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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #19275 on: May 15, 2012, 03:01:04 PM »
conference realignment nerds. is there actually anything newsworthy?

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« Reply #19276 on: May 15, 2012, 03:02:34 PM »
conference realignment nerds. is there actually anything newsworthy?

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« Reply #19277 on: May 15, 2012, 03:04:13 PM »
There should be a conference realignment national championship for whoever wins conference realignment.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #19278 on: May 15, 2012, 03:24:05 PM »
Lollerz, missou fan just asked me how the ACC could get such a terrible contract. I sent him this pick.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #19279 on: May 15, 2012, 03:40:56 PM »

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« Reply #19280 on: May 15, 2012, 03:43:24 PM »
My god....

we would be absolutely raping and pillaging ACC.

We should seriously light the remainder on fire upon leaving. 

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« Reply #19281 on: May 15, 2012, 03:45:16 PM »


It's not going to be near that much.  As much as people like to think the SEC wants 16, they don't.  Neither VT or NC St. provide the value-add needed to make the dollars work.  Also, with the current playoff structure, if the SEC can't get two teams in, they aren't going to put their member schools at a greater disadvantage.


I have to disagree with 14 being better financially than 16 as 16 allows the tv networks to pick and choose the annual cross pod games (more UF v LSU, UGA v Bama, etc).  Additionally, VT and NCSU can't be much worse than Mizzou even if they SEC doesn't create a Big Ten type network.


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« Reply #19282 on: May 15, 2012, 03:48:08 PM »
FSU and either NC St or Clemson seems like the best two pick ups right now. not sure we go to 12 teams unless two of those 3 ACC schools are involved.
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« Reply #19283 on: May 15, 2012, 04:02:14 PM »
I'm still not convinced that adding teams (outside of Notre Dame) can make 12, 14 or 16 better than 10.  Whoever we invite will need to bring more to the table than $20M per or its a bad deal for the conference.  Does adding Clemson really allow other Big 12 teams to suddenly make $22M instead of $20M?  The numbers don't add up for me.

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« Reply #19284 on: May 15, 2012, 04:02:29 PM »
EMAWJHL4LYF, please stop posting until you set your sights solely on FSU and Clemson. We must zero in. Engage.
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« Reply #19285 on: May 15, 2012, 04:05:19 PM »
I'm still not convinced that adding teams (outside of Notre Dame) can make 12, 14 or 16 better than 10.  Whoever we invite will need to bring more to the table than $20M per or its a bad deal for the conference.  Does adding Clemson really allow other Big 12 teams to suddenly make $22M instead of $20M?  The numbers don't add up for me.

Plz STFU. BITB was saying today that there are provisions in the TV contract that allow for major increases in dollars if we extend the footprint into a state with certain populations. Florida has over 20 million people. South Carolina has more than 6 million. Georgia, if we were to look there at GT, will have 10 million in the next year. Adding Florida with the smaller of those two options STILL equals adding another Texas, which has 25 million.  The numbers add up if we choose the right teams.
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #19286 on: May 15, 2012, 04:05:39 PM »


It's not going to be near that much.  As much as people like to think the SEC wants 16, they don't.  Neither VT or NC St. provide the value-add needed to make the dollars work.  Also, with the current playoff structure, if the SEC can't get two teams in, they aren't going to put their member schools at a greater disadvantage.


I have to disagree with 14 being better financially than 16 as 16 allows the tv networks to pick and choose the annual cross pod games (more UF v LSU, UGA v Bama, etc).  Additionally, VT and NCSU can't be much worse than Mizzou even if they SEC doesn't create a Big Ten type network.

It's the issue of exponential math.

Say the SEC gets $24 million per team in the next deal for 14 teams.  That's $336 million annually between Tier 1 and Tier 2.  To get that split for VT and NC St., you'd need to increase the annual value of that contract by $48 million.

Now, do you think VT and NC St. increase the value by $48 million?  I don't.

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« Reply #19287 on: May 15, 2012, 04:07:10 PM »
Do you think FSU and Clemson increase the value of our contract by $24 million or whatever it has to be to be financially viable? I do.
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« Reply #19288 on: May 15, 2012, 04:07:56 PM »
Are people not reading this thread?  :facepalm:

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #19289 on: May 15, 2012, 04:10:02 PM »
I'm still not convinced that adding teams (outside of Notre Dame) can make 12, 14 or 16 better than 10.  Whoever we invite will need to bring more to the table than $20M per or its a bad deal for the conference.  Does adding Clemson really allow other Big 12 teams to suddenly make $22M instead of $20M?  The numbers don't add up for me.

i'm sure they don't lee iacocca. i'm sure they don't. any other conclusions that you, donald trump and bill gates came to during your recent day of pouring over "the numbers"?

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« Reply #19290 on: May 15, 2012, 04:14:19 PM »
Are people not reading this thread?  :facepalm:

ya it's frustrating
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« Reply #19291 on: May 15, 2012, 04:15:43 PM »
All of the 16 team scenarios I've seen have us in a pod with KU, OU, and OSU. Assuming OU gets to play Texas every year and we schedule home and home series with the teams we play from each pod, this would mean that we would have 6 year stretches where we don't even play Texas. I don't like that one bit.
My scenario has no cross pod rivals. They would need to work it out where rivals are together in a pod if thats what they want. You would play every team out of your pod every 4th year, and then rotate the home/away trip. Then in the playoffs, all the first teams from a pod get a quarter bracket and so on with no team from the same pod in a quarter bracket. Then your first and second games in the playoffs are guaranteed to be out of your pod, giving you a minimum of 3 games against other pod teams. You obviously could play a cross pod opponent twice, but not even likely.
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« Reply #19292 on: May 15, 2012, 04:17:05 PM »
I'm still not convinced that adding teams (outside of Notre Dame) can make 12, 14 or 16 better than 10.  Whoever we invite will need to bring more to the table than $20M per or its a bad deal for the conference.  Does adding Clemson really allow other Big 12 teams to suddenly make $22M instead of $20M?  The numbers don't add up for me.

Plz STFU. BITB was saying today that there are provisions in the TV contract that allow for major increases in dollars if we extend the footprint into a state with certain populations. Florida has over 20 million people. South Carolina has more than 6 million. Georgia, if we were to look there at GT, will have 10 million in the next year. Adding Florida with the smaller of those two options STILL equals adding another Texas, which has 25 million.  The numbers add up if we choose the right teams.

It's simple.

Based on the values above, FSU + Clemson ~ $40 million a year.  Plus CCG game revenue for the conference (Big Ten's is $24 million a year for six years - $2 million per team annually).  Assuming we can get that kind of deal, We're looking at, roughly, a $22 million payout per team if you go by the breakdown above.

If we get $22 million per year, that's a $3.4 billion contract over the life of the 13 year deal, and that would make us the most profitable conference, revenue wise, in the nation.  And that doesn't include what we can get for Tier 3 rights.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #19293 on: May 15, 2012, 04:22:07 PM »
Don't even care about the money. Just want an excuse to wear this again.


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« Reply #19294 on: May 15, 2012, 04:23:35 PM »
The bottom line is that we will go to 14 if Notre Dame is #13.  If Clemson and FSU come on board, it would be very difficult to find schools that don't provide diminishing value beyond 12.

If we had gone with Louisville and Cincy for 11 and 12, then FSU and Clemson would probably be on board for 13 and 14 (assuming we'd still pay out more than the ACC).

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« Reply #19295 on: May 15, 2012, 04:24:28 PM »
BTW, the ideal amount of teams for a conference is 11.75

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« Reply #19296 on: May 15, 2012, 04:46:48 PM »
Don't even care about the money. Just want an excuse to wear this again.



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« Reply #19297 on: May 15, 2012, 04:54:29 PM »


It's not going to be near that much.  As much as people like to think the SEC wants 16, they don't.  Neither VT or NC St. provide the value-add needed to make the dollars work.  Also, with the current playoff structure, if the SEC can't get two teams in, they aren't going to put their member schools at a greater disadvantage.


I have to disagree with 14 being better financially than 16 as 16 allows the tv networks to pick and choose the annual cross pod games (more UF v LSU, UGA v Bama, etc).  Additionally, VT and NCSU can't be much worse than Mizzou even if they SEC doesn't create a Big Ten type network.

It's the issue of exponential math.

Say the SEC gets $24 million per team in the next deal for 14 teams.  That's $336 million annually between Tier 1 and Tier 2.  To get that split for VT and NC St., you'd need to increase the annual value of that contract by $48 million.

Now, do you think VT and NC St. increase the value by $48 million?  I don't.
Well, the states of Va and NC do combine for close 20 M people but I think the biggest gain is in the scheduling flexibility pods can give a conference.  The reason the networks spend billions on these contracts is for the exposure of big time games between the teams with the biggest tv draws. 

Maybe Slive will come up with a creative way to get more games between the SEC East and West powers at 14 teams however they did not do it for 2012 and I take that as a sign they want 16.  :dunno:

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« Reply #19298 on: May 15, 2012, 05:02:40 PM »
Let's post badass pictures to get ourselves excited for future roadies.  :cool:












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« Reply #19299 on: May 15, 2012, 05:03:51 PM »
Wanna LOL? Here's a weird picture of FSU's stadium before it was big-timey. 

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