #619 on: December 07, 2016, 12:06:05 PM »
To help keep Ertz healthy next year, and to use the talents of our other QBs, I would like to see us use Delton when we are grinding out the clock at the end of a half/game, and use Thompson for the two minute drill.
Won't happen.

For good reason, that's insane, particularly the part about another qb playing only the last two minutes of the half in a must score situation.

Insane is my middle name.  Steffy Insane 08.

One could argue that it would be insane to ask Ertz to lead us on a two minute drive where he has to throw the ball down the field.  I'm hoping that the insanity associated with this idea is related solely to his bum shoulder.  If not, Thompson can't be any worse, particularly if he is just given this role to focus on during practices.

I know you love Ertz, MIR, and I like him too, but the reality is that his accuracy/decision-making this year do not lend themselves to a two-minute offense.  (Yes, I know he kindof did it at the end of the first half against UT.)

Your idea being ridiculous has nothing to do with Sisco and Thompson. Make Sisco Kevin Lopina and make Thompson Tom Brady. Why in the hell would you sit a guy for three hours that you then rely upon for the most critical drive of the game?

If Thompson is Brady, I'm in favor of playing him the whole game.

But to answer your question:  different skills sets, brah.  Thompson (maybe) is better equipped to run a two-minute offense if we are forced to do so.  That does not mean that Thompson is better equipped to run the offense we want to run most of the game.  It's not that hard to understand, really.

I doubt we do it; my initial post said I hope we do it.  So to people responding by saying "we will never do it"--I agree you are probably right.


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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #620 on: December 07, 2016, 12:11:36 PM »
Okay, I'll indulge your ridiculous hypothetical. Lets say Thompson has this incredibly unique skill set that he can only maximize his ability in the two minutes drill. Would he still have this amazing skill after sitting for three hours and not having any sense at all of the speed of the game he's entering?

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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #621 on: December 07, 2016, 12:26:08 PM »
Okay, I'll indulge your ridiculous hypothetical. Lets say Thompson has this incredibly unique skill set that he can only maximize his ability in the two minutes drill. Would he still have this amazing skill after sitting for three hours and not having any sense at all of the speed of the game he's entering?

Don't indulge him, please.

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« Reply #622 on: December 07, 2016, 01:17:08 PM »
We have zero examples of quarterbacks in a Snyder system making a considerable jump in passing ability from their first to second years.

Literally never happened.  Especially the guy with the funky motion that won the Unitas award.

This.

Here is a chart of all 2nd year Snyder QBs (and 3rd for Ell) and there is improvement in nearly every category. Note, this doesn't include the bowl game for Ertz, but his numbers are still very solid. Also, this accounts for the average improvement of all of these QBs in their 2nd years (+ Ell's 3rd) and its probably more likely Ertz surpasses the average if he stays healthy IMO.


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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #623 on: December 07, 2016, 01:21:14 PM »
That ball security by Ertz.  :love:

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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #624 on: December 07, 2016, 01:52:32 PM »
We have zero examples of quarterbacks in a Snyder system making a considerable jump in passing ability from their first to second years.

Literally never happened.  Especially the guy with the funky motion that won the Unitas award.

This.

Here is a chart of all 2nd year Snyder QBs (and 3rd for Ell) and there is improvement in nearly every category. Note, this doesn't include the bowl game for Ertz, but his numbers are still very solid. Also, this accounts for the average improvement of all of these QBs in their 2nd years (+ Ell's 3rd) and its probably more likely Ertz surpasses the average if he stays healthy IMO.

I've always felt that it's mostly (not entirely) a byproduct of the coaching staff allowing the QB's to do more in the offense.  The diversity of play calls in year two for all of these guys is much greater, and they're allowed more freedom to spread the ball down the field.

Of course, there's always the fact that we drill the crap out of them over the winter in the film room, they get added reps in the Spring and Summer as the clear #1, etc.  But there is something systemic in what we do that accounts for this jump, and I remember how much they opened the book up for Ell, Klein, Waters, etc. in year two.  I feel that's a pretty significant variable.