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Re: The Trump Candidacy
« Reply #5375 on: November 01, 2016, 09:36:58 AM »
I don't think early voting is any indicator of how the independent undecided will vote, as they are usually too stupid to know that's an option.

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« Reply #5376 on: November 01, 2016, 09:43:43 AM »
Who knew panjy was such a dumbass. Polls are swinging heavily to Trump. Early voting is whatever after a bomb like the FBI thing has dropped. Though I still think rigging can happen.

Anyways Trump is leading on Washington Post - ABC poll. :driving:

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Re: The Trump Candidacy
« Reply #5377 on: November 01, 2016, 09:56:32 AM »
According to this map there are 8 toss up states. I think each candidate has as good a chance as the other to win them. Trump basically needs to win all of them.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html

The most recent poll in each state has him leading in all, except Colorado where he is down 1 point.

As all this news about hillary and the dnc's bullshit, cronyism, cheating, lying and fraud continues to break, it isn't beyond  the realm of possibility that he wins all those states.

I don't think early voting is any indicator of how the independent undecided will vote, as they are usually too stupid to know that's an option.

I don't like RCP.  Unless I'm missing something, they don't weight the polls differently based on quality like FiveThirtyEight does.

Here's the thing about all of the polls that flummoxes me.  I hear one side say that there are a lot of "hidden" Trump voters that will not admit to voting for Trump in a phone poll, but when I actually read some of the polling data in a lot of these individual states, Hillary is winning large demographic groups that are critical to winning the election.

Trump can't lean on white men and women without college degrees if she's winning women overall and obliterating him with minorities and those with college degrees.

Something has to give.  I fully believe these polls are under-representing something, at least a tiny bit, but the overwhelming amount of data says that even in his best times, he's been an arm or hands length away from her, and in her best times, she's been two car lengths ahead.

Even with the Comey news, I wouldn't be at all surprised if she still wins this thing by 4-5 points, nationally, and gets close to 300 electoral college votes.  I firmly believe he's walking away with Iowa and Ohio, but I think she still holds onto CO, PA, NH, NV and mayyyyyybe North Carolina.

I will not even venture a guess on Florida.  That's always a coin flip.

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« Reply #5378 on: November 01, 2016, 09:58:17 AM »
Who knew panjy was such a dumbass. Polls are swinging heavily to Trump. Early voting is whatever after a bomb like the FBI thing has dropped. Though I still think rigging can happen.

Anyways Trump is leading on Washington Post - ABC poll. :driving:

I don't care about national polls.  I care about the sum total of state polls.

And I think the email thing will subside in a few days, and we'll stabilize again right before election day.

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Re: The Trump Candidacy
« Reply #5379 on: November 01, 2016, 10:01:40 AM »
Another thing about early voting...

A lot of old people vote early, and old people are voting for Trump.  If Hillary continues to have a strong lead in early voting, that may be a dent on election day.

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Re: The Trump Candidacy
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« Reply #5381 on: November 01, 2016, 10:14:44 AM »
The very premise that ppl are too ashamed to admit to anonymous polls that they are voting for trump seems completely ridiculous to me.  I mean, can we all just admit that this is a talking point and not reality?

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Re: The Trump Candidacy
« Reply #5382 on: November 01, 2016, 10:17:10 AM »
The very premise that ppl are too ashamed to admit to anonymous polls that they are voting for trump seems completely ridiculous to me.  I mean, can we all just admit that this is a talking point and not reality?

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« Reply #5383 on: November 01, 2016, 10:26:11 AM »
The very premise that ppl are too ashamed to admit to anonymous polls that they are voting for trump seems completely ridiculous to me.  I mean, can we all just admit that this is a talking point and not reality?

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But what does Trey Parker and Matt Stone think?  And has anyone talked to Bill Watterson lately?

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Re: The Trump Candidacy
« Reply #5384 on: November 01, 2016, 10:31:35 AM »
Good God, stunz.  You're linking 4chan?

Are you on the God Emperor Trump subreddit?

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Re: The Trump Candidacy
« Reply #5385 on: November 01, 2016, 10:33:58 AM »
Good God, stunz.  You're linking 4chan?

Are you on the God Emperor Trump subreddit?

Do you even stunz bro?
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Re: The Trump Candidacy
« Reply #5386 on: November 01, 2016, 10:34:28 AM »
Good God, stunz.  You're linking 4chan?

Are you on the God Emperor Trump subreddit?

what's wrong with them? are they russian sources?

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Re: The Trump Candidacy
« Reply #5387 on: November 01, 2016, 10:34:44 AM »
Two points to Panflutetard and I'll listen off the air:

1. I don't believe early voting results are released. I don't know what you're relying on for this hidden hilltard advantage. Early exit polls? In any event, I would guess the demogogueocrats have had a decided advantage in this front since they started mass registerimg their indoctrinated constituency years ago.

2. I don't really care what anecdotal garbage you're relying upon for your "feelings" that hilltard will prevail. I just noted that the most recent poll (the one taken after more of her bullshit came out) shows Trump pulling ahead in the states he needs to win the election.

Honestly, I still think Hilltard will win in spite of her being the most demonstrably incapable and incompetent person ever to run for the white house. Trump is that wtf of a candidte.
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Re: The Trump Candidacy
« Reply #5388 on: November 01, 2016, 10:39:18 AM »
clinton foundation could be trafficking humans and sex slaves and panjina would still back hillary

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Re: The Trump Candidacy
« Reply #5389 on: November 01, 2016, 10:54:22 AM »
The very premise that ppl are too ashamed to admit to anonymous polls that they are voting for trump seems completely ridiculous to me.  I mean, can we all just admit that this is a talking point and not reality?

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How bad are your persuasion powers if you won't even admit to supporting someone anonymously?
Hyperbolic partisan duplicitous hypocrite

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Re: The Trump Candidacy
« Reply #5390 on: November 01, 2016, 11:26:37 AM »
Two points to Panflutetard and I'll listen off the air:

1. I don't believe early voting results are released. I don't know what you're relying on for this hidden hilltard advantage. Early exit polls? In any event, I would guess the demogogueocrats have had a decided advantage in this front since they started mass registerimg their indoctrinated constituency years ago.

2. I don't really care what anecdotal garbage you're relying upon for your "feelings" that hilltard will prevail. I just noted that the most recent poll (the one taken after more of her bullshit came out) shows Trump pulling ahead in the states he needs to win the election.

Honestly, I still think Hilltard will win in spite of her being the most demonstrably incapable and incompetent person ever to run for the white house. Trump is that wtf of a candidte.

There are groups that track early voting data.  Most of it is based on how many Democrats or Republicans have voted.  It's assuming registered Dems and Pubs are voting party lines, which is a safe assumption.  http://www.electproject.org/early_2016

Again, FiveThirtyEight has a better method of rating polls.  A lot of the most recent ones are from the same polling firm (Remington).  So, we won't know where the race really stands post Comey until later this week.

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Re: The Trump Candidacy
« Reply #5391 on: November 01, 2016, 12:10:53 PM »
According to this map there are 8 toss up states. I think each candidate has as good a chance as the other to win them. Trump basically needs to win all of them.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html

The most recent poll in each state has him leading in all, except Colorado where he is down 1 point.

As all this news about hillary and the dnc's bullshit, cronyism, cheating, lying and fraud continues to break, it isn't beyond  the realm of possibility that he wins all those states.

I don't think early voting is any indicator of how the independent undecided will vote, as they are usually too stupid to know that's an option.

Don't forget about the bomb James O'Keefe is going to drop this week!

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Re: The Trump Candidacy
« Reply #5392 on: November 01, 2016, 12:21:34 PM »
Quote from:  liberal rag WSJ
Signatories include economists Angus Deaton of Princeton University, who won the economics Nobel last year, and Oliver Hart of Harvard University, who was one of the two Nobel winners this year.

The letter is notable because it is less partisan or ideological than such quadrennial exercises, and instead takes issue with Mr. Trump’s history of promoting debunked falsehoods.

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We, the undersigned economists, represent a broad variety of areas of expertise and are united in
our opposition to Donald Trump. We recommend that voters choose a different candidate on the
following grounds:
? He degrades trust in vital public institutions that collect and disseminate information
about the economy, such as the Bureau of Labor Statistics, by spreading disinformation
about the integrity of their work.
? He has misled voters in states like Ohio and Michigan by asserting that the renegotiation
of NAFTA or the imposition of tariffs on China would substantially increase employment
in manufacturing. In fact, manufacturing’s share of employment has been declining since
the 1970s and is mostly related to automation, not trade.
? He claims to champion former manufacturing workers, but has no plan to assist their
transition to well-compensated service sector positions. Instead, he has diverted the
policy discussion to options that ignore both the reality of technological progress and the
benefits of international trade.
? He has misled the public by asserting that U.S. manufacturing has declined. The location
and product composition of manufacturing has changed, but the level of output has more
than doubled in the U.S. since the 1980s.
? He has falsely suggested that trade is zero-sum and that the “toughness” of negotiators
primarily drives trade deficits.
? He has misled the public with false statements about trade agreements eroding national
income and wealth. Although the gains have not been equally distributed—and this is an
important discussion in itself—both mean income and mean wealth
have risen substantially in the U.S. since the 1980s.
? He has lowered the seriousness of the national dialogue by suggesting that the
elimination of the Environmental Protection Agency or the Department of Education
would significantly reduce the fiscal deficit. A credible solution will require an increase
in tax revenue and/or a reduction in spending on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, or
Defense.
? He claims he will eliminate the fiscal deficit, but has proposed a plan that would decrease
tax revenue by $2.6 to $5.9 trillion over the next decade according to the non-partisan
Tax Foundation.
? He claims that he will reduce the trade deficit, but has proposed a reduction in public
saving that is likely to increase it.
? He uses immigration as a red herring to mislead voters about issues of economic
importance, such as the stagnation of wages for households with low levels of education.
Several forces are responsible for this, but immigration appears to play only a modest
role. Focusing the dialogue on this channel, rather than more substantive channels, such
as automation, diverts the public debate to unproductive policy options.
? He has misled the electorate by asserting that the U.S. is one of the most heavily taxed
countries. While the U.S. has a high top statutory corporate tax rate, the average effective
rate is much lower, and taxes on income and consumption are relatively low. Overall, the
U.S. has one of the lowest ratios of tax revenue to GDP in the OECD.
? His statements reveal a deep ignorance of economics and an inability to listen to credible
experts. He repeats fake and misleading economic statistics, and pushes fallacies about
the VAT and trade competitiveness.
? He promotes magical thinking and conspiracy theories over sober assessments of feasible
economic policy options.
Donald Trump is a dangerous, destructive choice for the country. He misinforms the electorate,
degrades trust in public institutions with conspiracy theories, and promotes willful delusion over
engagement with reality. If elected, he poses a unique danger to the functioning of democratic
and economic institutions, and to the prosperity of the country. For these reasons, we strongly
recommend that you do not vote for Donald Trump.
Signed,
Jason Abaluck, Yale University
Dilip J. Abreu, Princeton University
Daron Acemoglu, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Amir Ali Ahmadi, Princeton University
Mohammad Akbarpour, Stanford University
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Don Waldman, Colgate University
Xiao Yu Wang, Duke University
Leonard Wantchekon, Princeton University
Mark Watson, Princeton University
Jonathan Weinstein, Washington University, St. Louis
Birger Wernerfelt, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Ivan Werning, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Silvia Weyerbrock, Princeton University
E. Glen Weyl, Yale University
Roger White, Whittier College
Andrea Wilson, Georgetown University
Larry Wimmer, Brigham Young University
Justin Wolfers, University of Michigan
Catherine Wolfram, University of California, Berkeley
Richard Woodward, Texas A&M University
Jeffrey Wooldridge, Michigan State University
oscar Wydick, University of San Francisco
Dean Yang, University of Michigan
Muhamet Yildiz, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Pai-Ling Yin, University of Southern California
Gary Yohe, Wesleyan University
Thomas C. Youle, Dartmouth College
Albert Zevelev, Baruch College
Frederick Zimmerman, University of California, Los Angeles
Seth Zimmerman, University of Chicago
Eric Zivot, University of Washington
NOTE: Institutions are listed for identification purposes and should not be viewed as signatories
to the letter.

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Re: The Trump Candidacy
« Reply #5393 on: November 01, 2016, 12:24:39 PM »
Bunch of foreign names in there
Hyperbolic partisan duplicitous hypocrite

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Re: The Trump Candidacy
« Reply #5394 on: November 01, 2016, 12:30:16 PM »
According to this map there are 8 toss up states. I think each candidate has as good a chance as the other to win them. Trump basically needs to win all of them.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html

The most recent poll in each state has him leading in all, except Colorado where he is down 1 point.

As all this news about hillary and the dnc's bullshit, cronyism, cheating, lying and fraud continues to break, it isn't beyond  the realm of possibility that he wins all those states.

I don't think early voting is any indicator of how the independent undecided will vote, as they are usually too stupid to know that's an option.

Don't forget about the bomb James O'Keefe is going to drop this week!

wait, was the donald duck costume thing the kill switch for the kill switch video? Or is the next one the REALLY big one?

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Re: The Trump Candidacy
« Reply #5395 on: November 01, 2016, 12:31:12 PM »
Liberal economists!  :curse:

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Re: The Trump Candidacy
« Reply #5396 on: November 01, 2016, 12:32:10 PM »
Liberal economists!  :curse:

yeah, if anything this will spur uneducated whites to vote for trump even harder

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Re: The Trump Candidacy
« Reply #5397 on: November 01, 2016, 12:32:41 PM »
According to this map there are 8 toss up states. I think each candidate has as good a chance as the other to win them. Trump basically needs to win all of them.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html

The most recent poll in each state has him leading in all, except Colorado where he is down 1 point.

As all this news about hillary and the dnc's bullshit, cronyism, cheating, lying and fraud continues to break, it isn't beyond  the realm of possibility that he wins all those states.

I don't think early voting is any indicator of how the independent undecided will vote, as they are usually too stupid to know that's an option.

Don't forget about the bomb James O'Keefe is going to drop this week!

wait, was the donald duck costume thing the kill switch for the kill switch video? Or is the next one the REALLY big one?

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/792507399097708544

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Re: The Trump Candidacy
« Reply #5398 on: November 01, 2016, 12:32:50 PM »
Quote from:  liberal rag WSJ
Signatories include economists Angus Deaton of Princeton University, who won the economics Nobel last year, and Oliver Hart of Harvard University, who was one of the two Nobel winners this year.

The letter is notable because it is less partisan or ideological than such quadrennial exercises, and instead takes issue with Mr. Trump’s history of promoting debunked falsehoods.

What a rough ridin' pointless exercise.

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Re: The Trump Candidacy
« Reply #5399 on: November 01, 2016, 12:39:08 PM »
i tweeted that at scott adams, and he gave it a d- for persuasion. too long-winded, not very direct, too many big words that don't hit. lots of names - who cares? are they trying to just sound smart or persuade?

personally i give it a c+ because i think you're a cool guy