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Re: I just can't get my head around why . . .
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2015, 03:03:53 PM »

LOL. We won 4 top 30 rpi games. It is not a talent issue it is not a strategy issue. It is a mismanaging issue. We have terrible effort and make day 1 mistakes constantly.

Don't strategy and managing go hand in hand? 

Talent is there, but development definitely is not.  Not one player has made a good stride since last season and many have declined severely.  That is on the assistant coaches and the guy who hired them and the culture they have set.

Nino is better, but everyone else is the same or worse.

Nino seems slightly improved but it's mainly due to him getting more minutes and shots than last year.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but he shot the same or slightly better and had more rebounds last year but was playing half the minutes??

Either way, we need an overhaul.

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« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2015, 03:05:27 PM »
I posted a per 100 thread comparing last year and this last week. Nino is better.

But yeah, we need to get a lot better a lot of places next year.

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Re: I just can't get my head around why . . .
« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2015, 03:09:28 PM »
this was oscar before the texas tech game:

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“They play hard and they control tempo,” Weber said. “I think that is just his M.O. That is how they play. I guess it is our style, too. We don’t have the ability this year to explode and go get a lot of points. So I hope we make a bunch of shots and they don’t, but if it goes according to what has happened it is probably going to be a hard-fought, low-scoring game.”

weber has a gift for demonstrating a lack of confidence and uncertainty with the spoken word. i mean, the guy is what he is - a serial hope trafficker. but if you can't articulate your style of play and must use phrases like 'i guess' we are this...or 'i guess' we are that...then it's totally fair to question your ability.


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Re: I just can't get my head around why . . .
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2015, 03:12:20 PM »
I posted a per 100 thread comparing last year and this last week. Nino is better.

But yeah, we need to get a lot better a lot of places next year.
I don't think individual development is the problem. Think a lot of players shooting skill have improved. It more of a failure of team development. If that makes sense.

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Re: I just can't get my head around why . . .
« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2015, 03:12:53 PM »
It almost seems as if communicating a vision of what kind of team oscar wants his team to be to his actual team might be something that hasn't been accomplished.

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« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2015, 03:17:27 PM »
It almost seems as if communicating a vision of what kind of team oscar wants his team to be to his actual team might be something that hasn't been accomplished.

I feel like he tried this with his ridiculous point system.  He has to have a vision, it just seems to be he can't communicate (or they don't understand) each individual players role in achieving that vision or style of play.

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Re: I just can't get my head around why . . .
« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2015, 03:19:52 PM »

It almost seems as if communicating a vision of what kind of team oscar wants his team to be to his actual team might be something that hasn't been accomplished.

No doubt. Going from high pace to start the season, then slowing to a snail's pace after Georgia would suggest this. Also, the slow down may have contributed to the discontent.

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« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2015, 03:26:04 PM »
I just don't know how you can look at our roster and say the talent is there.  We don't have a high major pg and the tallest post player with any competence is 6'6.  Justin, Jevon, Nigel, Hurt and Bolden are not high major players.  The sample size on tre harris is so low that i can't really make that determination but he's likely not one either.   
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Re: I just can't get my head around why . . .
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2015, 03:35:03 PM »

It almost seems as if communicating a vision of what kind of team oscar wants his team to be to his actual team might be something that hasn't been accomplished.

No doubt. Going from high pace to start the season, then slowing to a snail's pace after Georgia would suggest this. Also, the slow down may have contributed to the discontent.

i have no issue with a coach changing strategy, even if it's done during midseason, as long as it's for the right reasons. thad matta had ohio state playing 95 percent zone for the first time in his career during non-con, then said eff it and went back to man midway through the Big Ten opener. jim larranaga has constantly reinvented miami's style of play on both ends over the last two years.

the problem with oscar's midseason adjustment is that i suspect his main motivation for playing slower was to reduce possessions in an effort to make the losses more respectable. impossibly, the losses have somehow gotten worse.

ksu_FAN documented how horrible the baylor loss was. but losing by 17 at texas tech (0.86 ppp in B12 play) while giving up 67 points on 50 possessions? that is remarkable ineptitude.

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« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2015, 03:40:04 PM »

It almost seems as if communicating a vision of what kind of team oscar wants his team to be to his actual team might be something that hasn't been accomplished.

No doubt. Going from high pace to start the season, then slowing to a snail's pace after Georgia would suggest this. Also, the slow down may have contributed to the discontent.

i have no issue with a coach changing strategy, even if it's done during midseason, as long as it's for the right reasons. thad matta had ohio state playing 95 percent zone for the first time in his career during non-con, then said eff it and went back to man midway through the Big Ten opener. jim larranaga has constantly reinvented miami's style of play on both ends over the last two years.

the problem with oscar's midseason adjustment is that i suspect his main motivation for playing slower was to reduce possessions in an effort to make the losses more respectable. impossibly, the losses have somehow gotten worse.

ksu_FAN documented how horrible the baylor loss was. but losing by 17 at texas tech (0.86 ppp in B12 play) while giving up 67 points on 50 possessions? that is remarkable ineptitude.


All of this.

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« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2015, 03:40:44 PM »
What will it take at this point to get a "I was coaching not to lose" admission this year?

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Re: I just can't get my head around why . . .
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2015, 03:44:04 PM »
What will it take at this point to get a "I was coaching not to lose" admission this year?

With all the dumb crap that comes out of his mouth it is certainly a possibility

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« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2015, 03:46:06 PM »
would be nice if someone in the media would ask him why he hasn't learned from his past self-admitted mistake:

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"The sad thing about the whole thing I guess is it's my fault," Weber said Wednesday. "Instead of creating toughness and developing a team, I coached not to lose all year. It's sad to be honest, but it is what is."

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« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2015, 03:47:43 PM »

would be nice if someone in the media would ask him why he hasn't learned from his past self-admitted mistake:

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"The sad thing about the whole thing I guess is it's my fault," Weber said Wednesday. "Instead of creating toughness and developing a team, I coached not to lose all year. It's sad to be honest, but it is what is."

This. My goodness.

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Re: I just can't get my head around why . . .
« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2015, 03:50:03 PM »
Dscott seems like he has had enough.   May be up for some hard questions given another Brucegame or two.  Tweet him and he may run with it.

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Re: I just can't get my head around why . . .
« Reply #40 on: February 22, 2015, 03:51:35 PM »
Timing may be perfect for both gE and WackyCat for gE to finally get that press pass.  :dunno:

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Re: I just can't get my head around why . . .
« Reply #41 on: February 22, 2015, 04:05:09 PM »


It almost seems as if communicating a vision of what kind of team oscar wants his team to be to his actual team might be something that hasn't been accomplished.

No doubt. Going from high pace to start the season, then slowing to a snail's pace after Georgia would suggest this. Also, the slow down may have contributed to the discontent.

i have no issue with a coach changing strategy, even if it's done during midseason, as long as it's for the right reasons. thad matta had ohio state playing 95 percent zone for the first time in his career during non-con, then said eff it and went back to man midway through the Big Ten opener. jim larranaga has constantly reinvented miami's style of play on both ends over the last two years.

the problem with oscar's midseason adjustment is that i suspect his main motivation for playing slower was to reduce possessions in an effort to make the losses more respectable. impossibly, the losses have somehow gotten worse.

ksu_FAN documented how horrible the baylor loss was. but losing by 17 at texas tech (0.86 ppp in B12 play) while giving up 67 points on 50 possessions? that is remarkable ineptitude.

Tech loss was -0.34 ppp differential. #17 worst in the last 15 years. Particularly bad since they aren't even a top 150 team.

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Re: I just can't get my head around why . . .
« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2015, 04:23:20 PM »
Tech loss was -0.34 ppp differential. #17 worst in the last 15 years. Particularly bad since they aren't even a top 150 team.

yeah, that's what made it worse to me. i saw baylor go 1.32 ppp vs texas, 1.25 vs memphis, etc. so they are at least capable of such a performance. before scoring 67 on 50 poss vs. ksu, tech had 1 ppp plus only once in its previous nine league games - and that's on a technicality (foul fest finish vs iowa st).

since the k-state win, tech has gone 0.6, 0.84, 0.79, 0.88, 1.04.

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Re: I just can't get my head around why . . .
« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2015, 05:46:56 PM »
A few weeks back I was firmly in the "let's not speed it up, it'll only make things worse" camp, but after the debacle that has continued since I'm less certain. Regardless, terrible PG play would be bad slow or fast paced. I would be interested to see Wes and Justin in a fast paced offense though. Maybe just have Marcus with the ball in his hands as much as either PG?

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Re: I just can't get my head around why . . .
« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2015, 06:01:30 PM »
the entire team is out of shape and incapable of playing fast.

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Re: I just can't get my head around why . . .
« Reply #45 on: February 22, 2015, 06:04:47 PM »
teams beat better teams all the time, you are your record.


good teams have good guards.

You don't see a team do it 4 times in one season all that often.

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Re: I just can't get my head around why . . .
« Reply #46 on: February 22, 2015, 06:27:50 PM »
If they're going to live with poor shooting, take more shots.  Buckets win.

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Re: I just can't get my head around why . . .
« Reply #47 on: February 22, 2015, 06:37:50 PM »
It's really disappointing to watch this team score 83 points or more four times in the first seven games, and then score less than 60 in regulation eleven times already during conference play. I understand the pace has been slower and competition has been better, but that sure as crap can't account fully for that big of a scoring discrepancy.
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Re: I just can't get my head around why . . .
« Reply #48 on: February 22, 2015, 07:29:35 PM »
You know it's bad when D. Scott "it's never the coaches fault" Fritchen has given up on the coaches.


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Re: I just can't get my head around why . . .
« Reply #49 on: February 22, 2015, 07:35:52 PM »
You know it's bad when D. Scott "it's never the coaches fault" Fritchen has given up on the coaches.

Yeah, anyone defending debruce now needs put in a home, if they're not already there