Post by: J on February 28, 2015, 05:07:42 PM
Post by: That_Guy on February 28, 2015, 05:08:36 PM
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Post by: j rake on February 28, 2015, 05:08:56 PM
best .500 team in college hoops history.
Post by: j rake on February 28, 2015, 05:21:00 PM
K-State: 8 top 50 wins, including 5 top 15 (also beat #51 purdue)
Stanford: 1 top 50 win, none in top 15
Illinois: 3 top 50 wins, 1 in top 15
Purdue: 6 top 50 wins, 1 in top 15
Oregon: 2 top 50 wins, 1 in top 15
Texas A&M: 4 top 50 wins, none in top 15
Temple: 2 top 50 wins, 1 in top 15
NC State: 4 top 50 wins, 1 in top 15
LSU: 6 top 50 wins, none in top 15
Post by: kso_FAN on February 28, 2015, 05:24:32 PM
Post by: j rake on February 28, 2015, 05:28:05 PM
Those 4 losses over >100 teams will kill us.
michigan state lost to the same texas southern team. the long beach loss was on the road in a horrible spot with the maui trip on deck. k-state deserves credit for scheduling the game rather than being penalized too harshly. the tennessee loss, again, on the road. and the loss at texas tech (without foster) isn't as bad as people make it out to be. k-state was favored by 3 points.
Post by: sys on February 28, 2015, 05:30:18 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 28, 2015, 05:32:48 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on February 28, 2015, 05:34:30 PM
Post by: sys on February 28, 2015, 05:36:40 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on February 28, 2015, 05:39:05 PM
gotta win two more to possibly get an nit bid? is it .500 or better than .500?
From what I read in some article, there is no strict rule and they could invite us regardless of record.
Post by: wetwillie on February 28, 2015, 05:40:43 PM
Those 4 losses over >100 teams will kill us.
Won't fosters suspension be an asterisk or something
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 28, 2015, 05:42:57 PM
15 losses would be a record for an at large. Barring us playing into the tournament via the Big 12 in which case its irrelevant, we will have at least 16.
Records were made to be broken. There has never been a team with 16 losses and as many wins over the RPI top 30 as we have.
Post by: sys on February 28, 2015, 05:43:21 PM
From what I read in some article, there is no strict rule and they could invite us regardless of record.
right, but which is the tradition?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 28, 2015, 05:44:43 PM
Post by: CNS on February 28, 2015, 05:46:03 PM
If he was killing it now, this would probably be something that would be considered. Since he isnt, it won't be, imo.Those 4 losses over >100 teams will kill us.
Won't fosters suspension be an asterisk or something
Post by: sys on February 28, 2015, 05:49:12 PM
right, but which is the tradition?
looked it up myself. it's just .500, not over .500. so any combo of two more wins would give kstate a shot. or a win at ut and then 1st round loss in kc.
Post by: SdK on February 28, 2015, 06:01:08 PM
This is where some pundit say, "the objective should be to get the best 68 teams in the tournament, and kstate is clearly one of those teams. As evidenced by all those awesome wins". And then everyone nods and agrees. And then some jack wagon says good teams don't lose to Tech by 50.Just win 2 more KSU and get in the convo. That's all I want. Just to be talked about with a 17+ and 16 record.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
Post by: CyberToothCat on February 28, 2015, 06:52:50 PM
We had a lot of losses during the Foster suspension/benching. Doesn't the committee give some consideration to starters being out?
When it's a self-inflicted suspension causing his absence, there is zero reason for the committee to give us consideration for losses that occurred during the suspension. Injuries? That's a different story.
Post by: Steffy08 on February 28, 2015, 06:55:51 PM
Somehow, someway, our insane schedule will end up being held against us. Just watch. The media is so predictable.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 28, 2015, 07:01:41 PM
Post by: chum1 on February 28, 2015, 07:02:08 PM
it's those 15 losses.
Yeah. Almost all teams have bad losses. Plus, bad losses aren't pertinent to the tournament because there aren't bad teams in the tournament. Given this team's good wins, overall record is the true killer.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 28, 2015, 07:06:49 PM
Post by: AndrewVonLintel on February 28, 2015, 07:10:19 PM
It is stupid.... but when you beat a bunch of good teams even with ridiculous losses, the NCAA appreciates this. I think that we need to be beat Texas and win the first round of the Tournament and that will probably be enough to squeek in. It may be better to have the most interesting resume in the world instead of beat a bunch of teams you should with a few good wins thrown in.
I think they would rather have us in because we could knock off a much higher ranked team in the first round or at least make it a game (See Arizona, KU, OU x 2, ISU).
With the way this season is going I wouldn't be surprised if they put us in against Wichita State in the opening game? :dubious:
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 28, 2015, 07:13:20 PM
Post by: sys on February 28, 2015, 07:16:26 PM
guys it ain't happening
kstate likely needs two wins just to get in the nit bubble. i can't believe there are semi-rational posters here talking about an at large ncaa bid.
Post by: wetwillie on February 28, 2015, 07:19:42 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 28, 2015, 07:20:33 PM
Post by: sys on February 28, 2015, 07:22:15 PM
well its starting to look like we might avoid Wednesday so I guess the conference tourney isn't the craziest possibility ever. no at large tho
not at all crazy. probably (maybe) a double digit chance.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 28, 2015, 07:22:36 PM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on February 28, 2015, 07:23:50 PM
guys it ain't happening
kstate likely needs two wins just to get in the nit bubble. i can't believe there are semi-rational posters here talking about an at large ncaa bid.
oscar has driven everybody insane.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 28, 2015, 07:49:31 PM
guys it ain't happening
kstate likely needs two wins just to get in the nit bubble. i can't believe there are semi-rational posters here talking about an at large ncaa bid.
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/28/bubble-banter-st-johns-with-a-huge-win-n-c-state-with-an-ugly-loss/
Post by: AndrewVonLintel on February 28, 2015, 07:53:31 PM
We are almost for sure going to be ranked #6 in the Big 12 tournament. That would put us against #3 (OU, Baylor, ISU, or West Virginia).
Let me repeat IF we beat Texas and IF we win the first game of the Big 12 tournament, that would add two more top 50 wins to our resume. Our RPI would probably get down to around 60 and we might get selected. It would be bubble hell and we would be cheering for Northern Iowa and Wichita State to not screw up the valley tournament and make sure the valley doesn't get a third team in the dance (crap like that).
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 28, 2015, 08:05:35 PM
Post by: PIPE on February 28, 2015, 08:14:09 PM
Fact: no more home games
LOL at going to the ncaa
May have just seen our last win of this shitty season.
Post by: kso_FAN on February 28, 2015, 08:54:18 PM
Post by: j rake on February 28, 2015, 09:20:37 PM
guys it ain't happeningi can't believe there are semi-rational posters here talking about an at large ncaa bid.
:blush:
Post by: GregKSU1027 on February 28, 2015, 09:26:35 PM
Post by: GregKSU1027 on February 28, 2015, 09:27:19 PM
Post by: uncle clean jeans on February 28, 2015, 09:28:52 PM
Post by: GregKSU1027 on February 28, 2015, 09:33:59 PM
lol is correct.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 28, 2015, 09:39:27 PM
What's our bpi?
Awful. 84 behind Sam rough ridin' Houston. Thankfully the committee does not use the bpi as a metric because it's a sack of crap.
Post by: kso_FAN on February 28, 2015, 09:48:43 PM
Post by: AndrewVonLintel on February 28, 2015, 09:53:45 PM
We know Gottlieb will fight for us.
Seth Davis would be another good get.
Win a couple more Cats. :ksu:
Post by: Cire on February 28, 2015, 10:06:39 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 28, 2015, 10:28:01 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 28, 2015, 10:28:29 PM
Post by: wetwillie on February 28, 2015, 10:30:58 PM
I think winning at Texas and getting to the championship game of the Big 12 tourney gives us a chance to get selected. We would have a ton of quality wins at that point.
I just want to be in the discussion so a small part of me can pretend we are still relevant.
Post by: bones129 on February 28, 2015, 10:31:22 PM
Does tonight count as a Foster no show? :dunno:
Played 12 minutes, scored 6, had two TO's.
A no show? Yes, pretty much.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 28, 2015, 10:35:02 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on February 28, 2015, 10:35:37 PM
Post by: GregKSU1027 on February 28, 2015, 10:38:23 PM
Post by: #LIFE on February 28, 2015, 10:40:16 PM
Post by: wetwillie on February 28, 2015, 10:41:52 PM
Marcus is lazy and doesn't give a rough ridin' crap about this team.
Gopowercat.com is probably more your speed.
Post by: GregKSU1027 on February 28, 2015, 10:43:37 PM
he just seems like he doesn't show interest.Marcus is lazy and doesn't give a rough ridin' crap about this team.
Gopowercat.com is probably more your speed.
Post by: That_Guy on February 28, 2015, 10:49:31 PM
Marcus is lazy and doesn't give a rough ridin' crap about this team.
Gopowercat.com is probably more your speed.
Lol
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 28, 2015, 10:49:58 PM
https://twitter.com/sethdavishoops/status/571877200368181248
Nobody on the committee or in the media knows why he was suspended, nor his effect on recent wins. Regardless of whether it was self inflicted pain, we will benefit from this factoid.
Post by: nicname on February 28, 2015, 10:59:12 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on February 28, 2015, 11:06:00 PM
Is it true that the committee doesn't really look at a teams individual rpi, but instead uses rpi as a grouping mechanism to determine the quality of a win or loss?
That's what they say. And that's what makes us such a weird team. We have more Top 25 RPI wins this year (5) than we had in oscar's first 2 years combined (4).
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 28, 2015, 11:09:04 PM
Is it true that the committee doesn't really look at a teams individual rpi, but instead uses rpi as a grouping mechanism to determine the quality of a win or loss?
That's what they say. And that's what makes us such a weird team. We have more Top 25 RPI wins this year (5) than we had in oscar's first 2 years combined (4).
If we would have just beaten 2 of the shitty teams we lost to, we are a lock for the tournament and somewhere in the 6-7 seed range.
Post by: renocat on February 28, 2015, 11:23:25 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 28, 2015, 11:45:02 PM
he just seems like he doesn't show interest.Marcus is lazy and doesn't give a rough ridin' crap about this team.
Gopowercat.com is probably more your speed.
You mean like your observational skills and posting?
Post by: GregKSU1027 on February 28, 2015, 11:51:22 PM
How do you feel about this team going forward? Just curious.he just seems like he doesn't show interest.Marcus is lazy and doesn't give a rough ridin' crap about this team.
Gopowercat.com is probably more your speed.
You mean like your observational skills and posting?
Post by: Steffy08 on February 28, 2015, 11:53:53 PM
Post by: BostonPancake on March 01, 2015, 12:19:15 AM
If we would happen to win the tourney where the hell would we be seeded in ncaa? Are we excluded from play-in game as automatic bid? If so, are we like a 10? A 14??
In 1993 Missouri was 13-13 going in the Big 8 tournament and won it. They were seeded 10th in the NCAA tournament. Doing no research, I would think that if we won it we would be in the 12-10 seed range.
Post by: brandochav on March 01, 2015, 12:20:03 AM
Marcus is lazy and doesn't give a rough ridin' crap about this team.
Gopowercat.com is probably more your speed.
Wrong mind for this hive? :dunno:
Post by: Panjandrum on March 01, 2015, 12:29:51 AM
But I'm just hoping for the NIT at this point.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 01, 2015, 08:36:42 AM
Post by: catzacker on March 01, 2015, 08:43:24 AM
Not that it means anything, but I think CBS (and anyone with a pulse) would find us to be an entertaining #12 seed play in for the First Four.
But I'm just hoping for the NIT at this point.
eff the NIT. seriously.
Post by: mocat on March 01, 2015, 08:49:10 AM
Post by: wetwillie on March 01, 2015, 08:51:59 AM
You guys. Ksu does not win away from home
Thanks PIPE
Post by: MakeItRain on March 01, 2015, 11:20:51 AM
How do you feel about this team going forward? Just curious.he just seems like he doesn't show interest.Marcus is lazy and doesn't give a rough ridin' crap about this team.
Gopowercat.com is probably more your speed.
You mean like your observational skills and posting?
What does that have to with your observation that Marcus is lazy?
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 01, 2015, 03:20:59 PM
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 01, 2015, 03:21:51 PM
The reason i say marcus is lazy it just seems like he could do more on the defensive end thats all. If he had more playing time i feel like he would prove himself.
How do you feel about this team going forward? Just curious.he just seems like he doesn't show interest.Marcus is lazy and doesn't give a rough ridin' crap about this team.
Gopowercat.com is probably more your speed.
You mean like your observational skills and posting?
What does that have to with your observation that Marcus is lazy?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 01, 2015, 03:22:03 PM
:dunno:
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 01, 2015, 03:22:53 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 01, 2015, 03:23:12 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 01, 2015, 03:59:04 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 01, 2015, 04:02:14 PM
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@GottliebShow
Weakest Bubble Ever has gotten a lot stronger over the weekend #UConn #BYU #KState #Tulsa etc
Post by: manpow5 on March 01, 2015, 04:02:42 PM
Guys, if they can do it, then so can we.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 01, 2015, 04:23:36 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on March 01, 2015, 07:39:53 PM
Everyone wants to be the Royals. Everyone. Feels good.
Every mediocre loser hopes to win the lottery, it's true. #OurTime
Post by: kso_FAN on March 01, 2015, 07:47:29 PM
https://twitter.com/sethdavishoops/status/572182500749017089
https://twitter.com/tsnmike/status/572199220133941248
Post by: kso_FAN on March 01, 2015, 07:50:46 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 01, 2015, 07:59:20 PM
I mean, Seth Davis loves us. It's weird.
Big media (CBS) wants to award schools for scheduling. They want more games to air in the non-con.
Post by: mocat on March 01, 2015, 08:07:53 PM
Post by: Pete on March 01, 2015, 08:11:55 PM
I don't like Seth Davis
Agreed.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 01, 2015, 08:28:27 PM
I don't like Seth Davis
Agreed.
Oh, he's very annoying, green juice and all.
I'm just intrigued that he keeps going to bat for us after our week.
Our man Doug has been too.
Post by: wetwillie on March 01, 2015, 09:22:21 PM
Post by: A-Lishious on March 01, 2015, 09:25:25 PM
The only way it's even remotely possible is to make it all the way to the championship game in KC, and even then it'll probably require winning the whole thing in KC which is extremely unlikely.
Not only that, but it would have to against the top teams, not against any upsets in the bracket.
Ksu has one of the most incredibly odd resumes I've ever seen. The BigXII was so solid it provided shot after shot against ranked teams to get good wins. But the losses to the really bad teams are what I believe still points to oscar being oscar. How long would years like this with occasionally getting into the tourney keep oscar as the coach?
Post by: AndrewVonLintel on March 01, 2015, 09:30:03 PM
CBS wants us in the tournament. They would like the idea of having a 3 vs 14 matchup with a higher probability of an upset. Kansas State vs. Utah or Louisville would be great for them. They want an upset and we have a higher likelihood of giving them an upset than most 13/14 seeds would.
Doug Gottlieb has sold them (recruited) them on the idea and now they are all about us. ESPN doesn't care about us but CBS (Home of Doug Gottlieb) does
If we had not beat KU and ISU this wouldn't be a possibility but it is if we win the CTR and win our first game of the Big 12 tournament.
Honestly I am not as optimistic about the CTR as I usually am but "Why Settle for no tournament when the NCAA is available." :party:
P.S. This is all oscar's fault and indications are that next year will be worse. We have to replace Nino and Gip and at least one mystery player. oscar should still be fired. (Iowa State may have been his best coached game since he has been here though).
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 01, 2015, 09:36:42 PM
The only way it's even remotely possible is to make it all the way to the championship game in KC, and even then it'll probably require winning the whole thing in KC which is extremely unlikely.
Not only that, but it would have to against the top teams, not against any upsets in the bracket.
Ksu has one of the most incredibly odd resumes I've ever seen. The BigXII was so solid it provided shot after shot against ranked teams to get good wins. But the losses to the really bad teams are what I believe still points to oscar being oscar. How long would years like this with occasionally getting into the tourney keep oscar as the coach?
I think we have enough quality wins at this point. The problem is the overall record.
Post by: j rake on March 01, 2015, 09:37:15 PM
he says that k-state's .500 record is the definition of 'average.' if k-state had played an average schedule, he'd have a point. instead, k-state has played the seventh hardest schedule in the country, played five top-100 level teams away from home, and are on the doorstep of finishing .500 in one of the hardest leagues in ncaa history (the Big 12 ranks 4th hardest in the KenPom era, a span of 14 years).
if k-state had played a wooly non-con schedule (11 home games, none on the road), they'd have 20 wins and would be a lock for the tourney in the mind of decourcy. decourcy and every moron writer i read seems to suggest that winning 20 games is the magic number "because history suggests," etc., etc.
history is irrelevant, for a couple reasons:
1. the tourney field expanded to 68 teams only four years ago. that leaves the door open for four marginal teams that for 25 years never would have had a chance (if you go back through history, you would have seen plenty of teams with 17 or 18 wins receive an at-large).
2. we have gotten much better at evaluating the quality of teams. back in the day, win-loss records ruled the day rather than many of the criteria that the committee uses presently. power conference teams with 20 wins used to be considered sure things. if you had 20 wins and 10 league wins, you were virtually guaranteed (remember how confident huggins was in his lone season at k-state?) that's not the case anymore. because ...
3. the committee has made it clear that schedule matters. in response to this, teams are beginning to schedule more aggressively in the non-con. more games against quality teams. more games on the road. more semi-neutral games. more non-league tourneys in places like maui or vegas or florida or puerto rico.
the end result is that the 20-win season is harder to attain. not impossible, but undoubtedly harder. this is especially true if you compete in a historically difficult conference that includes six teams more or less in the top 25.
k-state has been favored in 16 games; they've been underdogs in 14.
i'm obviously fine if k-state doesn't get in (what do i care?). if other teams end up being more deserving, then good for them. but if k-state wins three more games and gets left out or isn't considered...simply because their resume doesn't conform to arbitrary historical criteria...then that would be pretty stupid.
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on March 01, 2015, 10:22:38 PM
I mean, Seth Davis loves us. It's weird.
Seth doesn't love us. He hates K-State.
Seth loves controversy & we currently offer a little bit of that.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 01, 2015, 10:51:57 PM
Post by: Steffy08 on March 01, 2015, 11:04:50 PM
https://twitter.com/tsnmike/status/572179126334971904
https://twitter.com/sethdavishoops/status/572182500749017089
https://twitter.com/tsnmike/status/572199220133941248
Michael's math isn't very good. No credibility.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 02, 2015, 12:07:08 AM
The reason i say marcus is lazy it just seems like he could do more on the defensive end thats all. If he had more playing time i feel like he would prove himself.
Fair enough, I don't think the answer for bad defense is more playing time though, not when he's been as terrible defensively as he's been.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 02, 2015, 12:12:36 AM
I know I am luking myself.....
CBS wants us in the tournament. They would like the idea of having a 3 vs 14 matchup with a higher probability of an upset. Kansas State vs. Utah or Louisville would be great for them. They want an upset and we have a higher likelihood of giving them an upset than most 13/14 seeds would.
Doug Gottlieb has sold them (recruited) them on the idea and now they are all about us. ESPN doesn't care about us but CBS (Home of Doug Gottlieb) does
If we had not beat KU and ISU this wouldn't be a possibility but it is if we win the CTR and win our first game of the Big 12 tournament.
Honestly I am not as optimistic about the CTR as I usually am but "Why Settle for no tournament when the NCAA is available." :party:
P.S. This is all oscar's fault and indications are that next year will be worse. We have to replace Nino and Gip and at least one mystery player. oscar should still be fired. (Iowa State may have been his best coached game since he has been here though).
:ROFL: this is a joke right? CBS wants K-State in the tournament :ROFL: even if they did what in the hell does that have to do with the committee? What if Turner doesn't want us in, do they play rock paper scissors with CBS to tell the committee who to pick?
Post by: chum1 on March 02, 2015, 12:25:58 AM
Post by: The Whale on March 02, 2015, 07:46:51 AM
America needs a KSU / Kentucky matchup.
Post by: HerrSonntag on March 02, 2015, 08:25:15 AM
America wants to see a 1 seed fall to a 16."We want Kentucky"
America needs a KSU / Kentucky matchup.
:ksu:
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 02, 2015, 09:04:36 AM
But if we beat Texas and win two in the B12T to make the finals, I think we slip into the NCAAs. That's 9-9 in the deepest conference, an RPI somewhere in the 50s, 18 wins, and finishing on a hot streak.
The Big 12 is a seven-bid league this year, and taking Texas over K-State (if we beat them) would be a rough ridin' joke.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 02, 2015, 10:51:18 AM
I know this is incredibly losery to say, but at this point I'd be just fine with beating Texas and locking down an NIT slot. I also think we have about a 33% chance of beating Texas on the road on senior day.
But if we beat Texas and win two in the B12T to make the finals, I think we slip into the NCAAs. That's 9-9 in the deepest conference, an RPI somewhere in the 50s, 18 wins, and finishing on a hot streak.
The Big 12 is a seven-bid league this year, and taking Texas over K-State (if we beat them) would be a rough ridin' joke.
Texas also beat us.
Post by: 'taterblast on March 02, 2015, 11:10:02 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 02, 2015, 11:16:16 AM
I know this is incredibly losery to say, but at this point I'd be just fine with beating Texas and locking down an NIT slot. I also think we have about a 33% chance of beating Texas on the road on senior day.
But if we beat Texas and win two in the B12T to make the finals, I think we slip into the NCAAs. That's 9-9 in the deepest conference, an RPI somewhere in the 50s, 18 wins, and finishing on a hot streak.
The Big 12 is a seven-bid league this year, and taking Texas over K-State (if we beat them) would be a rough ridin' joke.
Texas also beat us.
Right, but assuming we beat them this coming weekend, they'll finish 6-12 or 7-11 in conference.
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 02, 2015, 11:34:37 AM
I know this is incredibly losery to say, but at this point I'd be just fine with beating Texas and locking down an NIT slot. I also think we have about a 33% chance of beating Texas on the road on senior day.
But if we beat Texas and win two in the B12T to make the finals, I think we slip into the NCAAs. That's 9-9 in the deepest conference, an RPI somewhere in the 50s, 18 wins, and finishing on a hot streak.
The Big 12 is a seven-bid league this year, and taking Texas over K-State (if we beat them) would be a rough ridin' joke.
the NIT is creaming in their jeans thinking about a blue blood like K-State being in their tourney, the Cats are a lock already. the only thing left is to try and slip in the back door of the NCAA's.
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 02, 2015, 11:39:15 AM
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Kansas & Kansas State are the only 2 teams in college basketball with 5 wins against teams in the top 50.
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Post by: mocat on March 02, 2015, 11:49:11 AM
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 12:28:56 PM
k-state has had one truly terrible loss this year...texas southern. what are the others?
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 02, 2015, 12:36:08 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 02, 2015, 12:41:23 PM
i don't pay much attention to bubble watch, but if i'm understanding this correctly, old dominion is considered to have a better resume than k-state?
k-state has had one truly terrible loss this year...texas southern. what are the others?
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/sort/RPI/teamId/2306 (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/sort/RPI/teamId/2306)
RPI DATE TEAM Score
107 Nov. 21 @ Long Beach St 60-69
104 Dec. 6 @ Tennessee 64-65
141 Dec. 28 Texas Southern 56-58
122 Feb. 18 @ TCU 55-69
171 Feb. 4 @ Texas Tech 47-64
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 02, 2015, 12:44:34 PM
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 12:49:13 PM
i don't pay much attention to bubble watch, but if i'm understanding this correctly, old dominion is considered to have a better resume than k-state?
k-state has had one truly terrible loss this year...texas southern. what are the others?
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/sort/RPI/teamId/2306 (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/sort/RPI/teamId/2306)
RPI DATE TEAM Score
107 Nov. 21 @ Long Beach St 60-69
104 Dec. 6 @ Tennessee 64-65
141 Dec. 28 Texas Southern 56-58
122 Feb. 18 @ TCU 55-69
171 Feb. 4 @ Texas Tech 47-64
k-state was a 3-pt favorite at long beach; a 3-pt underdog at tennessee; a 3-pt underdog at TCU; and a 3.5-pt favorite at texas tech. in all four of those games, they had a rough win expectancy of between 40 percent (tenn) and 60 percent (texas tech).
the long beach game was foolish scheduling (en route to playing maui tourney), the texas tech game's final score is super misleading (it was a coin flip entering the final 5 mins per kenpom), k-state covered the spread at tenn (it was super lucky, but still), and they were listed as underdogs at TCU (the margin of defeat was bad, the loss was not).
again, none of these losses are 'terrible.'
Post by: mocat on March 02, 2015, 12:51:18 PM
i don't pay much attention to bubble watch, but if i'm understanding this correctly, old dominion is considered to have a better resume than k-state?
k-state has had one truly terrible loss this year...texas southern. what are the others?
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/sort/RPI/teamId/2306 (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/sort/RPI/teamId/2306)
RPI DATE TEAM Score
107 Nov. 21 @ Long Beach St 60-69
104 Dec. 6 @ Tennessee 64-65
141 Dec. 28 Texas Southern 56-58
122 Feb. 18 @ TCU 55-69
171 Feb. 4 @ Texas Tech 47-64
what in the world order is that?
Post by: Fldermaus on March 02, 2015, 12:56:46 PM
i don't pay much attention to bubble watch, but if i'm understanding this correctly, old dominion is considered to have a better resume than k-state?
k-state has had one truly terrible loss this year...texas southern. what are the others?
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/sort/RPI/teamId/2306 (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/sort/RPI/teamId/2306)
RPI DATE TEAM Score
107 Nov. 21 @ Long Beach St 60-69
104 Dec. 6 @ Tennessee 64-65
141 Dec. 28 Texas Southern 56-58
122 Feb. 18 @ TCU 55-69
171 Feb. 4 @ Texas Tech 47-64
k-state was a 3-pt favorite at long beach; a 3-pt underdog at tennessee; a 3-pt underdog at TCU; and a 3.5-pt favorite at texas tech. in all four of those games, they had a rough win expectancy of between 40 percent (tenn) and 60 percent (texas tech).
the long beach game was foolish scheduling (en route to playing maui tourney), the texas tech game's final score is super misleading (it was a coin flip entering the final 5 mins per kenpom), k-state covered the spread at tenn (it was super lucky, but still), and they were listed as underdogs at TCU (the margin of defeat was bad, the loss was not).
again, none of these losses are 'terrible.'
Having spreads around 3 points for all these teams is terrible, and they are all pretty embarrassing losses for an NCAA tournament team.
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 12:57:36 PM
i know they play in a dogshit conference and this in no way is an excuse for that collapse, but Texas Southern has won 13 of 15 and is projected to win out. they also currently have an RPI about 40 spots better than Tech.
i know they play in a dogshit conference and this in no way is an excuse for that collapse, but Texas Southern has won 13 of 15 and is projected to win out. they also currently have an RPI about 40 spots better than Tech.
texas southern is a classic example of ratings being misleading (they are 212th in kenpom). they had some horrid outcomes in non con, yet they beat vegas expectations in four of six (including outright wins at k-state and at michigan st, perhaps two of the five biggest "upsets" of the year). they would have performed much better against the elite schedule they faced (hardest non-con SOS) if they had anything close to realistic chance at rest. instead, they played 15 of their first 16 on the road (west coast three times; east coast twice; the north twice; the south multiple times) and went 50 days between home games.
only three times in non-con did they ever get four or more days of rest. in two of those three, they pulled off wins as 20-plus point underdogs.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 02, 2015, 12:58:15 PM
i don't pay much attention to bubble watch, but if i'm understanding this correctly, old dominion is considered to have a better resume than k-state?
k-state has had one truly terrible loss this year...texas southern. what are the others?
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/sort/RPI/teamId/2306 (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/sort/RPI/teamId/2306)
RPI DATE TEAM Score
107 Nov. 21 @ Long Beach St 60-69
104 Dec. 6 @ Tennessee 64-65
141 Dec. 28 Texas Southern 56-58
122 Feb. 18 @ TCU 55-69
171 Feb. 4 @ Texas Tech 47-64
k-state was a 3-pt favorite at long beach; a 3-pt underdog at tennessee; a 3-pt underdog at TCU; and a 3.5-pt favorite at texas tech. in all four of those games, they had a rough win expectancy of between 40 percent (tenn) and 60 percent (texas tech).
the long beach game was foolish scheduling (en route to playing maui tourney), the texas tech game's final score is super misleading (it was a coin flip entering the final 5 mins per kenpom), k-state covered the spread at tenn (it was super lucky, but still), and they were listed as underdogs at TCU (the margin of defeat was bad, the loss was not).
again, none of these losses are 'terrible.'
The spread has as much to do with how good K-State is as it does how good the competition is. That is a terrible metric to use in determining how bad a loss is. You know that, though.
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 02, 2015, 12:59:33 PM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 02, 2015, 01:04:30 PM
do they consider anything over 100 RPI a bad loss? would it be any different if Tennessee and LBSU sneak inside the top 100?It would help. LBSU doesn't have a chance tho, week opponents. Tennessee needs to win and I think that is going to be hard for them. I wouldn't sleep on TCU. They get to play at OSU and I think that is a winnable game for them. They also host ISU and that is a big opportunity for a RPI booster.
Texas Souther & Long Beach St winning their conference tournaments helps. (Tournament team talking point)
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 01:06:20 PM
Having spreads around 3 points for all these teams is terrible, and they are all pretty embarrassing losses for an NCAA tournament team.
the supposed 'elite' teams in the Big 12 were never more than 10-point favorites at TT this year. Okla, Baylor, Okla St, WVU, Texas, Iowa St were all mostly within a range of 6 to 9 point favorites on the road.
long beach was a legitimate top 100 team all season until recently (rumored locker room strife has led to their downfall). when you put them on their home court, it's the equivalent of beating a top-50 opponent. long beach played xavier, ucla, texas, san diego state, st john's in non con - all are tourney teams.
the spreads would have been the following in games played at lbsu:
xavier -4.5
ucla -3.5
sdsu -4.5
texas -8.5
st john's -3
byu -7.5
losing to a 100-level team at home is bad. losing to them on the road isn't really the disgrace that some are making it out to be. long beach took BYU to the wire on the road; they beat Xavier on neutral; they lost at San Diego St by 1. k-state was in an unreal bad spot with that game being played prior to the maui tourney, but even absent of that, it was far from a sure or easy win.
Post by: catastrophe on March 02, 2015, 01:23:26 PM
Seriously, what a hilariously weird team when some people think you are not even sniffing an NCAA berth and others think you may deserve a spot in the Top 25.
Unfortunately, with this team I honestly think we'd go further in the NCAA than the NIT.
Post by: Fldermaus on March 02, 2015, 01:31:37 PM
Having spreads around 3 points for all these teams is terrible, and they are all pretty embarrassing losses for an NCAA tournament team.
the supposed 'elite' teams in the Big 12 were never more than 10-point favorites at TT this year. Okla, Baylor, Okla St, WVU, Texas, Iowa St were all mostly within a range of 6 to 9 point favorites on the road.
long beach was a legitimate top 100 team all season until recently (rumored locker room strife has led to their downfall). when you put them on their home court, it's the equivalent of beating a top-50 opponent. long beach played xavier, ucla, texas, san diego state, st john's in non con - all are tourney teams.
the spreads would have been the following in games played at lbsu:
xavier -4.5
ucla -3.5
sdsu -4.5
texas -8.5
st john's -3
byu -7.5
losing to a 100-level team at home is bad. losing to them on the road isn't really the disgrace that some are making it out to be. long beach took BYU to the wire on the road; they beat Xavier on neutral; they lost at San Diego St by 1. k-state was in an unreal bad spot with that game being played prior to the maui tourney, but even absent of that, it was far from a sure or easy win.
Playing very bad basketball in these games is the bigger problem, imo.
Post by: j rake on March 02, 2015, 01:48:52 PM
Having spreads around 3 points for all these teams is terrible, and they are all pretty embarrassing losses for an NCAA tournament team.
the supposed 'elite' teams in the Big 12 were never more than 10-point favorites at TT this year. Okla, Baylor, Okla St, WVU, Texas, Iowa St were all mostly within a range of 6 to 9 point favorites on the road.
long beach was a legitimate top 100 team all season until recently (rumored locker room strife has led to their downfall). when you put them on their home court, it's the equivalent of beating a top-50 opponent. long beach played xavier, ucla, texas, san diego state, st john's in non con - all are tourney teams.
the spreads would have been the following in games played at lbsu:
xavier -4.5
ucla -3.5
sdsu -4.5
texas -8.5
st john's -3
byu -7.5
losing to a 100-level team at home is bad. losing to them on the road isn't really the disgrace that some are making it out to be. long beach took BYU to the wire on the road; they beat Xavier on neutral; they lost at San Diego St by 1. k-state was in an unreal bad spot with that game being played prior to the maui tourney, but even absent of that, it was far from a sure or easy win.
Playing very bad basketball in these games is the bigger problem, imo.
the margin of defeat is concerning in a few of those losses. but losing? it's not as bad as people are suggesting.
i don't mind if people argue that k-state is unworthy of making the tourney because they couldn't win those winnable games. i merely object to the presumption that these road wins at lbsu, tenn, texas tech and tcu are easy, no-doubters - because they weren't and aren't - not even for the b12's tourney locks like baylor or wvu.
Post by: TownieCat on March 02, 2015, 01:57:23 PM
QuoteKansas & Kansas State are the only 2 teams in college basketball with 5 wins against teams in the top 50.
Not sure where you got that, but it's not even close to being correct.
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on March 02, 2015, 02:40:20 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 02, 2015, 02:57:24 PM
This team would make a F4 run in the NIT. Do I really need to explain to you idiots why that's better than losing first round as a 13 seed?
that's not what he's saying, I don't think.
the way I see it (and what I thought he was saying), is this team is similar other elite programs that play uninspired in the NIT and get worked, but if they can slip into the tourney when the lights are brightest, they can play more focused and make a run. And that's exactly where I see this team (minus the neutral court/away record which is lol)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 02, 2015, 03:00:13 PM
You missed ERII's troll job last year. "He'd rather win the NIT than lose early in the dance".This team would make a F4 run in the NIT. Do I really need to explain to you idiots why that's better than losing first round as a 13 seed?
that's not what he's saying, I don't think.
the way I see it (and what I thought he was saying), is this team is similar other elite programs that play uninspired in the NIT and get worked, but if they can slip into the tourney when the lights are brightest, they can play more focused and make a run. And that's exactly where I see this team (minus the neutral court/away record which is lol)
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on March 02, 2015, 03:06:22 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 02, 2015, 03:07:28 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 02, 2015, 03:07:38 PM
Win at Texas. That likely makes the Cats the 6 seed in the Big 12s.
Then they would have to go through 2 of OU/BU/ISU to make the title game, which would mean 2 more Top 50 and Top 25 wins.
So with a loss in the title game, K-State would finish 18-16, but would have at least 9 wins over RPI top 50 teams and 7 over RPI Top 25 teams. Even with that record, it would be tough for the committee to leave them out.
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 02, 2015, 03:07:47 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on March 02, 2015, 03:08:32 PM
This team would make a F4 run in the NIT. Do I really need to explain to you idiots why that's better than losing first round as a 13 seed?you have to define better
the 13 seed is better for oscar and i think it's better for a oscar led basketball program to be able to say he has never missed the tournament at KSU
The NIT run is better for the kind of fans that only watch the cats and don't see a failure of a season being saved by a couple of pretty meaningless wins. Also cheap ass townies can go to the home games and/or sit in much better seats.
Post by: steve dave on March 02, 2015, 03:09:18 PM
This team would make a F4 run in the NIT. Do I really need to explain to you idiots why that's better than losing first round as a 13 seed?
I'd be curious to know your thinking behind this because I think it's, like, opposite day thinking
Post by: TownieCat on March 02, 2015, 03:11:28 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 02, 2015, 03:13:10 PM
In this case I firmly believe it is better to lose in the 1st round of the NCAAs than to win the NIT.
I think this is true (and should be) for like 98.7% of college basketball fans.
Post by: pvegs on March 02, 2015, 03:18:01 PM
I have luked myself. Apologies.
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 02, 2015, 03:19:04 PM
Post by: pvegs on March 02, 2015, 03:23:23 PM
it would be so oscar to win a couple NCAA tourney games if we finagle our way in.
24-16 (possibly 25-16) NCAA champs. We would need to make t-shirts and stuff.
Post by: TownieCat on March 02, 2015, 03:26:24 PM
it would be so oscar to win a couple NCAA tourney games if we finagle our way in.
That would be the Bruciest thing possible.
Post by: Unruly on March 02, 2015, 04:03:12 PM
it would be so oscar to win a couple NCAA tourney games if we finagle our way in.
24-16 (possibly 25-16) NCAA champs. We would need to make t-shirts and stuff.
We would need to make entire Tshirt factories.
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on March 02, 2015, 04:19:21 PM
The tangible route to the NCAAs without winning the Big 12 tournament.
Win at Texas. That likely makes the Cats the 6 seed in the Big 12s.
Then they would have to go through 2 of OU/BU/ISU to make the title game, which would mean 2 more Top 50 and Top 25 wins.
So with a loss in the title game, K-State would finish 18-16, but would have at least 9 wins over RPI top 50 teams and 7 over RPI Top 25 teams. Even with that record, it would be tough for the committee to leave them out.
I think we are basically a lock with the above scenario...
With that said, I also think we'd get very serious consideration and might possibly get in with a win at Texas and a win in the quarterfinals of the BigXII tourney. That puts us at 17-16 with a crap ton of RPI Top 25/50 wins.
Have to beat UT or it's all a moot point anyway.
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 02, 2015, 04:29:55 PM
QuoteKansas & Kansas State are the only 2 teams in college basketball with 5 wins against teams in the top 50.
Not sure where you got that, but it's not even close to being correct.
from a former sportscaster/sports fanatic buddy of mine.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 02, 2015, 04:30:45 PM
QuoteKansas & Kansas State are the only 2 teams in college basketball with 5 wins against teams in the top 50.
Not sure where you got that, but it's not even close to being correct.
from a former sportscaster/sports fanatic buddy of mine.
I think he meant top 25 wins.
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 02, 2015, 04:35:02 PM
QuoteKansas & Kansas State are the only 2 teams in college basketball with 5 wins against teams in the top 50.
Not sure where you got that, but it's not even close to being correct.
from a former sportscaster/sports fanatic buddy of mine.
I think he meant top 25 wins.
must be, I check the RPI charts and yeah, TONS of teams have 5 wins against Top 50 RPI teams.
Post by: TownieCat on March 02, 2015, 04:39:16 PM
Post by: Trim on March 02, 2015, 05:17:55 PM
Post by: mocat on March 02, 2015, 05:54:10 PM
Granted that these numbers change daily, but at the moment Villanova and KU have 6 top 25 RPI wins, and K-State, Baylor and UK each have 5.
Check top 20 rpi
Post by: MakeItRain on March 02, 2015, 06:21:33 PM
In this case I firmly believe it is better to lose in the 1st round of the NCAAs than to win the NIT.
I think this is true (and should be) for like 98.7% of college basketball fans.
The actual first round, in Dayton? Not sure if I agree, it certainly merits a discussion. I mean losing on a Tuesday night on TruTV isn't something you should be snooty about.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 02, 2015, 06:23:31 PM
In this case I firmly believe it is better to lose in the 1st round of the NCAAs than to win the NIT.
I think this is true (and should be) for like 98.7% of college basketball fans.
The actual first round, in Dayton? Not sure if I agree, it certainly merits a discussion. I mean losing on a Tuesday night on TruTV isn't something you should be snooty about.
Yeah, I would probably exclude play-in 12s or 11s.
Post by: AndrewVonLintel on March 02, 2015, 06:36:41 PM
i don't pay much attention to bubble watch, but if i'm understanding this correctly, old dominion is considered to have a better resume than k-state?
k-state has had one truly terrible loss this year...texas southern. what are the others?
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/sort/RPI/teamId/2306 (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/sort/RPI/teamId/2306)
RPI DATE TEAM Score
107 Nov. 21 @ Long Beach St 60-69
104 Dec. 6 @ Tennessee 64-65
141 Dec. 28 Texas Southern 56-58
122 Feb. 18 @ TCU 55-69
171 Feb. 4 @ Texas Tech 47-64
k-state was a 3-pt favorite at long beach; a 3-pt underdog at tennessee; a 3-pt underdog at TCU; and a 3.5-pt favorite at texas tech. in all four of those games, they had a rough win expectancy of between 40 percent (tenn) and 60 percent (texas tech).
the long beach game was foolish scheduling (en route to playing maui tourney), the texas tech game's final score is super misleading (it was a coin flip entering the final 5 mins per kenpom), k-state covered the spread at tenn (it was super lucky, but still), and they were listed as underdogs at TCU (the margin of defeat was bad, the loss was not).
again, none of these losses are 'terrible.'
They are all terrible losses.... We can make Brucexcuses for them but they are not in any way good.....
NCAA tournament teams will usually have one or two but 5 is absolutely not excusable. An NCAA tournament team should look at those 5 games and be pissed when they lose one of them.
This is the main reason I am still very comfortable with firing oscar at anytime.
We have the most interesting (ridiculous) resume in the country and it will be very interesting to see what happens.....
I want us to win every game..... but I am intrigued by what the committee would do if we beat Texas + 1.
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on March 02, 2015, 06:47:11 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 02, 2015, 06:48:12 PM
it's hard to believe anyone here thinks differently, but maybe no one does
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 02, 2015, 07:11:04 PM
'14/'15 Brucecats: team of destiny.
Post by: TownieCat on March 02, 2015, 07:16:10 PM
Guys I dont know why nobody has said it but I know everybody is thinking it:Yup. Nigel=Kemba/Shabazz.
'14/'15 Brucecats: team of destiny.
Post by: pissclams on March 02, 2015, 07:28:38 PM
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Post by: kso_FAN on March 02, 2015, 09:25:25 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 02, 2015, 09:27:01 PM
Is the Trex cafe Ft worth in this analogy?
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No. Ft. Worth is the NIT. T-Rex Cafe is still T-Rex Cafe.
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Post by: pvegs on March 02, 2015, 09:34:58 PM
I hope the 'cats squeak in to the tournament and get shipped to seattle and pvegs and I can pay like $10 each to lol at the game live. Probably need to sneak in booze and a chat machine though.
Would be amazing. We could go to the giant Dick's (yes, I know) in Lower Queen Anne for pre-game.
Post by: Trim on March 02, 2015, 09:49:54 PM
I hope the 'cats squeak in to the tournament and get shipped to seattle and pvegs and I can pay like $10 each to lol at the game live. Probably need to sneak in booze and a chat machine though.
Would be amazing. We could go to the giant Dick's (yes, I know) in Lower Queen Anne for pre-game.
Tradition would be some random poster on here telling us to meet him at some bar that turns out to be the biggest bar in america for whatever team we're playing. And that would be super fun too.
Post by: mocat on March 03, 2015, 11:53:39 AM
Granted that these numbers change daily, but at the moment Villanova and KU have 6 top 25 RPI wins, and K-State, Baylor and UK each have 5.
Check top 20 rpi
yeah, it's RPI top 20 wins.
Villanova has 1
Gonzaga has 1
Wisconsin has 1
Notre Dame has 2
Baylor has 3
ISU has 3
Arizona has 3
UK has 4
Virginia has 4
Duke has 4
KU has 5
KSU has 5
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 03, 2015, 11:55:39 AM
Granted that these numbers change daily, but at the moment Villanova and KU have 6 top 25 RPI wins, and K-State, Baylor and UK each have 5.
Check top 20 rpi
yeah, it's RPI top 20 wins.
Villanova has 1
Gonzaga has 1
Wisconsin has 1
Notre Dame has 2
Baylor has 3
ISU has 3
Arizona has 3
UK has 4
Virginia has 4
Duke has 4
KU has 5
KSU has 5
KSU getting left out would be a travesty.
Post by: sys on March 03, 2015, 12:24:07 PM
This is also where kenpom ratings are funny. Wooly's 05 team finished 17-12 and rated #73 in kenpom, but their 3 best wins were #44 ISU, #47 aTm, and #74 Washington State.
computers believe all the data equally. human brains don't like discordant data. so they tend to discard or discount the data points they find less preferable, less relevant or less convincing.
Post by: pissclams on March 03, 2015, 12:33:30 PM
even weirder still is that human brains tell computer brains what to believeThis is also where kenpom ratings are funny. Wooly's 05 team finished 17-12 and rated #73 in kenpom, but their 3 best wins were #44 ISU, #47 aTm, and #74 Washington State.
computers believe all the data equally. human brains don't like discordant data. so they tend to discard or discount the data points they find less preferable, less relevant or less convincing.
Post by: kslim on March 03, 2015, 12:41:34 PM
Post by: sys on March 03, 2015, 12:43:50 PM
computers believe all the data equally. human brains don't like discordant data. so they tend to discard or discount the data points they find less preferable, less relevant or less convincing.even weirder still is that human brains tell computer brains what to believe
what i say, not what i do.
Post by: wetwillie on March 03, 2015, 01:33:31 PM
Post by: chum1 on March 03, 2015, 01:42:37 PM
Post by: #LIFE on March 03, 2015, 01:43:32 PM
This living on the bubble stuff is hard to get accustomed too. It's much simpler to be very bad I think.
Yeah. Leave it to oscar to flip the NOS switch 3 feet from the finish line
Post by: catastrophe on March 03, 2015, 01:53:51 PM
This living on the bubble stuff is hard to get accustomed too. It's much simpler to be very bad I think.
Yeah. Leave it to oscar to flip the NOS switch 3 feet from the finish line
This is a pretty perfect analogy, really.
I don't know. I agree the resume is not a typical NCAA resume, but if I could sneak into the Tournament committee meeting I would scream "so what if K-State sucks against crappy teams, there's no chance they'll get matched up with one in the NCAA Tourney!"
Has anyone looked into K-State's record against prospective NCAA teams? Wouldn't that be weird if we had a winning record amongst the teams that make it in?
Post by: TownieCat on March 03, 2015, 02:33:27 PM
This living on the bubble stuff is hard to get accustomed too. It's much simpler to be very bad I think.
Yeah. Leave it to oscar to flip the NOS switch 3 feet from the finish line
This is a pretty perfect analogy, really.
I don't know. I agree the resume is not a typical NCAA resume, but if I could sneak into the Tournament committee meeting I would scream "so what if K-State sucks against crappy teams, there's no chance they'll get matched up with one in the NCAA Tourney!"
Has anyone looked into K-State's record against prospective NCAA teams? Wouldn't that be weird if we had a winning record amongst the teams that make it in?
We've played 11 teams in Lunardi's latest Bracketology and have beaten 7 of them.
Post by: Yard Dog on March 03, 2015, 03:23:59 PM
This living on the bubble stuff is hard to get accustomed too. It's much simpler to be very bad I think.
Yeah. Leave it to oscar to flip the NOS switch 3 feet from the finish line
This is a pretty perfect analogy, really.
I don't know. I agree the resume is not a typical NCAA resume, but if I could sneak into the Tournament committee meeting I would scream "so what if K-State sucks against crappy teams, there's no chance they'll get matched up with one in the NCAA Tourney!"
Has anyone looked into K-State's record against prospective NCAA teams? Wouldn't that be weird if we had a winning record amongst the teams that make it in?
We've played 11 teams in Lunardi's latest Bracketology and have beaten 7 of them.
Does your 11 include Texas Southern? :facepalm:
Post by: kslim on March 03, 2015, 03:31:45 PM
well they won their conference so yes. any other brain busters?This living on the bubble stuff is hard to get accustomed too. It's much simpler to be very bad I think.
Yeah. Leave it to oscar to flip the NOS switch 3 feet from the finish line
This is a pretty perfect analogy, really.
I don't know. I agree the resume is not a typical NCAA resume, but if I could sneak into the Tournament committee meeting I would scream "so what if K-State sucks against crappy teams, there's no chance they'll get matched up with one in the NCAA Tourney!"
Has anyone looked into K-State's record against prospective NCAA teams? Wouldn't that be weird if we had a winning record amongst the teams that make it in?
We've played 11 teams in Lunardi's latest Bracketology and have beaten 7 of them.
Does your 11 include Texas Southern? :facepalm:
Post by: TownieCat on March 03, 2015, 03:36:28 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on March 03, 2015, 03:41:16 PM
well they won their conference so yes. any other brain busters?This living on the bubble stuff is hard to get accustomed too. It's much simpler to be very bad I think.
Yeah. Leave it to oscar to flip the NOS switch 3 feet from the finish line
This is a pretty perfect analogy, really.
I don't know. I agree the resume is not a typical NCAA resume, but if I could sneak into the Tournament committee meeting I would scream "so what if K-State sucks against crappy teams, there's no chance they'll get matched up with one in the NCAA Tourney!"
Has anyone looked into K-State's record against prospective NCAA teams? Wouldn't that be weird if we had a winning record amongst the teams that make it in?
We've played 11 teams in Lunardi's latest Bracketology and have beaten 7 of them.
Does your 11 include Texas Southern? :facepalm:
It doesn't mean crap if they don't win their conference tournament.
Post by: Trim on March 03, 2015, 03:48:08 PM
We've played 11 teams in Lunardi's latest Bracketology and have beaten 7 of them.
Purdue, Arizona, Texas A&M, Texas So, Georgia, and the 6 Big 12 teams. Our record is 8-9 vs those teams.
:lol:
Post by: TownieCat on March 03, 2015, 03:52:05 PM
We've played 11 teams in Lunardi's latest Bracketology and have beaten 7 of them.Purdue, Arizona, Texas A&M, Texas So, Georgia, and the 6 Big 12 teams. Our record is 8-9 vs those teams.
:lol:
:confused:
Post by: Trim on March 03, 2015, 03:55:30 PM
:confused:
Your first pitch, posted in response to a question of what our record is against likely tournament teams, leads the reader to think that record is 7-4.
Post by: TownieCat on March 03, 2015, 04:06:21 PM
Good thing I cleared things up in my second "pitch".:confused:
Your first pitch, posted in response to a question of what our record is against likely tournament teams, leads the reader to think that record is 7-4.
Post by: Trim on March 03, 2015, 04:08:07 PM
Good thing I cleared things up in my second "pitch".:confused:
Your first pitch, posted in response to a question of what our record is against likely tournament teams, leads the reader to think that record is 7-4.
Use the first one in Indianapolis.
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 04, 2015, 11:55:59 AM
Post by: pissclams on March 04, 2015, 01:00:21 PM
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 04, 2015, 01:41:50 PM
jerry rosie palms is such a dickheadYeah he really is.
Post by: PIPE on March 04, 2015, 02:26:12 PM
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Post by: AndrewVonLintel on March 04, 2015, 08:30:49 PM
Nebraska was 19-12 (obviously this looks better than the 17-16 or 18-16 record we will put up if we want to have a prayer of getting in. I think it is unanimous that K-State has to beat Texas and get at least one win in the NCAA tournament).
Nebraska had
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/year/2014/sort/RPI/groupId/7/teamId/158
4 losses to RPI 100+
4 wins RPI 0-100
and was 11-7 in the Big 10. lost first game of Big 10 tournament.
Strength of schedule was 32.
RPI was 49
K-State in 2015 has
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/groupId/8/teamId/2306
8 wins RPI 1-100
5 losses RPI 100+
SOS of 17 and improving
RPI currently of 80 which isn't good enough right now.
If K-State beats Texas RPI (38) and the Big 12 3 seed,
we would have 10 RPI wins 1-100
and an RPI in the mid 50s.... I think.
The NCAA should be a possibility. Some on the committee might get stuck on the quantity of our losses (like Palm) but we clearly had a tougher schedule than #11 seed Nebraska last year. We only would have 1 more bad loss even though we would have played 2 or 3 more games than Nebraska did last year.
The biggest positive for Nebraska was a 11-7 Big Ten Record (11-8 after tournament)
K-State in my proposed scenario would be 9-9 (10-10 after tournament).
I think that the Cats would be very interesting for the committee with two more wins. Not for sure in but very interesting. Some people are very focused on quality wins. Some people are focused on conference results and how you played in February/March.
The most interesting resume got much more interesting after this week.
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 04, 2015, 11:21:26 PM
I was glancing at Nebraska's recipe to get into the tournament last year.Some studly stats you have shown us. Cats have a shot its either us or texas. We have to beat them this weekend and then go further than them in the tourney amd we are in. Because as of now texas is on the bubble and if we just show the committee that we are better than texas then they have to let us in. Right?
Nebraska was 19-12 (obviously this looks better than the 17-16 or 18-16 record we will put up if we want to have a prayer of getting in. I think it is unanimous that K-State has to beat Texas and get at least one win in the NCAA tournament).
Nebraska had
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/year/2014/sort/RPI/groupId/7/teamId/158
4 losses to RPI 100+
4 wins RPI 0-100
and was 11-7 in the Big 10. lost first game of Big 10 tournament.
Strength of schedule was 32.
RPI was 49
K-State in 2015 has
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/groupId/8/teamId/2306
8 wins RPI 1-100
5 losses RPI 100+
SOS of 17 and improving
RPI currently of 80 which isn't good enough right now.
If K-State beats Texas RPI (38) and the Big 12 3 seed,
we would have 10 RPI wins 1-100
and an RPI in the mid 50s.... I think.
The NCAA should be a possibility. Some on the committee might get stuck on the quantity of our losses (like Palm) but we clearly had a tougher schedule than #11 seed Nebraska last year. We only would have 1 more bad loss even though we would have played 2 or 3 more games than Nebraska did last year.
The biggest positive for Nebraska was a 11-7 Big Ten Record (11-8 after tournament)
K-State in my proposed scenario would be 9-9 (10-10 after tournament).
I think that the Cats would be very interesting for the committee with two more wins. Not for sure in but very interesting. Some people are very focused on quality wins. Some people are focused on conference results and how you played in February/March.
The most interesting resume got much more interesting after this week.
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 04, 2015, 11:24:27 PM
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Post by: Mr Bread on March 05, 2015, 02:09:03 AM
And the committee wants upsets
wtf greg, jfc.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 05, 2015, 06:23:29 AM
Not too worried about isu or ou in the big xii. It is what it is
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 05, 2015, 07:50:39 AM
Basically, I'm trying to say you're all wasting your time arguing about making the NCAA.I hope you eat your words
Post by: slobber on March 05, 2015, 08:47:37 AM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: That_Guy on March 05, 2015, 08:47:38 AM
Basically, I'm trying to say you're all wasting your time arguing about making the NCAA.I hope you eat your words
Lol
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Post by: sunny_cat on March 05, 2015, 09:02:31 AM
We won't beat Texas and we sure as hell won't win a B12 tournament game.This is correct
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 05, 2015, 10:59:29 AM
Really going out on a limb with these predictos you guys.We won't beat Texas and we sure as hell won't win a B12 tournament game.This is correct
Post by: AndrewVonLintel on March 05, 2015, 05:38:33 PM
I really want us to win 2 more and see what the committee does....