Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[Willesgirl]

I'm not sure if the SEC really improved their brand, though. At some point, if half of the league continues to be shitty going forward, talking heads will catch on.

You're way over-estimating the intelligence of the talking heads.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I'm not sure if the SEC really improved their brand, though. At some point, if half of the league continues to be shitty going forward, talking heads will catch on.

None of the major members of the sports media will call out the SEC and the fact that they only have so many highly ranked teams because none of them play each other until they go a couple years without winning a title

I don't think they will win the title this year.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I'm not sure if the SEC really improved their brand, though. At some point, if half of the league continues to be shitty going forward, talking heads will catch on.

  best joke posted om in this thread. Poor MU's brand, even after this year is better because of the SEC

MU has no brand that I am aware of. They had nothing before, and they have nothing now.

[Shacks]

I'm not sure if the SEC really improved their brand, though. At some point, if half of the league continues to be shitty going forward, talking heads will catch on.

None of the major members of the sports media will call out the SEC and the fact that they only have so many highly ranked teams because none of them play each other until they go a couple years without winning a title

I don't think they will win the title this year.

If Notre Dame wins, the media will still be all over the SEC.  After all, the team that beats them is independent, so it's not like they will have another conference to hype up instead.  Also, should Notre Dame beat Alabama, you know the talking point will still be "The SEC had X amount of teams finish in the top 10!!!!"

["storm"nut]

10 may be just fine.'
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8736544/sec-big-ten-big-12-pac-12-acc-average-91-million-new-playoff-format-sources-say

Big earnings for power conferences
Updated: December 11, 2012, 12:51 PM ET
By Brett McMurphy | ESPN

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NEW YORK -- The financial gap between college football's haves and have-nots is about to grow even larger.

During the 12-year contract for college football's new playoff format, the nation's five power conferences (SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and ACC) will earn an average of nearly $75 million more per year than the smaller leagues known as the "group of five."

From 2014-25, the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and ACC will earn an average of at least $91 million annually, sources told ESPN. By comparison, the average for the group of five -- Big East, Mountain West, Mid-American, Conference USA and Sun Belt -- during that 12-year period will be about $17.25 million annually.

The BCS recently signed a 12-year contract with ESPN. The deal averages to $470 million annually, sources said. Of that amount, about $125 million is expected to go toward expenses, including an academic reward component, game participation, team expenses, allotment to Football Championship Subdivision conferences and other items.

It leaves an average of $345 million annually, which the commissioners have decided to split in two ways: 75 percent ($258.75 million) divided equally between the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and ACC, and the remaining 25 percent ($86.25 million) divided among the Big East, MWC, MAC, C-USA and Sun Belt.

That alone gives the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and ACC an average of $51.75 million annually. The SEC, Big 12, Pac-12 and Big Ten also will each receive an additional $40 million annually for their contract bowl deals with ESPN: Allstate Sugar (SEC, Big 12) and Rose Bowl Game presented by Vizio (Pac-12, Big 12).

The ACC also will earn at least an additional $27.5 million annually for its ESPN contract bowl deal with the Orange. The ACC's opponent will either be Notre Dame or a team from the SEC and Big Ten. If the SEC or Big Ten places a team in the Orange Bowl, that league would earn another $27.5 million, increasing the SEC or Big Ten's playoff revenue share to $118 million.

Notre Dame's exact compensation for playing in the Orange Bowl during the ESPN deal is not known, but sources told ESPN it would be "substantially less" than the $27.5 million payout to an ACC, SEC or Big Ten team.

In the new playoff format, Notre Dame is expected to receive an average of about $4 million during the 12-year contract, sources said. If the Irish play in the national semifinals or one of the six major bowls, Notre Dame would receive a great deal more than the $4 million amount.

Only three of those six major, or host, bowls that will hold the semifinals have been determined: Rose, Sugar and Orange. The other three are expected to be Fiesta, Cotton and Chick-fil-A, sources told ESPN.

The SEC, at least in 2014, will be rewarded financially for its past on-field success, having won six consecutive BCS titles. Sources said the SEC should receive more playoff revenue in 2014 than any other league.

In the current BCS system, the SEC, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC and Big East each received an automatic BCS bowl berth, earning each league $23.6 million. If a league received a second BCS bowl berth, it earned an additional $6.2 million.

So while the SEC, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac-12 and ACC will increase from $23.6 million to an average of $91 million over the 12-year period, the Big East will see a decline in revenues in the new format. That's because automatic-qualifying designations will end in 2014. The Presidential Oversight Committee and the commissioners determined the Big East was no longer a power conference because of the number of teams that have left the league.

So the Big East will be included in the "group of five." Those conferences, the Big East, MAC, Sun Belt, MWC and C-USA, must determine how to distribute their $86.25 million amongst themselves.

In the past, those leagues, formally known as the non-automatic qualifying conferences, gave each league the same base amount and then rewarded the conferences based on their cumulative BCS ranking as a conference. Exactly how that will be done in the new system is still being negotiated between the Big East, MAC, Sun Belt, MWC and C-USA, sources said.

While the Big East's average annual revenue from the new playoff will be reduced by about $5 million annually, the remaining smaller conferences -- C-USA, Sun Belt, MWC and MAC -- will see an increase of at least five times what they received in the BCS system.

Also included in the new $470 million of annual revenue is $37.5 million for schools that meet the NCAA's minimum academic requirement, or Academic Progress Rate scores. Each conference will receive $300,000 per school to be distributed to each league member that meets the NCAA's minimum APR.

Nebraska president Harvey Perlman said last month in Denver that only the schools in each league that meet the APR requirements will receive that money.

Using Perlman's example, the Big Ten (with 14 members) will have $4.2 million to distribute to its member schools that meet the APR numbers. If all 14 meet the APR standard, they each would receive $300,000 each. However, if only 12 of 14 met the standard, those dozen schools would receive $350,000 and the two schools that didn't meet the standard, would not receive any of the academic money.

All of the financial figures are annual average projections, based on gross value, and could fluctuate each year depending on the yearly revenue.

[pissclams]

well that's good news for us tenites, storm nut

[Emo EMAW]

So Boise State gained absolutely nothing by moving to the Big East, right?

["storm"nut]

So Boise State gained absolutely nothing by moving to the Big East, right?

Increased travel expensive (more chances of their Semi blowing up cattle)

[PIPE]

10 may be just fine.'
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8736544/sec-big-ten-big-12-pac-12-acc-average-91-million-new-playoff-format-sources-say

Big earnings for power conferences
Updated: December 11, 2012, 12:51 PM ET
By Brett McMurphy | ESPN

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NEW YORK -- The financial gap between college football's haves and have-nots is about to grow even larger.

During the 12-year contract for college football's new playoff format, the nation's five power conferences (SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and ACC) will earn an average of nearly $75 million more per year than the smaller leagues known as the "group of five."

From 2014-25, the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and ACC will earn an average of at least $91 million annually, sources told ESPN. By comparison, the average for the group of five -- Big East, Mountain West, Mid-American, Conference USA and Sun Belt -- during that 12-year period will be about $17.25 million annually.

The BCS recently signed a 12-year contract with ESPN. The deal averages to $470 million annually, sources said. Of that amount, about $125 million is expected to go toward expenses, including an academic reward component, game participation, team expenses, allotment to Football Championship Subdivision conferences and other items.

It leaves an average of $345 million annually, which the commissioners have decided to split in two ways: 75 percent ($258.75 million) divided equally between the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and ACC, and the remaining 25 percent ($86.25 million) divided among the Big East, MWC, MAC, C-USA and Sun Belt.

That alone gives the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and ACC an average of $51.75 million annually. The SEC, Big 12, Pac-12 and Big Ten also will each receive an additional $40 million annually for their contract bowl deals with ESPN: Allstate Sugar (SEC, Big 12) and Rose Bowl Game presented by Vizio (Pac-12, Big 12).

The ACC also will earn at least an additional $27.5 million annually for its ESPN contract bowl deal with the Orange. The ACC's opponent will either be Notre Dame or a team from the SEC and Big Ten. If the SEC or Big Ten places a team in the Orange Bowl, that league would earn another $27.5 million, increasing the SEC or Big Ten's playoff revenue share to $118 million.

Notre Dame's exact compensation for playing in the Orange Bowl during the ESPN deal is not known, but sources told ESPN it would be "substantially less" than the $27.5 million payout to an ACC, SEC or Big Ten team.

In the new playoff format, Notre Dame is expected to receive an average of about $4 million during the 12-year contract, sources said. If the Irish play in the national semifinals or one of the six major bowls, Notre Dame would receive a great deal more than the $4 million amount.

Only three of those six major, or host, bowls that will hold the semifinals have been determined: Rose, Sugar and Orange. The other three are expected to be Fiesta, Cotton and Chick-fil-A, sources told ESPN.

The SEC, at least in 2014, will be rewarded financially for its past on-field success, having won six consecutive BCS titles. Sources said the SEC should receive more playoff revenue in 2014 than any other league.

In the current BCS system, the SEC, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC and Big East each received an automatic BCS bowl berth, earning each league $23.6 million. If a league received a second BCS bowl berth, it earned an additional $6.2 million.

So while the SEC, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac-12 and ACC will increase from $23.6 million to an average of $91 million over the 12-year period, the Big East will see a decline in revenues in the new format. That's because automatic-qualifying designations will end in 2014. The Presidential Oversight Committee and the commissioners determined the Big East was no longer a power conference because of the number of teams that have left the league.

So the Big East will be included in the "group of five." Those conferences, the Big East, MAC, Sun Belt, MWC and C-USA, must determine how to distribute their $86.25 million amongst themselves.

In the past, those leagues, formally known as the non-automatic qualifying conferences, gave each league the same base amount and then rewarded the conferences based on their cumulative BCS ranking as a conference. Exactly how that will be done in the new system is still being negotiated between the Big East, MAC, Sun Belt, MWC and C-USA, sources said.

While the Big East's average annual revenue from the new playoff will be reduced by about $5 million annually, the remaining smaller conferences -- C-USA, Sun Belt, MWC and MAC -- will see an increase of at least five times what they received in the BCS system.

Also included in the new $470 million of annual revenue is $37.5 million for schools that meet the NCAA's minimum academic requirement, or Academic Progress Rate scores. Each conference will receive $300,000 per school to be distributed to each league member that meets the NCAA's minimum APR.

Nebraska president Harvey Perlman said last month in Denver that only the schools in each league that meet the APR requirements will receive that money.

Using Perlman's example, the Big Ten (with 14 members) will have $4.2 million to distribute to its member schools that meet the APR numbers. If all 14 meet the APR standard, they each would receive $300,000 each. However, if only 12 of 14 met the standard, those dozen schools would receive $350,000 and the two schools that didn't meet the standard, would not receive any of the academic money.

All of the financial figures are annual average projections, based on gross value, and could fluctuate each year depending on the yearly revenue.

Holy Crap!   Either ESPN is huge beyond huge, or they are living the American dream and just living off of tremendous amount of debt.....which would kind of be funny if all of a sudden they just filed bankruptcy..

[Emo EMAW]

Supposedly worth $40B.

[Emo EMAW]

Supposedly worth $40B.

The DIS balance sheets don't specifically break out their 80% ownership of ESPN as a line item.  Also it's tough to tell the income attributable to ESPN.  I haven't looked at the annual report of the other company with the 20% stake, bet it's more clear.  Will do later.

[MadCat]

anyone butthurt that orange bowl opponent will be notre dame, sec or big ten?

[Rage Against the McKee]

anyone butthurt that orange bowl opponent will be notre dame, sec or big ten?

No, not at all. Why would we want any chance of getting stuck with the garbage ACC team?

[MakeItRain]

So Boise State gained absolutely nothing by moving to the Big East, right?

Increased travel expensive (more chances of their Semi blowing up cattle)

Boise and SDSU will go the MWC, likely that BYU will too.

["storm"nut]

So Boise State gained absolutely nothing by moving to the Big East, right?

Increased travel expensive (more chances of their Semi blowing up cattle)

Boise and SDSU will go the MWC, likely that BYU will too.

Agree, Big East is going to be a Basketball conference with some football very soon.

[Panjandrum]

So Boise State gained absolutely nothing by moving to the Big East, right?

Increased travel expensive (more chances of their Semi blowing up cattle)

Boise and SDSU will go the MWC, likely that BYU will too.

Agree, Big East is going to be a Basketball conference with some football very soon.

The Big East, as we know it, is not going to exist in the next few years.

The basketball schools will peel off.  I think it's just a matter of time before the Catholic BBall schools end up merging with some of the best schools in the A-10 to create a conference full of private basketball schools in large metro areas.

Think of something like this:

St. John's (New York)
Providence
Georgetown (DC)
Villanova (Philly)
Seton Hall (Newark...essentially)
Marquette (Milwaukee)
DePaul (Chicago)
Butler (Indianapolis)
Xavier (Cincinnati)
St. Louis
Dayton
VCU (Richmond)

I realize VCU isn't private, but if you're creating a mid-major all-star conference, this would be it.  You could create two divisions where the five "original" Big East teams are in a division with VCU, and Marquette and DePaul can now have much closer games to reduce travel costs.

Once the Big East we know dies, there will be a void in NYC during conference tournament season.  MSG could, ultimately, end up being a destination for the ACC, Big Ten, and (New) Big East.  Years where the conference tournament isn't played in MSG, it could be held in Chicago, Indy, Cincy, etc.

I think there is a lot of potential there, and it would make a tremendous league that would be a fantastic addition to the college landscape.

[ben ji]

All this talk about the big east BBall tourney got me thinking.

I would love to see a "Holiday Classic" Tournament in KC where we get the old crew back together. I'm thinking an 8 team tournament. KSU,KU,MU,NU,ISU and rotate out 3 other regional type schools like Creighton,Missouri State, Wichita St, Colorado ETC.

Obviously there are some issues with the KU/MU butthurt, ku/ksu not wanting to play Wich st and the whole playing conference games in the non con but I'd still like to see it happen.

Just think about if it was this year the week after christmas.

Saturday Dec 29th.
First Round
KU vs Creighton 12pm
KSU vs Wichita St 3pm

BREAK
ISU vs Nebraska 7pm
MU vs Missouri State 10pm

Second Round
Sunday Dec 30th
KU vs KSU 3pm
MU vs ISU 6pm

Championship Round
Monday December 31st
KU vs MU 7pm

[Cartierfor3]

All this talk about the big east BBall tourney got me thinking.

I would love to see a "Holiday Classic" Tournament in KC where we get the old crew back together. I'm thinking an 8 team tournament. KSU,KU,MU,NU,ISU and rotate out 3 other regional type schools like Creighton,Missouri State, Wichita St, Colorado ETC.

Obviously there are some issues with the KU/MU butthurt, ku/ksu not wanting to play Wich st and the whole playing conference games in the non con but I'd still like to see it happen.

Just think about if it was this year the week after christmas.

Saturday Dec 29th.
First Round
KU vs Creighton 12pm
KSU vs Wichita St 3pm

BREAK
ISU vs Nebraska 7pm
MU vs Missouri State 10pm

Second Round
Sunday Dec 30th
KU vs KSU 3pm
MU vs ISU 6pm

Championship Round
Monday December 31st
KU vs MU 7pm

I wouldn't just chalk up our game against Wichita St as a win there bud. 

[Winters]

All this talk about the big east BBall tourney got me thinking.

I would love to see a "Holiday Classic" Tournament in KC where we get the old crew back together. I'm thinking an 8 team tournament. KSU,KU,MU,NU,ISU and rotate out 3 other regional type schools like Creighton,Missouri State, Wichita St, Colorado ETC.

Obviously there are some issues with the KU/MU butthurt, ku/ksu not wanting to play Wich st and the whole playing conference games in the non con but I'd still like to see it happen.

Just think about if it was this year the week after christmas.

Saturday Dec 29th.
First Round
KU vs Creighton 12pm
KSU vs Wichita St 3pm

BREAK
ISU vs Nebraska 7pm
MU vs Missouri State 10pm

Second Round
Sunday Dec 30th
KU vs KSU 3pm
MU vs ISU 6pm

Championship Round
Monday December 31st
KU vs MU 7pm

Should've put us in the title game 

[Dugout DickStone]

All this talk about the big east BBall tourney got me thinking.

I would love to see a "Holiday Classic" Tournament in KC where we get the old crew back together. I'm thinking an 8 team tournament. KSU,KU,MU,NU,ISU and rotate out 3 other regional type schools like Creighton,Missouri State, Wichita St, Colorado ETC.

Obviously there are some issues with the KU/MU butthurt, ku/ksu not wanting to play Wich st and the whole playing conference games in the non con but I'd still like to see it happen.

Just think about if it was this year the week after christmas.

Saturday Dec 29th.
First Round
KU vs Creighton 12pm
KSU vs Wichita St 3pm

BREAK
ISU vs Nebraska 7pm
MU vs Missouri State 10pm

Second Round
Sunday Dec 30th
KU vs KSU 3pm
MU vs ISU 6pm

Championship Round
Monday December 31st
KU vs MU 7pm

I wouldn't just chalk up our game against Wichita St as a win there bud.

Wichita State couldn't carry our jock in a wheelbarrow.

[bigwillie20]

WSU fans are the absolute worst

[Panjandrum]

So Boise State gained absolutely nothing by moving to the Big East, right?

Increased travel expensive (more chances of their Semi blowing up cattle)

Boise and SDSU will go the MWC, likely that BYU will too.

I believe Joe Castiglione when he says that, eventually, the Group of Five conferences are going to see all kinds of movement in the coming years.

If we get to a point where the playoffs expand to 16 teams (which is possible, but unlikely), I could easily see a scenario where you have four major conferences (Big 12, Pac 12, SEC, Big Ten) get two teams into the playoff with the smaller conferences getting a single bid.  At that point, you'll probably see a lot of these mid-majors split apart and become smaller, more geographically relevant entities.

[scottwildcat]

All this talk about the big east BBall tourney got me thinking.

I would love to see a "Holiday Classic" Tournament in KC where we get the old crew back together. I'm thinking an 8 team tournament. KSU,KU,MU,NU,ISU and rotate out 3 other regional type schools like Creighton,Missouri State, Wichita St, Colorado ETC.

Obviously there are some issues with the KU/MU butthurt, ku/ksu not wanting to play Wich st and the whole playing conference games in the non con but I'd still like to see it happen.

Just think about if it was this year the week after christmas.

Saturday Dec 29th.
First Round
KU vs Creighton 12pm
KSU vs Wichita St 3pm

BREAK
ISU vs Nebraska 7pm
MU vs Missouri State 10pm

Second Round
Sunday Dec 30th
KU vs KSU 3pm
MU vs ISU 6pm

Championship Round
Monday December 31st
KU vs MU 7pm

 Like the idea but ISU KU and KSU would not play each other in a preseason tournament.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

So Boise State gained absolutely nothing by moving to the Big East, right?

Increased travel expensive (more chances of their Semi blowing up cattle)

Boise and SDSU will go the MWC, likely that BYU will too.

Agree, Big East is going to be a Basketball conference with some football very soon.

I could see SDSU possibly getting into the PAC if they feel the need to expand.

[michigancat]

So Boise State gained absolutely nothing by moving to the Big East, right?

Increased travel expensive (more chances of their Semi blowing up cattle)

Boise and SDSU will go the MWC, likely that BYU will too.

Agree, Big East is going to be a Basketball conference with some football very soon.

I could see SDSU possibly getting into the PAC if they feel the need to expand.

you should consider visiting your local optometrist.