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« Reply #625 on: December 19, 2013, 08:23:05 AM »
Most of these fracking suggestions are just to try and show how fancy pantsy these dumb fracks are.

I have a suggestion for you.  I heard of this book when listening to the Tony Kornheiser show...he told the listeners that if they bought this book and read it, he'd refund their money if they didn't like it.  I bought it and I read it.  One of the best fracking books I have ever read. 

You will say "holy crap" aloud as you read this book prolly 50 times.



About 3/4 through Dirty White Boys in just the past 5 days.  On Holy crap number 35 or so.  Also get questions from Lady BR why I am chuckling every once in a while.  Good stuff.  Heard lots of his other stuff is good as well.

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« Reply #626 on: December 19, 2013, 09:43:54 AM »
Is it true?

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« Reply #627 on: December 19, 2013, 12:31:31 PM »
Most of these fracking suggestions are just to try and show how fancy pantsy these dumb fracks are.

I have a suggestion for you.  I heard of this book when listening to the Tony Kornheiser show...he told the listeners that if they bought this book and read it, he'd refund their money if they didn't like it.  I bought it and I read it.  One of the best fracking books I have ever read. 

You will say "holy crap" aloud as you read this book prolly 50 times.



About 3/4 through Dirty White Boys in just the past 5 days.  On Holy crap number 35 or so.  Also get questions from Lady BR why I am chuckling every once in a while.  Good stuff.  Heard lots of his other stuff is good as well.

same guy wrote the book the Marky Mark movie Shooter was based on.

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« Reply #628 on: December 19, 2013, 01:33:51 PM »
Currently reading 1491:

http://www.amazon.com/1491-Revelations-Americas-Before-Columbus/dp/1400032059

Very interesting so far. Did you realize Squanto (who helped the Pilgrims) had already been to Europe and back before they started Thanksgiving? :Wha:

O man, love this stuff! Cant remember the name(1492 maybe?) but I watched a documentary a couple months ago on this exact same subject...One of the things I found interesting was the vast herds of buffalo early pioneers saw were a relatively new occurrence. It was only after European diseases wiped out the Native Americans that the buffalo herds reached such vast numbers.

Also I'm sure its been mentioned but Guns Germs and Steel is a great book as well, just watched the 3 part documentary on Netflix.

I'm quite  :dubious: about this.  Native Americans didn't become efficient hunters of the buffalo until after they had the horse.  It was the horse that enabled the explosion in Native American populations on the prairies.

Not saying its the truth just interesting...Also before Native Americans had horses they would drive whole herds of buffalo off cliffs and crap. I Could see how that would help keep the numbers down.

There really aren't very many cliffs throughout much of the great plains, though.

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« Reply #629 on: December 19, 2013, 01:34:49 PM »
This thread turned racist
Luke's stock is rising as Winters continues to validate his greatness. Add Luke and Winters to my list! Also, EMAWBLAST! and Tobias!

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« Reply #630 on: December 20, 2013, 03:35:48 PM »
I bought Slouching Towards Bethlehem by Joan Didion a couple weeks ago after seeing Spencer Hall say that Didion was his favorite writer. Slouching a collection of essays about America in the sixties with a few personal notes from the author. The writing is tremendous, I can't describe how much I enjoyed it.

One essay that I particularly enjoyed was On Self-Respect. I've read it three times this week. I especially encourage anyone experiencing a difficult time to give the following a read:
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Once, in a dry season, I wrote in large letters across two pages of a notebook that innocence ends when one is stripped of the delusion that one likes oneself. Although now,
some years later, I marvel that a mind on the outs with itself should have nonetheless made painstaking record of its every tremor, I recall with embarrassing clarity the
flavor of those particular ashes. It was a mater of misplaced self-respect.

I had not been elected to Phi Beta Kappa. This failure could scarcely have been more predictable or less ambiguous (I simply did not have the grades), but I was unnerved by it; I had somehow thought myself a kind of academic Raskolnikov, curiously exempt from the cause-effect relationships which hampered others. Although even the humorless nineteen-year-old that I was must have recognized that the situation lacked real tragic stature, the day that I did to make Phi Beta kappa nonetheless marked the end of something, and innocence may well be the word for it. I lost the conviction that lights would always turn green for me, the pleasant certainty that those rather passive virtues which had won me approval as a child automatically guaranteed me not only Phi Beta Kappa keys but happiness, honor, and the love of a good man; lost a certain touching faith in the totem power of good manners, clean hair, and proved competence on the Stanford-Binet scale. To such doubtful amulets had my self-respect been pinned, and I faced myself that day with the nonplussed apprehension of someone who has come across a vampire and has no crucifix at hand.

Although to be driven back upon oneself is an uneasy affair at best, rather like trying to cross a border with borrowed credentials, it seems to me now the one condition necessary to the beginnings of real self-respect. Most of our platitudes notwithstanding, self-deception remains the most difficult deception. The tricks that work on others count for nothing in that well-lit back alley where one keeps assignations with oneself; no winning smiles will do here, no prettily drawn lists of good intentions. One shuffles flashily but in vain through ones’ marked cards the kindness done for the wrong reason, the apparent triumph which involved no real effort, the seemingly heroic act into which one had been shamed. The dismal fact is that self-respect has nothing to do with the approval of others – who we are, after all, deceived easily enough; has nothing to do with reputation, which, as Rhett Butler told Scarlett O’Hara, is something people with courage can do without.

To do without self-respect, on the other hand, is to be an unwilling audience of one to an interminable documentary that deals one’s failings, both real and imagined, with fresh footage spliced in for every screening. There’s the glass you broke in anger, there’s the hurt on X’s face; watch now, this next scene, the night Y came back from Houston, see how you muff this one. To live without self-respect is to lie awake some night, beyond the reach of warm milk, the Phenobarbital, and the sleeping hand on the coverlet, counting up the sins of commissions and omission, the trusts betrayed, the promises subtly broken, the gifts irrevocably wasted through sloth or cowardice, or carelessness. However long we postpone it, we eventually lie down alone in that notoriously uncomfortable bed, the one we make ourselves. Whether or not we sleep in it depends, of course, on whether or not we respect ourselves.

To protest that some fairly improbably people, some people who could not possibly respect themselves, seem to sleep easily enough is to miss the point entirely, as surely as those people miss it who think that self-respect has necessarily to do with not having safety pins in one’s underwear. There is a common superstition that “self-respect” is a kind of charm against snakes, something that keeps those who have it locked in some unblighted Eden, out of strange beds, ambivalent conversations, and trouble in general. It does not at all. It has nothing to do with the face of things, but concerns instead a separate peace, a private reconciliation. Although the careless, suicidal Julian English in Appointment in Samara and the careless, incurably dishonest Jordan Baker in The Great Gatsby seem equally improbably candidates for self-respect, Jordan Baker had it, Julian English did not. With that genius for accommodation more often seen in women than men, Jordan took her own measure, made her own peace, avoided threats to that peace: “I hate careless people,” she told Nick Carraway. “It takes two to make an accident.”

Like Jordan Baker, people with self-respect have the courage of their mistakes. They know the price of things. If they choose to commit adultery, they do not then go running, in an access of bad conscience, to receive absolution from the wronged parties; nor do they complain unduly of the unfairness, the undeserved embarrassment, of being named co-respondent. In brief, people with self-respect exhibit a certain toughness, a kind of mortal nerve; they display what was once called character, a quality which, although approved in the abstract, sometimes loses ground to other, more instantly negotiable virtues. The measure of its slipping prestige is that one tends to think of it only in connection with homely children and United States senators who have been defeated, preferably in the primary, for reelection. Nonetheless, character – the willingness to accept responsibility for one’s own life – is the source from which self-respect springs.

Self-respect is something that our grandparents, whether or not they had it, knew all about. They had instilled in them, young, a certain discipline, the sense that one lives by doing things one does not particularly want to do, by putting fears and doubts to one side, by weighing immediate comforts against the possibility of larger, even intangible, comforts. It seemed to the nineteenth century admirable, but not remarkable, that Chinese Gordon put on a clean white suit and held Khartoum against the Mahdi; it did not seem unjust that the way to free land in California involved death and difficulty and dirt. In a diary kept during the winter of 1846, an emigrating twelve-yaer-old named Narcissa Cornwall noted coolly: “Father was busy reading and did not notice that the house was being filled with strange Indians until Mother spoke out about it.” Even lacking any clue as to what Mother said, one can scarcely fail to be impressed by the entire incident: the father reading, the Indians filing in, the mother choosing the words that would not alarm, the child duly recording the event and noting further that those particular Indians were not, “fortunately for us,” hostile. Indians were simply part of the donnee.
In one guise or another, Indians always are. Again, it is a question of recognizing that anything worth having has its price. People who respect themselves are willing to accept the risk that the Indians will be hostile, that the venture will go bankrupt, that the liaison may not turn out to be one in which every day is a holiday because you’re married to me. They are willing to invest something of themselves; they may not play at all, but when they do play, they know the odds.

That kind of self-respect is a discipline, a habit of mind that can never be faked but can be developed, trained, coaxed forth. It was once suggested to me that, as an antidote to crying, I put my had in a paper bag. As it happens, there is a sound physiological reason, something to do with oxygen, for doing exactly that, but the psychological effect alone is incalculable: it is difficult bin the extreme to continue fancying oneself Cathy in Wuthering Heights with ones head in a Food Fair bag. There is a similar case for all the small disciplines, unimportant in themselves; imagine maintaining any kind of swoon, commiserative or carnal, in a cold shower.
But those small disciplines are valuable only insofar as they represent larger ones. To say that Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton is not to say that Napoleon might have been saved by a crash program in cricket; to give formal dinners in the rain forest would be pointless did not the candlelight flickering on the liana call forth deeper, stronger disciplines, values instilled long before. It is a kind of ritual, helping us to remember who and what we are. In order to remember it, one must have known it.

To have that sense of one’s intrinsic worth which constitutes self-respect is potentially to have everything: the ability to discriminate, to love and to remain indifferent. To lack it is to be locked within oneself, paradoxically incapable of either love or indifference. If we do not respect ourselves, we are the one hand forced to despise those who have so few resources as to consort with us, so little perception as to remain blind to our fatal weaknesses. On the other, we are peculiarly in thrall to everyone we see, curiously determined to live out – since our self-image is untenable – their false notion of us. We flatter ourselves by thinking this compulsion to please others an attractive trait: a gist for imaginative empathy, evidence of our willingness to give. Of course I will play Francesca to your Paolo, Helen Keller to anyone’s Annie Sullivan; no expectation is too misplaced, no role too ludicrous. At the mercy of those we cannot but hold in contempt, we play roles doomed to failure before they are begun, each defeat generating fresh despair at the urgency of divining and meting the next demand made upon us.

It is the phenomenon sometimes called “alienation from self.” In its advanced stages, we no longer answer the telephone, because someone might want something; that we could say no without drowning in self-reproach is an idea alien to this game. Every encounter demands to much, tears the nerves, drains the will, and the specter of something as small as an unanswered letter arouses such disproportionate guilt that answering it becomes out of the question. To assign unanswered letters their proper weight, to free us from the expectations of others, to give us back to ourselves – there lies the great, the singular power of self-respect. Without it, one eventually discovers the final turn of the screw: one runs away to find oneself, and finds no one at home.

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« Reply #631 on: December 20, 2013, 03:41:03 PM »
if you read that essay or book let me know and i will buy you a beer so we can talk about it.

i think sys and mich. and other californiacats would appreciate the book's many CA-based essays.
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« Reply #632 on: December 20, 2013, 03:41:38 PM »
i'm going to buy this for somebody for christmas. not sure who yet.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/145919432/William-Shakespeare-s-Star-Wars-An-Excerpt

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« Reply #633 on: December 20, 2013, 03:56:36 PM »
if you read that essay or book let me know and i will buy you a beer so we can talk about it.

Really liked that essay, thanks for sharing.  I guess you owe me a beer now.  Tomorrow?
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« Reply #634 on: December 20, 2013, 03:59:25 PM »
if you read that essay or book let me know and i will buy you a beer so we can talk about it.

i think sys and mich. and other californiacats would appreciate the books CA-based essays.



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« Reply #635 on: December 20, 2013, 04:02:15 PM »
i'll read that thing you posted sometime, bubs

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« Reply #636 on: December 20, 2013, 04:32:12 PM »
if you read that essay or book let me know and i will buy you a beer so we can talk about it.

Really liked that essay, thanks for sharing.  I guess you owe me a beer now.  Tomorrow?
:thumbs: yes, tomorrow.

i'll read that thing you posted sometime, bubs
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« Reply #637 on: January 07, 2014, 08:59:11 AM »

For the Fantasy Dorks

I'm really big into Martin's Game of Thrones and Jordan's Wheel of Time stuff.  As a teen, I read through the majority of the pulp out there (Forgotten Realms, Salvatore, Eddings, Fiest, etc...).

Rothfuss' stuff is probably the most well written and creative stuff out right now.  He's taking FOREVER, but it's simply brilliant.  He blows away Sanderson's Mistborn novels.  Sanderson is creative, but he's a pretty poor writer.  His new series has a lot of promise, but it's almost like he finished the complete butchering of Jordan's world and decided that he wanted to write something more grand.  You could cut 700 pages out of The Way of Kings and it would be pretty intriguing.  Instead, it's bloated with way too much about bridge runs and pseudo angst.

Rothfuss is wildly creative and has a great style when it comes to prose.  He is exactly like Martin in that, except he's more into the imaginary world stuff.  I cannot recommend it enough.  Read Mistborn when you need filler, read The Name of the Wind when you want to be blown away.

If you haven't read Abercrombie, then you can go ahead and just shut your rough ridin' face.  GRRM and Abercrombie are the best.  Maybe this Rothfuss guy is good too.  Pete seems to like him.  I'm not touching it until he finishes.

I caved and started the second Rothfuss book.  It's really good.  I'll be done by the end of the week, then I start Abercrombie.  I'M TRUSTING YOU BREAD!

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« Reply #638 on: January 07, 2014, 09:00:13 AM »

Most of these fracking suggestions are just to try and show how fancy pantsy these dumb fracks are.

I have a suggestion for you.  I heard of this book when listening to the Tony Kornheiser show...he told the listeners that if they bought this book and read it, he'd refund their money if they didn't like it.  I bought it and I read it.  One of the best fracking books I have ever read. 

You will say "holy crap" aloud as you read this book prolly 50 times.



About 3/4 through Dirty White Boys in just the past 5 days.  On Holy crap number 35 or so.  Also get questions from Lady BR why I am chuckling every once in a while.  Good stuff.  Heard lots of his other stuff is good as well.

TOLD YOU!

It's a crazy rough ridin' book, and a crap load of fun to read.

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« Reply #639 on: January 07, 2014, 09:18:52 AM »
Read Vonnegut's Sirens of Titan last week and it is one of my favorite books I've ever read.  Significantly better than the very good Slaughterhouse Five IMHO
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« Reply #640 on: January 07, 2014, 10:32:58 AM »
I'm still reading Infinite Jest and it's easily my favorite book ever.

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« Reply #641 on: January 07, 2014, 10:36:35 AM »
just finished my third Jack Reacher, Lee Child novel. theyre pretty good but I need a break from Jack. should I read "Dirty White Boys" next?
I think what my friend Mitch is trying to say is that true love is blind.

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« Reply #642 on: January 07, 2014, 10:59:53 AM »
my god what a bunch of showoffs

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« Reply #643 on: January 07, 2014, 11:09:36 AM »
my god what a bunch of showoffs

Are you jealous? :D

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« Reply #644 on: January 07, 2014, 11:11:57 AM »
my god what a bunch of showoffs

Are you jealous? :D

why don't you go change your name to "ireadalotofbookscat" and just leave me alone.

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« Reply #645 on: January 07, 2014, 11:27:30 AM »
rick what exactly do you do? you don't read, don't watch tv shows, don't watch ESPN (non-games). so... are you out on patrol for 13 hours a day or what? :confused:
I think what my friend Mitch is trying to say is that true love is blind.

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« Reply #646 on: January 07, 2014, 11:33:58 AM »
Think he just drinks a shitload of bud lights, sometimes with lime
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« Reply #647 on: January 07, 2014, 11:43:31 AM »
just finished my third Jack Reacher, Lee Child novel. theyre pretty good but I need a break from Jack. should I read "Dirty White Boys" next?

You will not regret reading Dirty White Boys.  DO IT!  It's a stand alone book, not a series.

Stephen Hunter also writes a bunch of other books other characters related to Dirty White Boys (Bob Lee Swagger), which are badasses that go around and whip people's asses and shoot them in the face and have sex and generally just be studs.

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« Reply #648 on: January 07, 2014, 03:26:25 PM »
I have purchased Dirty White Boys on my Kindle.  It better be rough ridin' good, if it's anything like the movie Shooter, heads will roll.

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« Reply #649 on: January 07, 2014, 04:52:30 PM »
I have purchased Dirty White Boys on my Kindle.  It better be rough ridin' good, if it's anything like the movie Shooter, heads will roll.

Come post back here after you read the first 2-4 pages.  :sdeek:

Also, the book that Shooter is based on is actually not bad, but it's different than Dirty White Boys.  Stephen Hunter tends to get really specific about guns and action and stuff.  He's like a Tom Clancy on the technical detail, but then mixed with a Stephen King when it comes to his willingness to go into graphic detail on really mumped sex and violence stuff.