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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #21100 on: June 29, 2012, 09:37:47 AM »
I'm not really sure what everyone is fighting about at this point.  I'm really confused.

I'm mocking kstate fans for thinking this new system has already screwed them in some way.  it's fun.  you should join in.  this thing isn't getting to 1,000 pages on greg swaim retweets alone.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #21101 on: June 29, 2012, 09:39:40 AM »
Again, don't get too upset with the new structure, because I bet they expand it to 12 very soon....I think those extra bowls are part of a plan, or at least a contingency for the impending outcry from the public to expand the playoff.

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« Reply #21102 on: June 29, 2012, 09:42:07 AM »
Again, don't get too upset with the new structure, because I bet they expand it to 12 very soon....I think those extra bowls are part of a plan, or at least a contingency for the impending outcry from the public to expand the playoff.

Never thought of that.  Bring in lower bowls to use as earlier round games if needed, keeps the Orange Bowl from throwing up road blocks when it is set as a lesser game than the Fiesta in some years by hosting an early round game.   :thumbs:
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #21103 on: June 29, 2012, 09:45:52 AM »
Again, what's the point of the playoff? 

Make money and shut up the whiners.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #21104 on: June 29, 2012, 10:00:32 AM »
Again, don't get too upset with the new structure, because I bet they expand it to 12 very soon....I think those extra bowls are part of a plan, or at least a contingency for the impending outcry from the public to expand the playoff.

I agree that they'll probably want to expand (for the sake of cash and cries for access), but I think if they do, the first round will have to be on-campus a couple of weeks before the BCS games.

CCGs happen the first week of December, 1st round on-campus will be the third week of December.  BCS will be January 1-whatever, NC game would be the second Saturday or Monday in January.

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« Reply #21105 on: June 29, 2012, 10:02:40 AM »
Again, what's the point of the playoff? 

Make money and shut up the whiners.
Good point and well said, but Belvis has a good point too... entertainment.
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« Reply #21106 on: June 29, 2012, 10:06:15 AM »
Again, what's the point of the playoff? 

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« Reply #21107 on: June 29, 2012, 10:06:36 AM »
Again, what's the point of the playoff? 

Make money and shut up the whiners.
Good point and well said, but Belvis has a good point too... entertainment.

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« Reply #21108 on: June 29, 2012, 10:10:14 AM »
Again, what's the point of the playoff? 

Make money and shut up the whiners.
Good point and well said, but Belvis has a good point too... entertainment.

entertainment is a front for money
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« Reply #21109 on: June 29, 2012, 10:21:38 AM »

the reason for the playoff was to fix the BCS because people wouldn't quit bitching about how it didn't get the best teams on the firld (though it did a surprisingly good job of getting the best teams relative to the amount of butthurt it caused).  the reason for the BCS was to get one champion instead of having years of split national champions.  I think the 4 team playoff accomplished that goal.

I understand the reason behind the BCS.  And I understand the playoff was intended to fix the problems with the BCS.  the question is whether a 4 team playoff was the best model for truly fixing the problem.  It's a better model than what we've currently got, no question.  But, if they were going to take the landmark step of abolishing the current system and enacting a whole new scheme, I think most fans would like to have seen it go a little further. 

A big reason is because the big boys from different conferences rarely play eachother during the non-con and, as such, there is always some amount of subjective slant.  An undefeated Pac12 team might not be as good as a 3 loss SEC team.  A 1 loss big 10 team might be about the same as a 2-loss BigXII team.  An undefeated cindarella (Boise, TCU) might be better than an undefeated ACC team.  We don't know because there isn't any meaningful interleague play.  Little guys like Boise, KU, Utah, TCU have routinely beat the bigger names in the past 6 BCS bowl seasons.  When a Utah handles an Alabama or a Boise handles an OU in a BCS bowl, there will always be that question.  That's why I think it would be better to grant AQ status to some select conference champs and then allow 2 or 3 cindarella season teams into the mix just to see "what if."  I think it would be much more telling as to how these teams stack up.  It would also solve the debate as to whether the little guys like TCU or Boise can actually do it on a week to week basis, as opposed to a flash in the pan performance after a month of preparation.   

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« Reply #21110 on: June 29, 2012, 10:27:06 AM »
I understand the reason behind the BCS.  And I understand the playoff was intended to fix the problems with the BCS.  the question is whether a 4 team playoff was the best model for truly fixing the problem.  It's a better model than what we've currently got, no question.  But, if they were going to take the landmark step of abolishing the current system and enacting a whole new scheme, I think most fans would like to have seen it go a little further. 

Progress in college football is painfully slow.  It took them over a hundred years to say, "Hey, let's have a mini-playoff."

I think they'll expand the playoff, eventually, but this is just another baby step.

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« Reply #21111 on: June 29, 2012, 10:31:23 AM »

the reason for the playoff was to fix the BCS because people wouldn't quit bitching about how it didn't get the best teams on the firld (though it did a surprisingly good job of getting the best teams relative to the amount of butthurt it caused).  the reason for the BCS was to get one champion instead of having years of split national champions.  I think the 4 team playoff accomplished that goal.

I understand the reason behind the BCS.  And I understand the playoff was intended to fix the problems with the BCS.  the question is whether a 4 team playoff was the best model for truly fixing the problem.  It's a better model than what we've currently got, no question.  But, if they were going to take the landmark step of abolishing the current system and enacting a whole new scheme, I think most fans would like to have seen it go a little further. 

A big reason is because the big boys from different conferences rarely play eachother during the non-con and, as such, there is always some amount of subjective slant.  An undefeated Pac12 team might not be as good as a 3 loss SEC team.  A 1 loss big 10 team might be about the same as a 2-loss BigXII team.  An undefeated cindarella (Boise, TCU) might be better than an undefeated ACC team.  We don't know because there isn't any meaningful interleague play.  Little guys like Boise, KU, Utah, TCU have routinely beat the bigger names in the past 6 BCS bowl seasons.  When a Utah handles an Alabama or a Boise handles an OU in a BCS bowl, there will always be that question.  That's why I think it would be better to grant AQ status to some select conference champs and then allow 2 or 3 cindarella season teams into the mix just to see "what if."  I think it would be much more telling as to how these teams stack up.  It would also solve the debate as to whether the little guys like TCU or Boise can actually do it on a week to week basis, as opposed to a flash in the pan performance after a month of preparation.

A 3 loss SEC team shouldn't expect or receive the right to play for a national title.

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« Reply #21112 on: June 29, 2012, 10:32:34 AM »

the reason for the playoff was to fix the BCS because people wouldn't quit bitching about how it didn't get the best teams on the firld (though it did a surprisingly good job of getting the best teams relative to the amount of butthurt it caused).  the reason for the BCS was to get one champion instead of having years of split national champions.  I think the 4 team playoff accomplished that goal.

I understand the reason behind the BCS.  And I understand the playoff was intended to fix the problems with the BCS.  the question is whether a 4 team playoff was the best model for truly fixing the problem.  It's a better model than what we've currently got, no question.  But, if they were going to take the landmark step of abolishing the current system and enacting a whole new scheme, I think most fans would like to have seen it go a little further. 

A big reason is because the big boys from different conferences rarely play eachother during the non-con and, as such, there is always some amount of subjective slant.  An undefeated Pac12 team might not be as good as a 3 loss SEC team.  A 1 loss big 10 team might be about the same as a 2-loss BigXII team.  An undefeated cindarella (Boise, TCU) might be better than an undefeated ACC team.  We don't know because there isn't any meaningful interleague play.  Little guys like Boise, KU, Utah, TCU have routinely beat the bigger names in the past 6 BCS bowl seasons.  When a Utah handles an Alabama or a Boise handles an OU in a BCS bowl, there will always be that question.  That's why I think it would be better to grant AQ status to some select conference champs and then allow 2 or 3 cindarella season teams into the mix just to see "what if."  I think it would be much more telling as to how these teams stack up.  It would also solve the debate as to whether the little guys like TCU or Boise can actually do it on a week to week basis, as opposed to a flash in the pan performance after a month of preparation.

yeah, that's why the big 10 and pac 12 want AQ champs.  because they know their garbage conferences are going to have years of not getting their best team (who has three losses) selected in the 4 team playoff. 

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« Reply #21113 on: June 29, 2012, 10:34:45 AM »
no one really knows what they want.  even if they think they do.  as such, they're just going to bitch regardless.

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« Reply #21114 on: June 29, 2012, 10:37:08 AM »
no one really knows what they want.  even if they think they do.  as such, they're just going to bitch regardless.

yeah

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« Reply #21115 on: June 29, 2012, 01:25:42 PM »
I think people want a good cross section.  People want Butler in the Final 4.  People want Boise State to beat Oklahoma.  People want to see the Yankees and Heat lose.  People want david and goliath. 

A playoff between Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, and Kentucky - every single year - is not compelling. 


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« Reply #21116 on: June 29, 2012, 01:31:52 PM »
I think people want a good cross section.  People want Butler in the Final 4.  People want Boise State to beat Oklahoma.  People want to see the Yankees and Heat lose.  People want david and goliath. 

A playoff between Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, and Kentucky - every single year - is not compelling.

I don't want any of that crap in my college football.  I want to see the two best teams play to see who's better. 

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« Reply #21117 on: June 29, 2012, 02:29:19 PM »

I don't want any of that crap in my college football.


If the average college football fan were polled, I think you'd be in the vast minority. 


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« Reply #21118 on: June 29, 2012, 02:30:37 PM »
Only because K-State is America's team.  :lynchmob:

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« Reply #21119 on: June 29, 2012, 02:37:01 PM »
I only read this thread to find tweets from ITK or pseudo-ITK people tweeting about ND/FSU/Clemson/etc coming to the Big12.  The rest of you quit pissing in my cereal!  :shakesfist:

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« Reply #21120 on: June 29, 2012, 02:38:55 PM »
Truly ironic (10,000 spoons ironic) that some on here point out that just because a team can't win their conference doesn't mean they aren't the best team in their conference, but if KSU loses a bowl game, they are horrible and got what they deserved. 

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« Reply #21121 on: June 29, 2012, 07:35:02 PM »
I only read this thread to find tweets from ITK or pseudo-ITK people tweeting about ND/FSU/Clemson/etc coming to the Big12.  The rest of you quit pissing in my cereal!  :shakesfist:

Probably going to be quiet for several months now.  People are most likely going to wait for all details to come out before acting.

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« Reply #21122 on: June 29, 2012, 09:01:57 PM »
I only read this thread to find tweets from ITK or pseudo-ITK people tweeting about ND/FSU/Clemson/etc coming to the Big12.  The rest of you quit pissing in my cereal!  :shakesfist:

Probably going to be quiet for several months now.  People are most likely going to wait for all details to come out before acting.
Speaking of working out details, on the WVU board it was discovered that FSU requested finance details from ACC for buyout.  :drool:
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« Reply #21123 on: June 30, 2012, 10:04:47 PM »
The 13 year GOR was signed.

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Gazette-Mail - Please clear up the issue concerning schools granting media rights to the league. Schools agreed to grant the rights for a minimum of six years, but then word came that was extended to 13 years. Has that agreement been signed?

Bowlsby - It has been extended to 13 years and it has been signed.

http://www.wvgazette.com/Sports/201206300077?page=2&build=cache

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« Reply #21124 on: June 30, 2012, 10:50:02 PM »
The 13 year GOR was signed.

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Gazette-Mail - Please clear up the issue concerning schools granting media rights to the league. Schools agreed to grant the rights for a minimum of six years, but then word came that was extended to 13 years. Has that agreement been signed?

Bowlsby - It has been extended to 13 years and it has been signed.

http://www.wvgazette.com/Sports/201206300077?page=2&build=cache


could be meaningless unless the terms are known but it's a good sign.  probably just a "for show" though unless they release the fine print