This team...

[HerrSonntag]

America wants to see a 1 seed fall to a 16.


America needs a KSU / Kentucky matchup.

"We want Kentucky"
 

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I know this is incredibly losery to say, but at this point I'd be just fine with beating Texas and locking down an NIT slot. I also think we have about a 33% chance of beating Texas on the road on senior day.

But if we beat Texas and win two in the B12T to make the finals, I think we slip into the NCAAs. That's 9-9 in the deepest conference, an RPI somewhere in the 50s, 18 wins, and finishing on a hot streak.

The Big 12 is a seven-bid league this year, and taking Texas over K-State (if we beat them) would be a rough ridin' joke.

[Kat Kid]

I know this is incredibly losery to say, but at this point I'd be just fine with beating Texas and locking down an NIT slot. I also think we have about a 33% chance of beating Texas on the road on senior day.

But if we beat Texas and win two in the B12T to make the finals, I think we slip into the NCAAs. That's 9-9 in the deepest conference, an RPI somewhere in the 50s, 18 wins, and finishing on a hot streak.

The Big 12 is a seven-bid league this year, and taking Texas over K-State (if we beat them) would be a rough ridin' joke.

Texas also beat us.

['taterblast]

i feel less confident about winning @texas than i did vs ku OR isu.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I know this is incredibly losery to say, but at this point I'd be just fine with beating Texas and locking down an NIT slot. I also think we have about a 33% chance of beating Texas on the road on senior day.

But if we beat Texas and win two in the B12T to make the finals, I think we slip into the NCAAs. That's 9-9 in the deepest conference, an RPI somewhere in the 50s, 18 wins, and finishing on a hot streak.

The Big 12 is a seven-bid league this year, and taking Texas over K-State (if we beat them) would be a rough ridin' joke.

Texas also beat us.

Right, but assuming we beat them this coming weekend, they'll finish 6-12 or 7-11 in conference.

[Shooter Jones]

I know this is incredibly losery to say, but at this point I'd be just fine with beating Texas and locking down an NIT slot. I also think we have about a 33% chance of beating Texas on the road on senior day.

But if we beat Texas and win two in the B12T to make the finals, I think we slip into the NCAAs. That's 9-9 in the deepest conference, an RPI somewhere in the 50s, 18 wins, and finishing on a hot streak.

The Big 12 is a seven-bid league this year, and taking Texas over K-State (if we beat them) would be a rough ridin' joke.

the NIT is creaming in their jeans thinking about a blue blood like K-State being in their tourney, the Cats are a lock already. the only thing left is to try and slip in the back door of the NCAA's.

[Mikeyis4dcats]

Kansas & Kansas State are the only 2 teams in college basketball with 5 wins against teams in the top 50.

[mocat]

KSU has to be the only team in the history of the world with 5 RPI <25 wins and also 5 RPI >100 losses

[mocat]

also KSU has played 17 games vs RPI 1-50 teams, and 1 game vs RPI 51-100 teams.

[j rake]

i don't pay much attention to bubble watch, but if i'm understanding this correctly, old dominion is considered to have a better resume than k-state?

k-state has had one truly terrible loss this year...texas southern. what are the others?

[Shooter Jones]

i know they play in a dogshit conference and this in no way is an excuse for that collapse, but Texas Southern has won 13 of 15 and is projected to win out. they also currently have an RPI about 40 spots better than Tech.

[Mixed-Nutz]

i don't pay much attention to bubble watch, but if i'm understanding this correctly, old dominion is considered to have a better resume than k-state?

k-state has had one truly terrible loss this year...texas southern. what are the others?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/sort/RPI/teamId/2306


RPI   DATE        TEAM                     Score
107   Nov. 21   @ Long Beach St    60-69
104   Dec. 6   @ Tennessee       64-65
141   Dec. 28   Texas Southern      56-58
122   Feb. 18   @ TCU               55-69
171   Feb. 4   @ Texas Tech        47-64

[Shooter Jones]

do they consider anything over 100 RPI a bad loss? would it be any different if Tennessee and LBSU sneak inside the top 100?

[j rake]

i don't pay much attention to bubble watch, but if i'm understanding this correctly, old dominion is considered to have a better resume than k-state?

k-state has had one truly terrible loss this year...texas southern. what are the others?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/sort/RPI/teamId/2306


RPI   DATE        TEAM                     Score
107   Nov. 21   @ Long Beach St    60-69
104   Dec. 6   @ Tennessee       64-65
141   Dec. 28   Texas Southern      56-58
122   Feb. 18   @ TCU               55-69
171   Feb. 4   @ Texas Tech        47-64

k-state was a 3-pt favorite at long beach; a 3-pt underdog at tennessee; a 3-pt underdog at TCU; and a 3.5-pt favorite at texas tech. in all four of those games, they had a rough win expectancy of between 40 percent (tenn) and 60 percent (texas tech).

the long beach game was foolish scheduling (en route to playing maui tourney), the texas tech game's final score is super misleading (it was a coin flip entering the final 5 mins per kenpom), k-state covered the spread at tenn (it was super lucky, but still), and they were listed as underdogs at TCU (the margin of defeat was bad, the loss was not).

again, none of these losses are 'terrible.'

[mocat]

i don't pay much attention to bubble watch, but if i'm understanding this correctly, old dominion is considered to have a better resume than k-state?

k-state has had one truly terrible loss this year...texas southern. what are the others?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/sort/RPI/teamId/2306


RPI   DATE        TEAM                     Score
107   Nov. 21   @ Long Beach St    60-69
104   Dec. 6   @ Tennessee       64-65
141   Dec. 28   Texas Southern      56-58
122   Feb. 18   @ TCU               55-69
171   Feb. 4   @ Texas Tech        47-64

what in the world order is that?

[Fldermaus]

i don't pay much attention to bubble watch, but if i'm understanding this correctly, old dominion is considered to have a better resume than k-state?

k-state has had one truly terrible loss this year...texas southern. what are the others?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/sort/RPI/teamId/2306


RPI   DATE        TEAM                     Score
107   Nov. 21   @ Long Beach St    60-69
104   Dec. 6   @ Tennessee       64-65
141   Dec. 28   Texas Southern      56-58
122   Feb. 18   @ TCU               55-69
171   Feb. 4   @ Texas Tech        47-64

k-state was a 3-pt favorite at long beach; a 3-pt underdog at tennessee; a 3-pt underdog at TCU; and a 3.5-pt favorite at texas tech. in all four of those games, they had a rough win expectancy of between 40 percent (tenn) and 60 percent (texas tech).

the long beach game was foolish scheduling (en route to playing maui tourney), the texas tech game's final score is super misleading (it was a coin flip entering the final 5 mins per kenpom), k-state covered the spread at tenn (it was super lucky, but still), and they were listed as underdogs at TCU (the margin of defeat was bad, the loss was not).

again, none of these losses are 'terrible.'

Having spreads around 3 points for all these teams is terrible, and they are all pretty embarrassing losses for an NCAA tournament team. 

[j rake]

i know they play in a dogshit conference and this in no way is an excuse for that collapse, but Texas Southern has won 13 of 15 and is projected to win out. they also currently have an RPI about 40 spots better than Tech.

i know they play in a dogshit conference and this in no way is an excuse for that collapse, but Texas Southern has won 13 of 15 and is projected to win out. they also currently have an RPI about 40 spots better than Tech.

texas southern is a classic example of ratings being misleading (they are 212th in kenpom). they had some horrid outcomes in non con, yet they beat vegas expectations in four of six (including outright wins at k-state and at michigan st, perhaps two of the five biggest "upsets" of the year). they would have performed much better against the elite schedule they faced (hardest non-con SOS) if they had anything close to realistic chance at rest. instead, they played 15 of their first 16 on the road (west coast three times; east coast twice; the north twice; the south multiple times) and went 50 days between home games.

only three times in non-con did they ever get four or more days of rest. in two of those three, they pulled off wins as 20-plus point underdogs.

[Rage Against the McKee]

i don't pay much attention to bubble watch, but if i'm understanding this correctly, old dominion is considered to have a better resume than k-state?

k-state has had one truly terrible loss this year...texas southern. what are the others?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/sort/RPI/teamId/2306


RPI   DATE        TEAM                     Score
107   Nov. 21   @ Long Beach St    60-69
104   Dec. 6   @ Tennessee       64-65
141   Dec. 28   Texas Southern      56-58
122   Feb. 18   @ TCU               55-69
171   Feb. 4   @ Texas Tech        47-64

k-state was a 3-pt favorite at long beach; a 3-pt underdog at tennessee; a 3-pt underdog at TCU; and a 3.5-pt favorite at texas tech. in all four of those games, they had a rough win expectancy of between 40 percent (tenn) and 60 percent (texas tech).

the long beach game was foolish scheduling (en route to playing maui tourney), the texas tech game's final score is super misleading (it was a coin flip entering the final 5 mins per kenpom), k-state covered the spread at tenn (it was super lucky, but still), and they were listed as underdogs at TCU (the margin of defeat was bad, the loss was not).

again, none of these losses are 'terrible.'

The spread has as much to do with how good K-State is as it does how good the competition is. That is a terrible metric to use in determining how bad a loss is. You know that, though.

[Shooter Jones]

the coaches think this is the 43rd best team in the country right now, kind of.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

[Mixed-Nutz]

do they consider anything over 100 RPI a bad loss? would it be any different if Tennessee and LBSU sneak inside the top 100?

It would help. LBSU doesn't have a chance tho, week opponents. Tennessee needs to win and I think that is going to be hard for them. I wouldn't sleep on TCU. They get to play at OSU and I think that is a winnable game for them. They also host ISU and that is a big opportunity for a RPI booster. 

Texas Souther & Long Beach St winning their conference tournaments helps. (Tournament team talking point)

[j rake]

Having spreads around 3 points for all these teams is terrible, and they are all pretty embarrassing losses for an NCAA tournament team.

the supposed 'elite' teams in the Big 12 were never more than 10-point favorites at TT this year. Okla, Baylor, Okla St, WVU, Texas, Iowa St were all mostly within a range of 6 to 9 point favorites on the road.

long beach was a legitimate top 100 team all season until recently (rumored locker room strife has led to their downfall). when you put them on their home court, it's the equivalent of beating a top-50 opponent. long beach played xavier, ucla, texas, san diego state, st john's in non con - all are tourney teams.

the spreads would have been the following in games played at lbsu:

xavier -4.5
ucla -3.5
sdsu -4.5
texas -8.5
st john's -3
byu -7.5

losing to a 100-level team at home is bad. losing to them on the road isn't really the disgrace that some are making it out to be. long beach took BYU to the wire on the road; they beat Xavier on neutral; they lost at San Diego St by 1. k-state was in an unreal bad spot with that game being played prior to the maui tourney, but even absent of that, it was far from a sure or easy win.

[catastrophe]

This is about as much as I could ask for after K-State basically threw away any chance at the NCAA by losing to TTU.  If we beat Texas and win at least one Big 12 tourney game, at least now I can watch the selection show and gripe without seeming like a complete idiot when K-State isn't selected.

Seriously, what a hilariously weird team when some people think you are not even sniffing an NCAA berth and others think you may deserve a spot in the Top 25.

Unfortunately, with this team I honestly think we'd go further in the NCAA than the NIT.

[Fldermaus]

Having spreads around 3 points for all these teams is terrible, and they are all pretty embarrassing losses for an NCAA tournament team.

the supposed 'elite' teams in the Big 12 were never more than 10-point favorites at TT this year. Okla, Baylor, Okla St, WVU, Texas, Iowa St were all mostly within a range of 6 to 9 point favorites on the road.

long beach was a legitimate top 100 team all season until recently (rumored locker room strife has led to their downfall). when you put them on their home court, it's the equivalent of beating a top-50 opponent. long beach played xavier, ucla, texas, san diego state, st john's in non con - all are tourney teams.

the spreads would have been the following in games played at lbsu:

xavier -4.5
ucla -3.5
sdsu -4.5
texas -8.5
st john's -3
byu -7.5

losing to a 100-level team at home is bad. losing to them on the road isn't really the disgrace that some are making it out to be. long beach took BYU to the wire on the road; they beat Xavier on neutral; they lost at San Diego St by 1. k-state was in an unreal bad spot with that game being played prior to the maui tourney, but even absent of that, it was far from a sure or easy win.

Playing very bad basketball in these games is the bigger problem, imo.

[j rake]

Having spreads around 3 points for all these teams is terrible, and they are all pretty embarrassing losses for an NCAA tournament team.

the supposed 'elite' teams in the Big 12 were never more than 10-point favorites at TT this year. Okla, Baylor, Okla St, WVU, Texas, Iowa St were all mostly within a range of 6 to 9 point favorites on the road.

long beach was a legitimate top 100 team all season until recently (rumored locker room strife has led to their downfall). when you put them on their home court, it's the equivalent of beating a top-50 opponent. long beach played xavier, ucla, texas, san diego state, st john's in non con - all are tourney teams.

the spreads would have been the following in games played at lbsu:

xavier -4.5
ucla -3.5
sdsu -4.5
texas -8.5
st john's -3
byu -7.5

losing to a 100-level team at home is bad. losing to them on the road isn't really the disgrace that some are making it out to be. long beach took BYU to the wire on the road; they beat Xavier on neutral; they lost at San Diego St by 1. k-state was in an unreal bad spot with that game being played prior to the maui tourney, but even absent of that, it was far from a sure or easy win.

Playing very bad basketball in these games is the bigger problem, imo.

the margin of defeat is concerning in a few of those losses. but losing? it's not as bad as people are suggesting.

i don't mind if people argue that k-state is unworthy of making the tourney because they couldn't win those winnable games. i merely object to the presumption that these road wins at lbsu, tenn, texas tech and tcu are easy, no-doubters - because they weren't and aren't - not even for the b12's tourney locks like baylor or wvu.

[TownieCat]

Kansas & Kansas State are the only 2 teams in college basketball with 5 wins against teams in the top 50.

Not sure where you got that, but it's not even close to being correct.