Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[wabash909]

I'm feeling a lot better after Panjandrum's breakdown.

Now, let's go get FSU and Louisville and a Big12 Championship game.

[Panjandrum]

It is completely true that you can build more crap for the same cost in Manhattan vs. Just about anywhere

But that's not an excuse for screwing up a tv deal.

The TV deal wasn't screwed up.  For all intents and purposes, they hit a home run and laid the ground work (depending on who they can get for expansion) for a grand slam.

[Panjandrum]

FYI - This television contract is the only one inside of the five major conferences that allows Notre Dame to retain access to their Tier 3 rights with the ability to start their own network or monetize additional inventory.

I can't really underscore the significance of this, especially if their continued issues getting non-BCS bowl tie ins continues to be incredibly problematic.

[Panjandrum]

I'm feeling a lot better after Panjandrum's breakdown.

Now, let's go get FSU and Louisville and a Big12 Championship game.

I think ND's bowl troubles could slow down expansion because it probably gives people like Bob Bowlsby and Deloss Dodds hope that they'll join given how all of the TV stuff has worked out for the conferences.

There has been no notification that ND is partnering with the ACC in the Orange Bowl.  I think they're waiting because they need to flush out how they'll handle non-BCS years before they commit to the whole "Orange Bowl or Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl" dichotomy that is their current reality.

[MadCat]

What in the world are you guys talking about?  Good lawd.

Only that $20mil / year seems pretty good now but in 2025 or whatever, it might be enough to purchase a cheeseburger.

[Dugout DickStone]

What in the world are you guys talking about?  Good lawd.

Only that $20mil / year seems pretty good now but in 2025 or whatever, it might be enough to purchase a cheeseburger.

Is there a "things as obvious as KSU's sexiness" thread to move this to?

[sonofdaxjones]

Maybe I missed something .  .  . but is there a bullet point anywhere that stipulates that the contract is chisled in stone, with hammers dripping in blood?

Do we know that there's no options of any kind writen into the contract?  No, for lack of a better word re-opening/re-addressing windows within the term?   Just staight out, iron clad the whole term of the contract?

Just a little tidbit to think about . . .  the Big 12's previous ESPN contract still had another 2 years on it.   The Big 12's previous Fox contract was in its initial year, this year.

[Panjandrum]

Maybe I missed something .  .  . but is there a bullet point anywhere that stipulates that the contract is chisled in stone, with hammers dripping in blood?

Do we know that there's no options of any kind writen into the contract?  No, for lack of a better word re-opening/re-addressing windows within the term?   Just staight out, iron clad the whole term of the contract?

Just a little tidbit to think about . . .  the Big 12's previous ESPN contract still had another 2 years on it.   The Big 12's previous Fox contract was in its initial year, this year.

Here you go.

http://www.big12sports.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?catid=1308&id=1042614

[Panjandrum]

Also, if anyone cares, they interviewed Currie about the new deal.

http://www.big12sports.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?catid=1308&id=1042613

[wabash909]

Also, if anyone cares, they interviewed Currie about the new deal.

http://www.big12sports.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?catid=1308&id=1042613

What a fantastic interview. 

[Katpappy]

Also, if anyone cares, they interviewed Currie about the new deal.

http://www.big12sports.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?catid=1308&id=1042613

Can anyone have a more phonier smile.  Reminds of someone, but I just can't recall who.

[Pete]

Also, if anyone cares, they interviewed Currie about the new deal.

http://www.big12sports.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?catid=1308&id=1042613

Can anyone have a more phonier smile.  Reminds of someone, but I just can't recall who.

Doug Niedermeir.

[ZappaCat]

Also, if anyone cares, they interviewed Currie about the new deal.

http://www.big12sports.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?catid=1308&id=1042613

Can anyone have a more phonier smile.  Reminds of someone, but I just can't recall who.

Doug Niedermeir.

Niedermeyer—

Dead!

[Pete]

Was going to say Marmalard, but no way Currie could be an editor.

[Dugout DickStone]

The Senator they thought killed Chandra Levy.

[SdK]

Also, if anyone cares, they interviewed Currie about the new deal.

http://www.big12sports.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?catid=1308&id=1042613

Can anyone have a more phonier smile.  Reminds of someone, but I just can't recall who.

I think he just has some Joe Randa in him

[Benja]

All of this information has been out there for nearly two months.  None of this is a surprise.

The whole concept of these "all-in" deals is that the big-time schools sacrifice some of their potential earnings for completely equal revenue sharing with the smaller-market schools.  The Pac-12, Big Ten, and ACC all throw their money into one big pot and cut everyone the same check.  USC gets as much as WSU, Michigan
gets the same amount as Northwestern, and FSU gets the same check Wake Forest does. etc.  There are no other television or digital rights to monetize.  They are all in.  The SEC may end up going that route, but the details of Project SEC are still kind of under wraps.

The Big 12 decided to go a different route.  We get paid nearly the same amount for our core rights (Tier 1 &
2) that the Pac-12 does ($20.8 million vs. $20 million).  However, we don't throw our Tier 3 into a pot like they do, nor do we have a CCG to monetize.  Texas gets $15 million for the LHN on top of the "core" rights.  So, their total payout will be $35 million.  OU, depending on how much they get for their Tier 3 (let's assume it's around $8-10 million), get as much, or more, than Pac-12 schools.  Hell, KU, who commands somewhere between $7-9 million for their Tier 3 rights (due to all of those locally broadcasted non-con basketball games
on JTV), will pull in roughly the same revenue as USC, UCLA, and Oregon.  KSU, who probably commands somewhere in the $3-5 million range for K-StateHD.tv and our Tier 3 basketball games (I'm just guessing) will make as much as most Big Ten teams and nearly $7-9 million more, annually, than teams like Florida State, North Carolina, Virgina Tech, and Duke.

See, the key here is that the schools that we anchor our conference around have an extremely competitive core compensation package and a flexible Tier 3 structure that allow them to make tremendous sums of money.  They don't have to sacrifice value for the sake of solidarity.  We threw all of that crap out the door
two years ago.  That's why Florida State is on the table; presuming we can get another team to come with them that can keep us at our $20 million value for Tier 1/2, they can monetize their Tier 3 rights and make roughly $10 million more annually than they are now, and that's not including Champions Bowl revenue, CCG revenue, Playoff revenue, bowl revenues (that will be higher than the ACC), etc.

The Big 12's TV deal is excellent, and the flexible Tier 3 structure puts attractive schools (even Notre Dame in doomsday scenarios) into play because we don't force big-time programs to revenue share with
 schools that can't command that type of value on the open market.

So, in other words, everyone calm the eff down.

Thank you pan

[kim carnes]

All of this information has been out there for nearly two months.  None of this is a surprise.

The whole concept of these "all-in" deals is that the big-time schools sacrifice some of their potential earnings for completely equal revenue sharing with the smaller-market schools.  The Pac-12, Big Ten, and ACC all throw their money into one big pot and cut everyone the same check.  USC gets as much as WSU, Michigan gets the same amount as Northwestern, and FSU gets the same check Wake Forest does. etc.  There are no other television or digital rights to monetize.  They are all in.  The SEC may end up going that route, but the details of Project SEC are still kind of under wraps.

The Big 12 decided to go a different route.  We get paid nearly the same amount for our core rights (Tier 1 & 2) that the Pac-12 does ($20.8 million vs. $20 million).  However, we don't throw our Tier 3 into a pot like they do, nor do we have a CCG to monetize.  Texas gets $15 million for the LHN on top of the "core" rights.  So, their total payout will be $35 million.  OU, depending on how much they get for their Tier 3 (let's assume it's around $8-10 million), get as much, or more, than Pac-12 schools.  Hell, KU, who commands somewhere between $7-9 million for their Tier 3 rights (due to all of those locally broadcasted non-con basketball games on JTV), will pull in roughly the same revenue as USC, UCLA, and Oregon.  KSU, who probably commands somewhere in the $3-5 million range for K-StateHD.tv and our Tier 3 basketball games (I'm just guessing) will make as much as most Big Ten teams and nearly $7-9 million more, annually, than teams like Florida State, North Carolina, Virgina Tech, and Duke.

See, the key here is that the schools that we anchor our conference around have an extremely competitive core compensation package and a flexible Tier 3 structure that allow them to make tremendous sums of money.  They don't have to sacrifice value for the sake of solidarity.  We threw all of that crap out the door two years ago.  That's why Florida State is on the table; presuming we can get another team to come with them that can keep us at our $20 million value for Tier 1/2, they can monetize their Tier 3 rights and make roughly $10 million more annually than they are now, and that's not including Champions Bowl revenue, CCG revenue, Playoff revenue, bowl revenues (that will be higher than the ACC), etc.

The Big 12's TV deal is excellent, and the flexible Tier 3 structure puts attractive schools (even Notre Dame in doomsday scenarios) into play because we don't force big-time programs to revenue share with schools that can't command that type of value on the open market.

So, in other words, everyone calm the eff down.

Hey panj, thanks for informing us about tier 3 revenue, i had never heard of that before. 

[Trim]

Also, if anyone cares, they interviewed Currie about the new deal.

http://www.big12sports.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?catid=1308&id=1042613

http://www.kstatesports.com/blog/2012/09/letter-from-ad-john-currie---september-7.html

[SdK]

Also, if anyone cares, they interviewed Currie about the new deal.

http://www.big12sports.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?catid=1308&id=1042613

http://www.kstatesports.com/blog/2012/09/letter-from-ad-john-currie---september-7.html

5:35 a.m. - Boarding pass in hand, I arrive at MHK where parking is free and security is friendly and fast.

  but also 

[SdK]

The eff with the Learfield props? Where's the LEARFIELD!  ?

  is now 

[SdK]

But....Currie you son of a bitch

The only downer was our approach is directly from the south - no fly-over above the cranes at LHC Bill Snyder Family Stadium ... this time!

Brought me back. 

[Katpappy]

Also, if anyone cares, they interviewed Currie about the new deal.

http://www.big12sports.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?catid=1308&id=1042613

Can anyone have a more phonier smile.  Reminds of someone, but I just can't recall who.

Doug Niedermeir.

The hard nosed dick from Animal House.   

[wetwillie]

5:30 p.m. - I arrive back at the DFW airport to meet with Learfield Sports executive VP Andy Rawlings. Learfield Sports is our multi-media rights holder and partner. It does a great job managing our corporate partnerships, our signage and videoboard, as well as the radio network and third-tier TV. In those rapidly evolving areas there is always much to catch up on and strategize about.

[Panjandrum]

Hey panj, thanks for informing us about tier 3 revenue, i had never heard of that before. 

Hey kim, stfu.