Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[CNS]

Warchant.com ? @Warchant

In our Tribal Council poll on http://Warchant.com over 96% of the voters are in favor of #FSU leaving the ACC for the Big 12.

[ednksu]

From Trammel's blog



The Florida State/Clemson romance with the Big 12 has gone past the blogosphere and now is being discussed by people involved in the decision-making. Florida State athletic director Randy Spetman declared the Seminoles’ commitment to the Atlantic Coast, but a day later, Andy Haggard, chairman of FSU’s board of trustees, ripped the ACC’s new television contract with ESPN and said his school absolutely should look at the Big 12. Even Florida State football coach Jimbo Fisher didn’t discount the validity of considering such a move.

Yahoo! Sports’ Dan Wetzel speculated that Miami, not Clemson, could be Florida State’s partner in a potential move to the Big 12.

Still seems like a longshot, but it’s gone past the pure speculation stage. It’s at least been tossed out there by a school official. So my question is, what would the Big 12 look like with Florida State and Clemson? Or Florida State and Miami? Or Florida State and Louisville, I suppose.

Florida State would replace Nebraska as a national brand for the Big 12.  Clemson or Miami would be a step up from Colorado, and while Louisville would be about the same, Louisville’s basketball would trump CU’s. So if you believe that West Virginia and TCU are a match for Missouri and Texas A&M (which they are competitively, just not geographically), then Big 12 football actually is an improved product. Again, the downside — and it’s a big downside — is the geographic bloatedness. The Big 12 then would stretch from Florida to West Virginia to Iowa to Texas. That’s a big chunk of real estate.

Of course, Florida State probably feels like it’s conference has been stretched already. In recent years, Boston College, Syracuse and Pitt have joined the ACC.

How would the Big 12 split into divisions? I assume the Oklahoma and Texas schools would remain together in a division. That would promote some level of continuity, since five of the six schools (all but TCU) were in a division together starting in 1996. The other division would have no geographic semblance — Kansas State, Kansas, Iowa State, West Virginia, Florida State and Clemson or Miami.

No geographic identity, but a danged good football division. Florida State and West Virginia might not rival OU and Texas, but they more than make up for Nebraska and Missouri, which ruled the Big 12 North when the conference began disintegrating. Clemson would be a solid counterpart to OSU and Kansas State is a match for TCU, The (old) South Division still would retain superiority, since Baylor has risen and Texas Tech should rebound from two straight sub-par seasons. But still, that’s far better parity than what we saw out of the last 10 years of the pre-realignment Big 12.

Now, travel would be a bear. It would help West Virginia to some degree, but everyone else would be more stretched. The minor sports would be severely affected. Already, baseball teams in this part of the country face a trip to West Virginia every other year. Expansion like this would mean one or two such trips every season.

And basketball would be a mess. With three teams stationed back East, the league could not adopt a travel-partner system, unless it wanted to make Iowa State and West Virginia travel partners. Which would be weird.

But the football would be big-time. The fertile Florida recruiting ground would be opened to the Big 12. The networks would love it, and the Big 12 television contract could be reworked for an even bigger payday. And of course, more and more good games.

I still think it’s a longshot. Florida State in all likelihood is posturing for some kind of ACC concessions. I still think the Seminoles ultimately will decide they’d rather stay in a league based in their part of the country. But someone in Tallahassee wants to consider jumping.

The FSU AD is flatly denying all rumors of them leaving the ACC.  FWIW (not much).

Yea if I recall, thats how it started with MU, NU, CU, and A&M.

next:

We need (insert conference) to be stable, we'll do everything we can to make sure that happens.

next step please

[Pete]

From the dude who started all the ACC stuff....

The Dude of WV ? @theDudeofWV

In case you're wondering. Ga Tech is now interested in the Big 12 too. That's at least 5 ACC teams.

[CNS]

In case you're wondering. Ga Tech is now interested in the Big 12 too. That's at least 5 ACC teams.

For all of the Big 12 fans who don't think Georgia Tech should be a priority: http://t.co/g5hu6QhG

[Trim]

Pete,

As you weave your way through assorted ACC message boards and realignment media types, don't forget, NKJF.

-Trim

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ImTheSportsDude:

Not being discussed about ACC, if FSU or others depart std. TV contract usually allows renegotiation = even less $$ potentially to ACC teams

[DQ12]

Do not want Georgia Tech.  They have no fans.  Really don't care about "TV markets." Clemson and Florida State have lots of fans. 

Let's get them.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Do not want Georgia Tech.  They have no fans.  Really don't care about "TV markets." Clemson and Florida State have lots of fans. 

Let's get them.

If we end up with more than 12 teams, you would be crazy to not want GT. I would prefer to stay at 12 as well, though, if that was what you meant.

[Pete]

Do not want Georgia Tech.  They have no fans.  Really don't care about "TV markets." Clemson and Florida State have lots of fans. 

Let's get them.

But there's this

[Pete]

Good podcast with the owner of warchant.com. 

http://www.740thegame.com/player/?station=WYGM-AM&program_name=podcast&program_id=openmike.xml&mid=22085538

Dude thinks it's going to happen.  He paints a pretty bleak picture of FSU's current finances.


He also says that Chip Brown is talking 22-23 million per team in a Big 12 with 12 teams that include FSU and Clemson.   

[DQ12]

Who cares about the money (I know, I know, lots of people do), but really, what fans care?  The Big 12 is going to be fine, that's all I care about.  We're rich now, and I don't really care if adding GaTech gives us an extra 1.5m a year.  I don't.  It means nothing to me.  I think people who want conferences to add teams, for the sole purpose of adding relatively marginal amounts of money to their athletic department are invested in this conf. realignment as some sort of dick measuring contest against Mizzou/aTm.  It's weird and I don' understand it.

If it were up to me, the Big 12 would only go after awesome sports programs that have awesome fan support.  42k for an OOC game against a great team like the Kansas J-hawks stinks. 

P-U

[Rage Against the McKee]

Who cares about the money (I know, I know, lots of people do), but really, what fans care?  The Big 12 is going to be fine, that's all I care about.  We're rich now, and I don't really care if adding GaTech gives us an extra 1.5m a year.  I don't.  It means nothing to me.  I think people who want conferences to add teams, for the sole purpose of adding relatively marginal amounts of money to their athletic department are invested in this conf. realignment as some sort of dick measuring contest against Mizzou/aTm.  It's weird and I don' understand it.

If it were up to me, the Big 12 would only go after awesome sports programs that have awesome fan support.  42k for an OOC game against a great team like the Kansas J-hawks stinks. 

P-U

It all depends on what we do with the money. I really hope we add 2-3 nonrevenue sports.

[CNS]

Who cares about the money (I know, I know, lots of people do), but really, what fans care?  The Big 12 is going to be fine, that's all I care about.  We're rich now, and I don't really care if adding GaTech gives us an extra 1.5m a year.  I don't.  It means nothing to me.  I think people who want conferences to add teams, for the sole purpose of adding relatively marginal amounts of money to their athletic department are invested in this conf. realignment as some sort of dick measuring contest against Mizzou/aTm.  It's weird and I don' understand it.

If it were up to me, the Big 12 would only go after awesome sports programs that have awesome fan support.  42k for an OOC game against a great team like the Kansas J-hawks stinks. 

P-U

It all depends on what we do with the money. I really hope we add 2-3 nonrevenue sports.

Lazy river and pak heads with laser beams.

[CNS]

Bill_Lawson_TX:

High quality sources I cannot reveal state FSU and Louisville are in serious negotiations with the Big 12 conference.

[Stevesie60]

Who cares about the money (I know, I know, lots of people do), but really, what fans care?  The Big 12 is going to be fine, that's all I care about.  We're rich now, and I don't really care if adding GaTech gives us an extra 1.5m a year.  I don't.  It means nothing to me.  I think people who want conferences to add teams, for the sole purpose of adding relatively marginal amounts of money to their athletic department are invested in this conf. realignment as some sort of dick measuring contest against Mizzou/aTm.  It's weird and I don' understand it.

If it were up to me, the Big 12 would only go after awesome sports programs that have awesome fan support.  42k for an OOC game against a great team like the Kansas J-hawks stinks. 

P-U

It all depends on what we do with the money. I really hope we add 2-3 nonrevenue sports.

Currie is in charge of the money. We'll hoard it.

[ben ji]

Who cares about the money (I know, I know, lots of people do), but really, what fans care?  The Big 12 is going to be fine, that's all I care about.  We're rich now, and I don't really care if adding GaTech gives us an extra 1.5m a year.  I don't.  It means nothing to me.  I think people who want conferences to add teams, for the sole purpose of adding relatively marginal amounts of money to their athletic department are invested in this conf. realignment as some sort of dick measuring contest against Mizzou/aTm.  It's weird and I don' understand it.

If it were up to me, the Big 12 would only go after awesome sports programs that have awesome fan support.  42k for an OOC game against a great team like the Kansas J-hawks stinks. 

P-U

Great point, I've been impressed with the WV fans and would love to interact with the FSU CU fans. I would also like to see Louisville squeeze in over GT or Maryland just for that reason.

[8manpick]

Who cares about the money (I know, I know, lots of people do), but really, what fans care?  The Big 12 is going to be fine, that's all I care about.  We're rich now, and I don't really care if adding GaTech gives us an extra 1.5m a year.  I don't.  It means nothing to me.  I think people who want conferences to add teams, for the sole purpose of adding relatively marginal amounts of money to their athletic department are invested in this conf. realignment as some sort of dick measuring contest against Mizzou/aTm.  It's weird and I don' understand it.

If it were up to me, the Big 12 would only go after awesome sports programs that have awesome fan support.  42k for an OOC game against a great team like the Kansas J-hawks stinks. 

P-U

It all depends on what we do with the money. I really hope we add 2-3 nonrevenue sports.

Currie is in charge of the money. We'll hoard it.

#burnitdown

[Ira Hayes]

Do not want Georgia Tech.  They have no fans.  Really don't care about "TV markets." Clemson and Florida State have lots of fans. 

Let's get them.

But there's this

At the very best,  10% of the Atlanta people that pay attention to college football pay attention to Georgia Tech any more than you or me.

It's like saying: 80% of Kansas City residents follow college basketball, so UMKC must be an attractive basketball school.

[ben ji]

No idea if this is legit

Cory Fravel? @ CoryFravel
Follow
FSU to ask for Swofford's resignation @ IngramSmith @ louciaccia @ TomahawkNationhttp://www.tomahawknation.com/ # chessnotcheckers

But if so it seems to be a way for FSU to get the ACC to say no to them so they can turn around and say "Hey, we tried". Its not like he is Beebe where everyone hates him, Swofford is a UNC grad and the Tobacco Road Mafia loves him.

[SkinnyBenny]

God I hope that guy stays so we can have Florida State.

[WildcatNkilt]

His resignation isn't going to give them a better TV contract.

[Pete]

God I hope that guy stays so we can have Florida State.

Won't matter...as long as the this talking point continues...

The ACC's 15-year, $3.6-billion agreement with ESPN from adding Pittsburgh and Syracuse is heavily backloaded, according to Yahoo! Sports. That $17 million a year per ACC school that was reported last week? It's more like $12 million next season and the additional $4 million per school annually won't come until 2021, Yahoo! Sports reported.

Just this month, Florida State acknowledged it may be forced to cut $2.4 million from its 2012-13 athletic budget, in part because of lagging ticket sales in football. So if you're Florida State, what do you do?

You're a football school competing in what will always be a basketball conference. You're surrounded by mega-wealthy SEC members, including rival Florida, that spend more than you can. And you're looking at taking in less TV revenue than Vanderbilt for the foreseeable future.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/05/acc_should_be_worried_about_fl.html

[Ira Hayes]

A year ago today: "Is Creighton or Wichita State or Missouri State going to be our new rival?"

Today: "Florida State, Miami?  Yeah, I think they are probably good enough to join our conference"

[WildcatNkilt]

man i can't wait until texas, ou, texas tech, k st., okla st, etc all roll through tally.  we'll finally start selling out each and every home game.  that first season is gonna be crazy!!!

 

[Pete]

A year ago today: "Is Creighton or Wichita State or Missouri State going to be our new rival?"

Today: "Florida State, Miami?  Yeah, I think they are probably good enough to join our conference"

It's rough ridin' surreal.


When our new deal gets done, we may be making $10M more annually on TV than the likes of North Carolina, Virgina Tech, and Syracuse.


rough ridin' think about that.