best players in big xii history

[Kat Kid]

good find.  Scot Pollard went 1-1 for 3 for his career on Senior Night.

[Cartierfor3]

I never got to see old Raef LaFrentz play.  Pretty good?

There was one game vs Wooldridge at Bramlage, they were killing us, toward the end he was beyond the 3-point line and none of our players were within 10 feet of him. He stood there, looked around, and finally jacked up probably the only 3-point shot of his career.

Nothing but net.

He is one of my most hated Jayhawks.

People's memories are so different from reality sometimes

It was Kansas senior Raef LaFrentz who plunged a dagger through the Wildcats' hearts, sinking a three-pointer with 2:39 remaining in the Jayhawks' 73-58 victory over KSU at sold-out Bramlage Coliseum.

``I think it was a dagger in coach (Roy) Williams' heart. He almost had a heart attack when I shot that three,'' LaFrentz said. He scored 10 consecutive points down the stretch, capping his scoring spree with the trifecta that gave KU a 69-58 lead.

``I was open, stepped up and knocked it down,'' LaFrentz said. ``I have a world of confidence in my three-point ability.''

``I do try to take it upon myself to step up when the team needs me, especially on the offensive end because that's one of my strengths,'' LaFrentz said. ``Paul (Pierce) was in foul trouble, so I figured what the heck, give it a shot.''

not the wooly era

[Mr Bread]

Allen, Stinson and Smart aren't very good three-point shooters.  You should have more guys that are good at that.

Allen is a lock down defender, Stinson is a screen and roll back up PG and lock down defender, Smart is a screen and roll PG and lock down defender.  I value that stuff too. 

Between- Rush, Pullen, Pierce, Durant, Wiggins, Tinsley I tried to pick guys that would have a role to play instead of taking jumpshots when there are already elite shooter/scorers.

D.J. Augustin instead of either Stinson or Smart.

He is basically Jacob Pullen so I don't know why I'd need another one.  I agree he is really good, but Stinson and Smart are much more effective on pick/roll and defense.

Why do you need two Stinsons/Smarts?  If they aren't dominating the ball how useful are they on offense?  I guess I don't like Tinsley and Smart together. 

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

also alec burks should definitely be on the all big 12 second team if youre just counting 1 season.

I guess but:

Paul Pierce
Durant
Rush

and he doesn't play defense.  Who is he taking minutes from?

second team. you have andrew wiggins on the bench of your all big 12 era team and no mention of alex burks, thats all.

[Kat Kid]

also alec burks should definitely be on the all big 12 second team if youre just counting 1 season.

I guess but:

Paul Pierce
Durant
Rush

and he doesn't play defense.  Who is he taking minutes from?

second team. you have andrew wiggins on the bench of your all big 12 era team and no mention of alex burks, thats all.

Right.  He is better than Burks too.

[Kat Kid]

Allen, Stinson and Smart aren't very good three-point shooters.  You should have more guys that are good at that.

Allen is a lock down defender, Stinson is a screen and roll back up PG and lock down defender, Smart is a screen and roll PG and lock down defender.  I value that stuff too. 

Between- Rush, Pullen, Pierce, Durant, Wiggins, Tinsley I tried to pick guys that would have a role to play instead of taking jumpshots when there are already elite shooter/scorers.

D.J. Augustin instead of either Stinson or Smart.

He is basically Jacob Pullen so I don't know why I'd need another one.  I agree he is really good, but Stinson and Smart are much more effective on pick/roll and defense.

Why do you need two Stinsons/Smarts?  If they aren't dominating the ball how useful are they on offense?  I guess I don't like Tinsley and Smart together.

I like point guards?

[Mr Bread]

This team is a mess. 

[Kat Kid]

This team is a mess.

Go do your own conference and no one will care.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

also alec burks should definitely be on the all big 12 second team if youre just counting 1 season.

I guess but:

Paul Pierce
Durant
Rush

and he doesn't play defense.  Who is he taking minutes from?

second team. you have andrew wiggins on the bench of your all big 12 era team and no mention of alex burks, thats all.

Right.  He is better than Burks too.

like, maybe now. but their last years before they got drafted no.

Player    GP   MIN   PPG   RPG   APG   SPG   BPG   TPG   FG%   FT%   3P%
Alec Burks   38   31.4   20.5   6.5   2.9   1.1   0.3   2.6   .469   .825   .292
A. Wiggins   35   32.8   17.1   5.9   1.5   1.2   1.0   2.3   .448   .775   .341

[Cartierfor3]

TJ Ford was a very good player.

[Mr Bread]

also alec burks should definitely be on the all big 12 second team if youre just counting 1 season.

I guess but:

Paul Pierce
Durant
Rush

and he doesn't play defense.  Who is he taking minutes from?

second team. you have andrew wiggins on the bench of your all big 12 era team and no mention of alex burks, thats all.

Right.  He is better than Burks too.

like, maybe now. but their last years before they got drafted no.

Player    GP   MIN   PPG   RPG   APG   SPG   BPG   TPG   FG%   FT%   3P%
Alec Burks   38   31.4   20.5   6.5   2.9   1.1   0.3   2.6   .469   .825   .292
A. Wiggins   35   32.8   17.1   5.9   1.5   1.2   1.0   2.3   .448   .775   .341

Tonya has a point.  We want really shitty three-point shooters on this team.  Burks is superior in the ball-screen and on defense.  Burks it is.  Hope we didn't write that original down in pen. 

[Asteriskhead]

just have durant and griffin play with these guys:

mike
billiam
jamar
dom
rod
jake
denis

and you'll win everything ever.

[Mr Bread]

This team is a mess.

Go do your own conference and no one will care.

You are the DeBruce of message board goat-Big12roster constructors. 

[Mr Bread]

just have durant and griffin play with these guys:

mike
billiam
jamar
dom
rod
jake
denis

and you'll win everything ever.

Slap Curtis Stinson on that roster and you've got yourself a rough ridin' deal.

[DOD Take 2]

Including Embiid on that bench is so wrong. He simply didn't play enough or make enough of an impact to deserve to be included.

[Kat Kid]

This team is a mess.

Go do your own conference and no one will care.

You are the DeBruce of message board goat-Big12roster constructors.

This is hurtful.  I want discussion and criticism about my team.  But I'd rather it come in the form of someone actually assembling another team.

[nicname]

I never got to see old Raef LaFrentz play.  Pretty good?

There was one game vs Wooldridge at Bramlage, they were killing us, toward the end he was beyond the 3-point line and none of our players were within 10 feet of him. He stood there, looked around, and finally jacked up probably the only 3-point shot of his career.

Nothing but net.

He is one of my most hated Jayhawks.

People's memories are so different from reality sometimes

It was Kansas senior Raef LaFrentz who plunged a dagger through the Wildcats' hearts, sinking a three-pointer with 2:39 remaining in the Jayhawks' 73-58 victory over KSU at sold-out Bramlage Coliseum.

``I think it was a dagger in coach (Roy) Williams' heart. He almost had a heart attack when I shot that three,'' LaFrentz said. He scored 10 consecutive points down the stretch, capping his scoring spree with the trifecta that gave KU a 69-58 lead.

``I was open, stepped up and knocked it down,'' LaFrentz said. ``I have a world of confidence in my three-point ability.''

``I do try to take it upon myself to step up when the team needs me, especially on the offensive end because that's one of my strengths,'' LaFrentz said. ``Paul (Pierce) was in foul trouble, so I figured what the heck, give it a shot.''

not the wooly era

I remember LaFrentz taking quite a few threes for KU, and just about every one was taken on a secondary break when he would trial the play and casually trot to around the top of the key before shooting straight on. He made a lot of them too, or maybe I just remember the ones he made more.

[CNS]

Has anyone included Fizer(sp?)?  Kid was a baller.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

or Cole Aldrich

LOL, not at all. Perry or Duhrel are far better comparisons. Raef was a huge pussy, was about 4" shorter than listed and cowered to guys like Loren Woods. iirc, a kid with downs (TJ Pugh) and a dave Mathews groupie (chenowith?) played significant minutes with Raef because of his pussiness on defense.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

surprised no one has mentioned lamarcus aldridge

he is very good, and maybe should be there instead of embiid but embiid is such a game changer shot blocking wise.  Also, at some point the amount of athletic F make putting slow back to basket guys in boring.

Kelvin Cato was good too. Bill Walker put up as good of stats as any freshman not named Beasley or Durant

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Who was the dude from Okie State that went shot for shot with Durant in that game where Sean Sutton almost fainted?

[Skipper44]

Who was the dude from Okie State that went shot for shot with Durant in that game where Sean Sutton almost fainted?

Dove?

[Mr Bread]

This team is a mess.

Go do your own conference and no one will care.

You are the DeBruce of message board goat-Big12roster constructors.

This is hurtful.  I want discussion and criticism about my team.  But I'd rather it come in the form of someone actually assembling another team.

I assume we are assuming a given player's best big 12 season as the guy we're putting on our team.

Jamaal Tinsley
Chauncey Billups
Kevin Durant
Michael Beasley
Blake Griffin

Ekpe Udoh
Kirk Hinrich
Kareem Rush
Tony Allen
Nick Collison
Andrew Wiggins
D.J. Augustin
Kelvin Cato

No order on the reserves.

[Kat Kid]

You have a nice team there.

[1863]

I never got to see old Raef LaFrentz play.  Pretty good?

There was one game vs Wooldridge at Bramlage, they were killing us, toward the end he was beyond the 3-point line and none of our players were within 10 feet of him. He stood there, looked around, and finally jacked up probably the only 3-point shot of his career.

Nothing but net.

He is one of my most hated Jayhawks.

Scott Pollard.