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« Reply #3575 on: August 03, 2016, 12:11:00 PM »
I'm seriously sick of this self fulfilling prophecy, though. It's the same mindset that has tried to suppress every worthwhile movement: "Sure, change would be nice but it's not like there is much we can do to make a difference with so many other people currently entrenched."

it can change over time, but not over the next 100 days.

It can't change over time if the attitude each election cycle is that it can't be changed in an impactful way. If ever there was a time for people to seek out a candidate they can support it would be now, and it should continue that way going forward. People need to start taking responsibility for who they choose to represent them, the failure to do so has put us in a position where both major candidates are disliked by a majority of the population.

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« Reply #3576 on: August 03, 2016, 12:14:02 PM »
I don't believe that any will until the money is changed.  There is zero incentive to change until the representation of actual constituents means more to individual campaigns, and the parties themselves, than they do now.

while admitting that i haven't looked at the issue much, afaik, the evidence that large amounts of money impacts election results is pretty skimpy (not having minimum threshold amounts does, but arguably may be more of a symptom than a cause).  if you know of evidence to the contrary, please make me aware of it.

I would have to look it up, but i believe there is a direct correlation btwn money spent and success.  That said, social media is no doubt changing that right now.  I also don't think we are specifically talking only about elections, but perhaps favor when actually legislating.  I mean, there are plenty of examples of outrageous things plugged into bills that seem to fit no other agenda than benefiting one specific entity. 



but regardless, without proportional representation, the money you are talking about will impact who wins primaries and which of the major parties wins generals, not the establishment of a multi-party stasis.

The parties are the two entities benefitting from PACs as the system stands.  If you severely limit their effect by limiting the money, it would certainly help level the playing field some.  Again, there are still other major issue, such as who controls the debate committee/polls/etc, but changing that stuff doesn't matter if you have third party candidates who simply can't raise the PAC contributions like a Dem or Pub. 

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« Reply #3577 on: August 03, 2016, 12:15:24 PM »
People need to start taking responsibility for who they choose to represent them, the failure to do so has put us in a position where both major candidates are disliked by a majority of the population.

i agree that people should consider voting for third parties.  that is a different issue than what will happen in the upcoming election.  there is an approximately 0% chance that the candidate of one of major parties won't win.
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« Reply #3578 on: August 03, 2016, 12:21:28 PM »
People need to start taking responsibility for who they choose to represent them, the failure to do so has put us in a position where both major candidates are disliked by a majority of the population.

i agree that people should consider voting for third parties.  that is a different issue than what will happen in the upcoming election.  there is an approximately 0% chance that the candidate of one of major parties won't win.

This is correct. 

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« Reply #3579 on: August 03, 2016, 12:23:58 PM »
I also don't think we are specifically talking only about elections, but perhaps favor when actually legislating.  I mean, there are plenty of examples of outrageous things plugged into bills that seem to fit no other agenda than benefiting one specific entity.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/07/how-american-politics-went-insane/485570/


The parties are the two entities benefitting from PACs as the system stands.  If you severely limit their effect by limiting the money, it would certainly help level the playing field some.  Again, there are still other major issue, such as who controls the debate committee/polls/etc, but changing that stuff doesn't matter if you have third party candidates who simply can't raise the PAC contributions like a Dem or Pub.

it's really just math.  in a winner take all system, multiple parties is not a stable state, contraction of different interest groups into coalitions is the winning strategy that almost inevitably leads to the formation and maintenance of two parties.



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« Reply #3580 on: August 03, 2016, 12:37:54 PM »
it's kind of surprising, but trump is actually very stupid.  at first I thought he was a pretty bright guy, at least in some respects, but after reading and hearing him talk extemporaneously about some major issues, it's apparent that he's really just a dumb guy.

there are posters on this blogsite (on both sides of the aisle!) that are much smarter than the republican nominee.

lesson here:  there are LOTS of dumb multi-millionaires/billionaires out there.  especially when they started life as multi-millionaires/billionaires.

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« Reply #3581 on: August 03, 2016, 12:53:23 PM »
trump responds to his republican critics.

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Even if people don’t like me, they have to vote for me. They have no choice. Even if you can’t stand Donald Trump, you think Donald Trump is the worst, you’re going to vote for me.
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« Reply #3582 on: August 03, 2016, 12:53:39 PM »
Sounds like the perfect time to vote for a 3rd party.

Oh wait, wait.   The most viable third party candidate may have said something racist, maybe.   So instead you'll vote for a pandering White elitist who is married to a man who idolized a huge segregationist.  A woman who by many accounts is a closeted racist who snuggles with former KKK leaders and takes millions from the biggest misogynistic racists on the planet. 

He might not spend (borrow) that extra trillion a year to pay for all that "free" stuff. 

Oh, and he's for corporate prisons!!   Meanwhile Hillary (and husband) championed and signed draconian (racist) sentencing legislation that helped fill the prisons to the breaking point.

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« Reply #3583 on: August 03, 2016, 01:24:25 PM »
Sounds like the perfect time to vote for a 3rd party.

Oh wait, wait.   The most viable third party candidate may have said something racist, maybe.   So instead you'll vote for a pandering White elitist who is married to a man who idolized a huge segregationist.  A woman who by many accounts is a closeted racist who snuggles with former KKK leaders and takes millions from the biggest misogynistic racists on the planet. 

He might not spend (borrow) that extra trillion a year to pay for all that "free" stuff. 

Oh, and he's for corporate prisons!!   Meanwhile Hillary (and husband) championed and signed draconian (racist) sentencing legislation that helped fill the prisons to the breaking point.

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You will probably have a lot more success getting republicans to vote 3rd party, Dax. Libertarians are more closely aligned with them.

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« Reply #3584 on: August 03, 2016, 01:25:14 PM »
I also don't think we are specifically talking only about elections, but perhaps favor when actually legislating.  I mean, there are plenty of examples of outrageous things plugged into bills that seem to fit no other agenda than benefiting one specific entity.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/07/how-american-politics-went-insane/485570/


The parties are the two entities benefitting from PACs as the system stands.  If you severely limit their effect by limiting the money, it would certainly help level the playing field some.  Again, there are still other major issue, such as who controls the debate committee/polls/etc, but changing that stuff doesn't matter if you have third party candidates who simply can't raise the PAC contributions like a Dem or Pub.

it's really just math.  in a winner take all system, multiple parties is not a stable state, contraction of different interest groups into coalitions is the winning strategy that almost inevitably leads to the formation and maintenance of two parties.



That was a frustrating article.  Either we are ok with corruption or we are ok with chaos.  Maybe we are too big of a country to have it any other way? 

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« Reply #3585 on: August 03, 2016, 01:48:55 PM »
Sounds like the perfect time to vote for a 3rd party.

Oh wait, wait.   The most viable third party candidate may have said something racist, maybe.   So instead you'll vote for a pandering White elitist who is married to a man who idolized a huge segregationist.  A woman who by many accounts is a closeted racist who snuggles with former KKK leaders and takes millions from the biggest misogynistic racists on the planet. 

He might not spend (borrow) that extra trillion a year to pay for all that "free" stuff. 

Oh, and he's for corporate prisons!!   Meanwhile Hillary (and husband) championed and signed draconian (racist) sentencing legislation that helped fill the prisons to the breaking point.

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This is funny coming from a trump supporter
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« Reply #3586 on: August 03, 2016, 01:50:17 PM »
Sounds like the perfect time to vote for a 3rd party.

Oh wait, wait.   The most viable third party candidate may have said something racist, maybe.   So instead you'll vote for a pandering White elitist who is married to a man who idolized a huge segregationist.  A woman who by many accounts is a closeted racist who snuggles with former KKK leaders and takes millions from the biggest misogynistic racists on the planet. 

He might not spend (borrow) that extra trillion a year to pay for all that "free" stuff. 

Oh, and he's for corporate prisons!!   Meanwhile Hillary (and husband) championed and signed draconian (racist) sentencing legislation that helped fill the prisons to the breaking point.

Sad

This is funny coming from a trump supporter

A registered independent voting for Johnson, that's what you meant to say.

Have we gotten a screed where you explain why you hate Hillary but are voting for her out of you yet?   I enjoy the rationalizations.

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« Reply #3587 on: August 03, 2016, 01:59:21 PM »
Sounds like the perfect time to vote for a 3rd party.

Oh wait, wait.   The most viable third party candidate may have said something racist, maybe.   So instead you'll vote for a pandering White elitist who is married to a man who idolized a huge segregationist.  A woman who by many accounts is a closeted racist who snuggles with former KKK leaders and takes millions from the biggest misogynistic racists on the planet. 

He might not spend (borrow) that extra trillion a year to pay for all that "free" stuff. 

Oh, and he's for corporate prisons!!   Meanwhile Hillary (and husband) championed and signed draconian (racist) sentencing legislation that helped fill the prisons to the breaking point.

Sad

This is funny coming from a trump supporter

A registered independent voting for Johnson, that's what you meant to say.

Have we gotten a screed where you explain why you hate Hillary but are voting for her out of you yet?   I enjoy the rationalizations.

You aren't fooling anyone Dax, you love trump and it's fairly obvious. I don't really understand why you have such a hard time admitting it on this blog. You literally can't stand by and let anyone disparage him. I bet you take a cialis before you get in the booth and "pull the lever" for trumpence2016.  Make racists president again!!!
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« Reply #3588 on: August 03, 2016, 02:08:59 PM »
I genuinely enjoy how rough ridin' stupid stunted and cat27 are.

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« Reply #3589 on: August 03, 2016, 02:13:30 PM »
Sounds like the perfect time to vote for a 3rd party.

Oh wait, wait.   The most viable third party candidate may have said something racist, maybe.   So instead you'll vote for a pandering White elitist who is married to a man who idolized a huge segregationist.  A woman who by many accounts is a closeted racist who snuggles with former KKK leaders and takes millions from the biggest misogynistic racists on the planet. 

He might not spend (borrow) that extra trillion a year to pay for all that "free" stuff. 

Oh, and he's for corporate prisons!!   Meanwhile Hillary (and husband) championed and signed draconian (racist) sentencing legislation that helped fill the prisons to the breaking point.

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This is funny coming from a trump supporter

A registered independent voting for Johnson, that's what you meant to say.

Have we gotten a screed where you explain why you hate Hillary but are voting for her out of you yet?   I enjoy the rationalizations.

You aren't fooling anyone Dax, you love trump and it's fairly obvious. I don't really understand why you have such a hard time admitting it on this blog. You literally can't stand by and let anyone disparage him. I bet you take a cialis before you get in the booth and "pull the lever" for trumpence2016.  Make racists president again!!!

I've disparaged him as well.  I just love to get into how Hillary has in reality been way worse in actual real life then any words coming out of Trumps mouth.  This is the best place to do that because this is where DemoLemmings like you congregate.

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« Reply #3590 on: August 03, 2016, 02:21:47 PM »
Dax goes 6 to midnight everytime trump mentions using nuclear weapons on brown people. Make the middle east glass again! #trumpence2016
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« Reply #3591 on: August 03, 2016, 02:30:11 PM »
Dax goes 6 to midnight everytime trump mentions using nuclear weapons on brown people. Make the middle east glass again! #trumpence2016

Yeah, the same guy excoriating Obama and Clinton ME war Mongering really wants to nuke them.  :rolleyes :lib7jerk

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« Reply #3592 on: August 03, 2016, 02:31:09 PM »
Well dislike and ire against Hillary is like the first pillar of Trump's platform.

But I actually have substance, unlike Trump.

But please, a real candidate would be demoralizing Hillary right now, with real life facts about her deplorable track record.  She's only going to win because Trump is an idiot.   
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« Reply #3593 on: August 03, 2016, 03:08:24 PM »
dax, you are too smart to waste your vote. your hatred of Hillary and fact that you live in a swing state will lead you to vote for Trump in November. Will you ever be able to live with yourself if Clinton wins NC?

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« Reply #3594 on: August 03, 2016, 03:12:02 PM »
dax, you are too smart to waste your vote. your hatred of Hillary and fact that you live in a swing state will lead you to vote for Trump in November. Will you ever be able to live with yourself if Clinton wins NC?

I'm not the least bit concerned about her winning because corruption always prevails in the United States.  She's running against an idiot who doesn't deserve my vote.   Like I said a real candidate could literally wrap Hillary in a clown suit at every turn, but Trump is too dumb or purposely throwing this thing. 

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« Reply #3595 on: August 03, 2016, 03:13:54 PM »
The nation is full of Daxes that were powerless to stop Trump from happening because they registered I.

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« Reply #3596 on: August 03, 2016, 03:17:40 PM »
The nation is full of Daxes that were powerless to stop Trump from happening because they registered I.

How about an anemic effort by multiple R candidates.  I would have never voted for Trump in a primary. 

I was and remain very disappointed in Jeb.  He's much better and smarter then his brother and he would have listened to the elder about Iraq.

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« Reply #3597 on: August 03, 2016, 03:26:27 PM »
The nation is full of Daxes that were powerless to stop Trump from happening because they registered I.

I don't know if I registered 'pub or not but when I went to the primary they asked if I wanted 'pub or 'crat.  :dunno: Is dax's state the same?

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« Reply #3598 on: August 03, 2016, 03:33:52 PM »
I registered pub because I live in KS.

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« Reply #3599 on: August 03, 2016, 03:35:44 PM »
The nation is full of Daxes that were powerless to stop Trump from happening because they registered I.

I don't know if I registered 'pub or not but when I went to the primary they asked if I wanted 'pub or 'crat.  :dunno: Is dax's state the same?

Well, in Kansas, you have to vote what your are registered as. You are allowed to affiliate with a party on election day as long as you are registered 21 days prior, but you can't vote and still be an I when you leave. Most states are similar, but there are some states that let independents vote in primaries.