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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #19225 on: May 15, 2012, 09:16:42 AM »
Despite Texas' statements in preference of a 10 team league, this guy continues...and he's been correct all along

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The Big 12 is expanding. 12 is a lock. 14 if the right teams are available.

FSU, Clemson, Miami and GT? Would those be consiered the right teams?

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« Reply #19226 on: May 15, 2012, 09:18:28 AM »
BTW, orangejulius on FSU's scout site is a top notch fisher. One of the best I've seen. I should invite him here.

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« Reply #19227 on: May 15, 2012, 09:24:20 AM »
Love this factoid from Chip Brown, countering the "away fans" being farther off in the Big 12

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Here's a list of drive times by car from Florida State to the rest of the ACC?

Clemson - 6 hours 47 minutes
Wake Forest - 9 hours 34 minutes
North Carolina State - 10 hours 8 minute
Boston College - 22 hours 31 minutes
Maryland - 14 hours 41 minutes
Virginia Tech - 11 hours 3 minutes
Virginia - 12 hours 53 minutes
Georgia Tech - 4 hours 47 minutes
Miami - 7 hours 54 minutes
North Carolina - 10 hours 34 minutes
Duke - 10 hours 30 minutes

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« Reply #19228 on: May 15, 2012, 09:28:25 AM »
That panhandle to South Florida drive is a pain.   :sdeek:

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« Reply #19229 on: May 15, 2012, 09:35:03 AM »
Love this factoid from Chip Brown, countering the "away fans" being farther off in the Big 12

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Here's a list of drive times by car from Florida State to the rest of the ACC?

Clemson - 6 hours 47 minutes
Wake Forest - 9 hours 34 minutes
North Carolina State - 10 hours 8 minute
Boston College - 22 hours 31 minutes
Maryland - 14 hours 41 minutes
Virginia Tech - 11 hours 3 minutes
Virginia - 12 hours 53 minutes
Georgia Tech - 4 hours 47 minutes
Miami - 7 hours 54 minutes
North Carolina - 10 hours 34 minutes
Duke - 10 hours 30 minutes

Only 3 of those 11 have fan bases that are driving distance and bring enough fans to make an impact on ticket sales, and I'm not sure if that is even true for GT and Miami with fans willing to drive.  The rest are going to just fly to daily direct connections from Atlanta, D.C., and Charlotte.  Out of the other 8, not a single school comes close to flying in what OU and UT would fly-in and only VT would be in the same ball park what KSU, OSU, and WVU would fly-in.  Games featuring any of those 5 Big12 schools would overrun those commuter flights.  I wouldn't be shocked if KSU offered charter flight packages to an FSU game similar to what they do for bowl games. 
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #19230 on: May 15, 2012, 09:37:53 AM »
I am pretty sure I saw that there's only 1 ACC team on FSU's top 10 all time record crowds list.  The all time record crowd was against a Big 12 team BTW.


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« Reply #19231 on: May 15, 2012, 09:38:01 AM »
Ya, another ridiculous claim from the FSU prez debunked...

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« Reply #19232 on: May 15, 2012, 09:39:33 AM »
Ya, another ridiculous claim from the FSU prez debunked...

What is his angle?  Who is jocking him to save this horrible conference?

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« Reply #19233 on: May 15, 2012, 09:44:52 AM »
Ya, another ridiculous claim from the FSU prez debunked...

What is his angle?  Who is jocking him to save this horrible conference?

Devil's advocate?  See if his response brings up mixed feelings or calms the chaos?  ANd if not....then it becomes an easier decision as a University?
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« Reply #19234 on: May 15, 2012, 09:46:46 AM »
Much more likely that someone is paying him to defend, imo.  I mean, a guy like a prez isn't going to stand up and say a bunch of stupid stuff that is easy for bbs'ers to discredit just so they can discredit it and show the world why the move is a solid choice. 

He would just say that the move is a solid option rather than making himself look stupid. 

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« Reply #19235 on: May 15, 2012, 10:21:31 AM »
Ya, another ridiculous claim from the FSU prez debunked...

What is his angle?  Who is jocking him to save this horrible conference?

Odds are he is an academic elitist who likes to hob-nob with other academic elitists.  No better way to stroke your academic elitist ego then to hob-nob with others academics from institutions that are better than yours at annual conference presidents meetings.  He doesn't want to have to have those meetings with Texas Tech.  Plus he doesn't want to deal with a bunch of pissed off faculty who think they are something special since they are in the same conference as Duke and UVA.  Right now he's thinking the faculty be will be the biggest pain in the ass about the move.  The question is when do the donors become a bigger pain in the ass for not moving.  That's when his tune will change. 
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« Reply #19236 on: May 15, 2012, 10:30:52 AM »
My guess is that the FSU prez gained his academic snobbery from being a Dean at UTAustin and took that pretense with him.  We should poll the other ACC schools on the possibility of losing their academic bastion.

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« Reply #19237 on: May 15, 2012, 10:31:21 AM »
BTW, orangejulius on FSU's scout site is a top notch fisher. One of the best I've seen. I should invite him here.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #19238 on: May 15, 2012, 11:46:25 AM »
BTW, orangejulius on FSU's scout site is a top notch fisher. One of the best I've seen. I should invite him here.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #19239 on: May 15, 2012, 11:47:21 AM »
Ya, another ridiculous claim from the FSU prez debunked...

What is his angle?  Who is jocking him to save this horrible conference?

Odds are he is an academic elitist who likes to hob-nob with other academic elitists.  No better way to stroke your academic elitist ego then to hob-nob with others academics from institutions that are better than yours at annual conference presidents meetings.  He doesn't want to have to have those meetings with Texas Tech.  Plus he doesn't want to deal with a bunch of pissed off faculty who think they are something special since they are in the same conference as Duke and UVA.  Right now he's thinking the faculty be will be the biggest pain in the ass about the move.  The question is when do the donors become a bigger pain in the ass for not moving.  That's when his tune will change.

This X 100.  He's a total ACC University academic elitist holed up in his ivory tower.  Once the pressure from the BOT and various powerful alumni groups ramps up is when the tide will turn.  The identical scenario unfolded with A&M, albeit over a two year period.  The fan uprising will become too difficult to quell at some point and once the financial numbers are formally presented, it's going to be extremely difficult to turn down the offer.



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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #19240 on: May 15, 2012, 12:06:56 PM »
Why would this guy openly call the FSU alumni and fans idiots, like they cannot read? 

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« Reply #19241 on: May 15, 2012, 12:17:41 PM »
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« Reply #19242 on: May 15, 2012, 12:23:06 PM »
Education:

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« Reply #19243 on: May 15, 2012, 12:42:25 PM »
Sorry if this is merely Luke-Scoop:

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Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Big 12 Expansion: The Quiet And The Storm
Clemson is the quiet one.

The decision has been made and they're Big 12 bound.

No drama at Clemson. Clemson's football staff have been notified of an impending move and they're fine with it.

If you want drama look to Tallahassee.

FSU's Board of Trustees have butted heads with the president and made their desire to exit the ACC known.

Make no mistake, Florida State wants to move, but President Eric Barron has found it very difficult to pull the trigger.

He likes the ACC, he really does. He likes being in the same conference as North Carolina and Duke (for academic reasons). He is concerned how FSU's faculty would react to  move and wants them to understand that academics are a priority at  FSU.

What he doesn't like is the pitiful TV contract the ACC managed to beg from ESPN.

Both Eric Barron and the Board of Trustees understand that the ACC, going forward, puts FSU at a distinct competitive disadvantage.

If you don't believe that consider that FSU will be playing for one of four playoff spots.

FSU, and schools throughout the nation, must decide if they want to contend for one of those four playoff spots and be willing to spend the money necessary to compete.

Florida State has resources and a giant athletic department budget, but so do Alabama, LSU, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma and the ramifications for FSU's continued membership in the ACC are profound.

Their peers will be receiving significantly more in television revenues each and every year. And that's why the Board of Trustees at FSU will force Barron's hand and FSU will join Clemson as new members of the Big 12.

The deal is done.

Some notes:

The Big 12 contract maybe as much as $25 million per school and fully vested by year 3.
The Contract has an automatic clause triggering renegotiation with the addition of a #13th member.
ESPN and Fox have the advised Big 12 on who to add and further expansion depends on value and who's available.
If the right "value-added" teams are not available the Big 12 will not expand.
Miami has said no. Their president plans to reduce the investment in football and worries about NCAA violations.
Georgia Tech is now a serious candidate for 13 and talks are progressing.
Louisville and Cincinnati are no longer under consideration

http://dudeofwv.blogspot.com/2012/05/big-12-expansion-quiet-and-storm.html

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« Reply #19244 on: May 15, 2012, 12:46:01 PM »
Sorry if this is merely Luke-Scoop:

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Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Big 12 Expansion: The Quiet And The Storm
Clemson is the quiet one.

The decision has been made and they're Big 12 bound.

No drama at Clemson. Clemson's football staff have been notified of an impending move and they're fine with it.

If you want drama look to Tallahassee.

FSU's Board of Trustees have butted heads with the president and made their desire to exit the ACC known.

Make no mistake, Florida State wants to move, but President Eric Barron has found it very difficult to pull the trigger.

He likes the ACC, he really does. He likes being in the same conference as North Carolina and Duke (for academic reasons). He is concerned how FSU's faculty would react to  move and wants them to understand that academics are a priority at  FSU.

What he doesn't like is the pitiful TV contract the ACC managed to beg from ESPN.

Both Eric Barron and the Board of Trustees understand that the ACC, going forward, puts FSU at a distinct competitive disadvantage.

If you don't believe that consider that FSU will be playing for one of four playoff spots.

FSU, and schools throughout the nation, must decide if they want to contend for one of those four playoff spots and be willing to spend the money necessary to compete.

Florida State has resources and a giant athletic department budget, but so do Alabama, LSU, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma and the ramifications for FSU's continued membership in the ACC are profound.

Their peers will be receiving significantly more in television revenues each and every year. And that's why the Board of Trustees at FSU will force Barron's hand and FSU will join Clemson as new members of the Big 12.

The deal is done.

Some notes:

The Big 12 contract maybe as much as $25 million per school and fully vested by year 3.
The Contract has an automatic clause triggering renegotiation with the addition of a #13th member.
ESPN and Fox have the advised Big 12 on who to add and further expansion depends on value and who's available.
If the right "value-added" teams are not available the Big 12 will not expand.
Miami has said no. Their president plans to reduce the investment in football and worries about NCAA violations.
Georgia Tech is now a serious candidate for 13 and talks are progressing.
Louisville and Cincinnati are no longer under consideration

http://dudeofwv.blogspot.com/2012/05/big-12-expansion-quiet-and-storm.html

Again, that's from the dude who broke this whole thing.  I listened to him on a West Virgina radio broadcast yesterday, with another guy from Clemson and a guy from FSU.  They all think this thing is a done deal.

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« Reply #19245 on: May 15, 2012, 12:48:52 PM »
Louisville and cincy officially mushed?  oh man...

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« Reply #19246 on: May 15, 2012, 12:53:01 PM »
BTW, orangejulius on FSU's scout site is a top notch fisher. One of the best I've seen. I should invite him here.

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« Reply #19247 on: May 15, 2012, 01:07:43 PM »
Not sure which reaction will be more entertaining:  Louisville or Mizzou?
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« Reply #19248 on: May 15, 2012, 01:17:45 PM »
Mizzou, by far.
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« Reply #19249 on: May 15, 2012, 01:18:18 PM »
Mizzou will be such a treat  :D