Author Topic: I just can't get my head around why . . . (Read 5149 times)

sonofdaxjones · « **on:** February 22, 2015, 12:27:02 PM »

oscar decided that just because we had some turnovers and what not, that we needed to slow it down and play slothkestball with this collection of players.

My observo's say putting guys like Jevon Thomas, Nigel and others in a slow pace only pronounces the need for them to make great decisions all the time, and literally have to try and QB a half court offense when they're clearly not capable of doing it.

I don't know, but I'd rather take my chances pushing the ball, up tempo than try and beat anyone with this personnel running a half court offense.

It's those kinds of things that are fireable offenses. It's over coaching and oscar is the king of over coaching.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #1 on:** February 22, 2015, 12:30:33 PM »

Slower pace means more control for the coach.

Boondock Poonhound · « **Reply #2 on:** February 22, 2015, 12:32:30 PM »

Justin, Marcus, and Wesley can finish at the rim and would flourish in an uptempo system. But Nooooooooo, lets slow this rough rider down and put our inexperienced pg's in more positions to fail.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #3 on:** February 22, 2015, 12:33:55 PM »

He likes to spread (the blame)

wetwillie · « **Reply #4 on:** February 22, 2015, 12:38:53 PM »

his strategy isn't the problem. He failed to recruit talented players. He was just fine with the 2012-13 group because he had good players.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #5 on:** February 22, 2015, 12:40:44 PM »

We all know about the recruiting . . . but in this case he recruited guys who are better getting up and down the floor than trying to slug it in the half court.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #6 on:** February 22, 2015, 12:43:44 PM »

It's funny that he started this year playing faster, but then slowed it down for dumb reasons. Mainly he thought his control would work, but it's failed miserably. Probably the worst failure of his coaching career, which is really saying something.

wetwillie · « **Reply #7 on:** February 22, 2015, 12:44:05 PM »

Quote from: sonofdaxjones on February 22, 2015, 12:40:44 PM

We all know about the recruiting . . . but in this case he recruited guys who are better getting up and down the floor than trying to slug it in the half court.

Which of the players were recruited to get up and down?

EMAWzified · « **Reply #8 on:** February 22, 2015, 12:49:44 PM »

It's not the first time he's pulled this crap, tho. His first year after losing by a respectful score to KU at Doom while missing a bunch of open threes, he decided in the Big-12 championship game we had to hold the ball deep into the possession against very good defensive team.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #9 on:** February 22, 2015, 12:52:14 PM »

Quote from: wetwillie on February 22, 2015, 12:44:05 PM

Quote from: sonofdaxjones on February 22, 2015, 12:40:44 PM
We all know about the recruiting . . . but in this case he recruited guys who are better getting up and down the floor than trying to slug it in the half court.

Which of the players were recruited to get up and down?

I didn't say they were specifically recruited to get up and down the floor, its just that style better suits them as players. Don't make this hard.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #10 on:** February 22, 2015, 12:55:45 PM »

Wes, Jevon, Nigel, Justin, Malik would all better do better in a fast paced offense. Wes is so good in transition and when we were playing fast Nigel was much better. Jevon serves virtually no purpose in a half court offense. Nino and Marcus can do either equally well.

Our transition defense is a whole another kind of garbage, however.

The Whale · « **Reply #11 on:** February 22, 2015, 12:56:53 PM »

The 4-out motion offense seems doomed to failure in games where Gip is going against taller, more skilled bigs (KU, UT, Baylor).

It also seems like there's not nearly enough motion off the ball for a "motion" offense

Shooter Jones · « **Reply #12 on:** February 22, 2015, 12:57:37 PM »

Simply put, this is oscar's fault for not recruiting players that fit his system better, and now, not adjusting his system to fit his players better. Adapt or die.

CHONGS · « **Reply #13 on:** February 22, 2015, 01:13:09 PM »

He's simply playing the game the way it was meant to be played. You can keep your street ball, I think I'll listen to the coach who has won five conference titles.

sys · « **Reply #14 on:** February 22, 2015, 01:28:02 PM »

the team would still suck. it's the players.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #15 on:** February 22, 2015, 01:28:35 PM »

Quote from: sys on February 22, 2015, 01:28:02 PM

the team would still suck. it's the players.

Yeah, this seems accurate.

EMAWzified · « **Reply #16 on:** February 22, 2015, 01:30:37 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on February 22, 2015, 01:28:35 PM

Quote from: sys on February 22, 2015, 01:28:02 PM
the team would still suck. it's the players.

Yeah, this seems accurate.

And the defense would still suck.

Mixed-Nutz · « **Reply #17 on:** February 22, 2015, 01:53:19 PM »

LOL. We won 4 top 30 rpi games. It is not a talent issue it is not a strategy issue. It is a mismanaging issue. We have terrible effort and make day 1 mistakes constantly.

scottwildcat · « **Reply #18 on:** February 22, 2015, 02:00:40 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on February 22, 2015, 01:28:35 PM

Quote from: sys on February 22, 2015, 01:28:02 PM
the team would still suck. it's the players.

Yeah, this seems accurate.

This is a top half of the Big 12 and a Tournament team with a better coach. There is enough talent there

kso_FAN · « **Reply #19 on:** February 22, 2015, 02:02:10 PM »

Quote from: Mixed-Nutz on February 22, 2015, 01:53:19 PM

LOL. We won 4 top 30 rpi games. It is not a talent issue it is not a strategy issue. It is a mismanaging issue. We have terrible effort and make day 1 mistakes constantly.

Yeah, that's what makes it worse. oscar has coached some good games and the players have played well at times. Then they come back and coach/play terribly. I guess that summarizes oscar's career pretty much.

sys · « **Reply #20 on:** February 22, 2015, 02:06:23 PM »

teams beat better teams all the time, you are your record.

good teams have good guards.

Boondock Poonhound · « **Reply #21 on:** February 22, 2015, 02:15:33 PM »

Quote from: sys on February 22, 2015, 02:06:23 PM

teams beat better teams all the time, you are your record.

good teams have good guards.

West Virginia.

Mixed-Nutz · « **Reply #22 on:** February 22, 2015, 02:21:35 PM »

The Chip is no longer on the shoulder.

Dub · « **Reply #23 on:** February 22, 2015, 02:52:08 PM »

Quote from: Mixed-Nutz on February 22, 2015, 01:53:19 PM

LOL. We won 4 top 30 rpi games. It is not a talent issue it is not a strategy issue. It is a mismanaging issue. We have terrible effort and make day 1 mistakes constantly.

Don't strategy and managing go hand in hand?

Talent is there, but development definitely is not. Not one player has made a good stride since last season and many have declined severely. That is on the assistant coaches and the guy who hired them and the culture they have set.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #24 on:** February 22, 2015, 02:56:30 PM »

Quote from: Dub on February 22, 2015, 02:52:08 PM

Quote from: Mixed-Nutz on February 22, 2015, 01:53:19 PM
LOL. We won 4 top 30 rpi games. It is not a talent issue it is not a strategy issue. It is a mismanaging issue. We have terrible effort and make day 1 mistakes constantly.

Don't strategy and managing go hand in hand?

Talent is there, but development definitely is not. Not one player has made a good stride since last season and many have declined severely. That is on the assistant coaches and the guy who hired them and the culture they have set.

Nino is better, but everyone else is the same or worse.