Author Topic: The Trump Candidacy (Read 441321 times)

Dub · « **Reply #350 on:** July 28, 2015, 05:19:07 PM »

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Sarah Palin serving in a Trump administration? 'I'd love that,' he says

Panjandrum · « **Reply #351 on:** July 29, 2015, 01:23:09 PM »

Quote from: treysolid on July 28, 2015, 01:37:24 PM

Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on July 28, 2015, 11:15:32 AM
Trump's lead is getting really big. I'm starting to think he might win even after some of the other guys drop out.

There's no way. Every other 'Pub candidate hates trump to their core. When they start folding, they'll endorse non-trump candidates and their base will follow suit.

Their bases have already gone over to Trump. Except Rick Santorum's. I think his base will probably just sit that one out and pray for Judgement Day.

Yard Dog · « **Reply #352 on:** July 30, 2015, 08:50:37 AM »

Quote from: Panjandrum on July 29, 2015, 01:23:09 PM

Quote from: treysolid on July 28, 2015, 01:37:24 PM
Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on July 28, 2015, 11:15:32 AM
Trump's lead is getting really big. I'm starting to think he might win even after some of the other guys drop out.

There's no way. Every other 'Pub candidate hates trump to their core. When they start folding, they'll endorse non-trump candidates and their base will follow suit.

Their bases have already gone over to Trump. Except Rick Santorum's. I think his base will probably just sit that one out and pray for Judgement Day.

I'm hoping / expecting the fervor to die down when we actually get some debates going. I still believe that a good amount of people who actually vote in primaries will be educated enough to follow the debates and make an educated decision. Just because someone calls up a voter in Iowa and asks who they would vote for if the election was today doesn't mean they will actually show up to the polls or keep that opinion for six months.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #353 on:** July 30, 2015, 08:53:32 AM »

Republican voters are very low information voters tho, so that's a positive for trump

Asteriskhead · « **Reply #354 on:** July 30, 2015, 09:06:06 AM »

The serious GOP candidates are auditioning for the kochs over the next few weeks. things will change soon.

Yard Dog · « **Reply #355 on:** July 30, 2015, 09:19:22 AM »

Quote from: roidhead on July 30, 2015, 09:06:06 AM

The serious GOP candidates are auditioning for the kochs over the next few weeks. things will change soon.

I realize that is supposed to be a dig, but considering I have a very high opinion of the Koch brothers, I'd have to say this is a good thing.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #356 on:** July 30, 2015, 09:39:40 AM »

AbeFroman · « **Reply #357 on:** July 30, 2015, 09:52:13 AM »

Yard Dog might be the perfect replacement for FSD/ksu_w

High opinion of the Koch bros.

michigancat · « **Reply #358 on:** July 30, 2015, 11:05:54 AM »

Koch brothers do a lot of good things. seriously. example: http://time.com/3686797/charles-koch-criminal-justice/

They have a lot of potentially dangerous views, as well. But still, they aren't all bad.

Yard Dog · « **Reply #359 on:** July 30, 2015, 11:44:39 AM »

Quote from: michigancat on July 30, 2015, 11:05:54 AM

Koch brothers do a lot of good things. seriously. example: http://time.com/3686797/charles-koch-criminal-justice/

They have a lot of potentially dangerous views, as well. But still, they aren't all bad.

The amount of money they give in charitable giving every year is pretty spectacular too. They are genuinely good people. It is crazy that they are targeted so regularly with character assassination. I can't think of any other private American citizen who gets torn down so publicly. I don't agree that their views are dangerous, but I do think that to achieve some of their goals we need smarter politicians. . .not dolts like Brownback.

michigancat · « **Reply #360 on:** July 30, 2015, 11:46:42 AM »

Their views on the environment are potentially damaging IMO.

Yard Dog · « **Reply #361 on:** July 30, 2015, 11:51:02 AM »

Quote from: michigancat on July 30, 2015, 11:46:42 AM

Their views on the environment are potentially damaging IMO.

Are you referring to fracking? Or the fact they don't think carbon emissions are causing global warming?

michigancat · « **Reply #362 on:** July 30, 2015, 11:51:26 AM »

Quote from: Yard Dog on July 30, 2015, 11:51:02 AM

Quote from: michigancat on July 30, 2015, 11:46:42 AM
Their views on the environment are potentially damaging IMO.

Are you referring to fracking? Or the fact they don't think carbon emissions are causing global warming?

Yes

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #363 on:** July 30, 2015, 11:52:02 AM »

The amount of money they donate to political campaigns is potentially damaging.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #364 on:** July 30, 2015, 11:54:10 AM »

They also want basically full deregulation which would leave us looking like china in 10 years, but they may make a few extra bucks so who cares right?

star seed 7 · « **Reply #365 on:** July 30, 2015, 11:57:53 AM »

Maybe they can invest that extra money in more gay hating, we know from previous conversations that yard dog wholeheartedly supports some good old fashioned gay haters

Yard Dog · « **Reply #366 on:** July 30, 2015, 12:07:12 PM »

Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on July 30, 2015, 11:52:02 AM

The amount of money they donate to political campaigns is potentially damaging.

Those stats are misleading. They don't donate a ton to political campaigns as much as issue advocacy which is very different. The rich guys on the left donate a lot more directly to candidates.

Quote from: libliblibliblibliblib on July 30, 2015, 11:54:10 AM

They also want basically full deregulation which would leave us looking like china in 10 years, but they may make a few extra bucks so who cares right?

They don't want full deregulation. They want a society where the federal government's only purposes are protecting individual property and rights, protecting national security, and enforcing the rule of law. They are not a big fan of corporate welfare. The biggest myth is that they want subsidies so they can make more money, when in actuality they are against government subsidies which would cost them more money in the long run.

Interesting video explaining the concept above:

Yard Dog · « **Reply #367 on:** July 30, 2015, 12:15:35 PM »

Quote from: michigancat on July 30, 2015, 11:51:26 AM

Quote from: Yard Dog on July 30, 2015, 11:51:02 AM
Quote from: michigancat on July 30, 2015, 11:46:42 AM
Their views on the environment are potentially damaging IMO.

Are you referring to fracking? Or the fact they don't think carbon emissions are causing global warming?
Yes

Well they are right about global warming:

http://debatewise.org/debates/455-co2-does-not-cause-global-warming/

The most recent studies point to CFCs (Chlorofluorocarbons) not CO2.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #368 on:** July 30, 2015, 12:17:41 PM »

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #369 on:** July 30, 2015, 12:23:03 PM »

steve dave · « **Reply #370 on:** July 30, 2015, 12:40:21 PM »

CNS · « **Reply #371 on:** July 30, 2015, 12:44:04 PM »

Trump will kick taints in KS during the primary. He will win a landslide of both the actual Pubs, as well as the intentionally incorrectly registered party members voting in pub primary.

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Yard Dog · « **Reply #372 on:** July 30, 2015, 12:55:41 PM »

Quote from: CNS on July 30, 2015, 12:44:04 PM

Trump will kick taints in KS during the primary. He will win a landslide of both the actual Pubs, as well as the intentionally incorrectly registered party members voting in pub primary.

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How far down the list is Kansas in the primary order? There is a very limited chance he is still winning by then. Though since he is loaded he probably won't quit after losing a bunch of states like he should.

The real question is when Trump bows out, will his endorsement be a kiss of death to whichever candidate he bestows it on?

CNS · « **Reply #373 on:** July 30, 2015, 01:08:49 PM »

Nope, his independent candidacy will be, though.

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Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #374 on:** July 30, 2015, 01:11:39 PM »

Quote from: CNS on July 30, 2015, 12:44:04 PM

Trump will kick taints in KS during the primary. He will win a landslide of both the actual Pubs, as well as the intentionally incorrectly registered party members voting in pub primary.

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Kansas has caucuses instead of primaries. That makes it harder to vote, imo. I wouldn't vote for him, but I'm not sure if I will care enough to show up on a Saturday morning and go through that.