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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #13200 on: September 20, 2011, 12:32:15 PM »
why would ND ever join the ACC without trying to get a bid from the Big 10 first?  I just can't see the Big 10 ever allowing Notre Dame to get away in any circumstance ever.

Sounded weird to me too, but was reported this morning that ND expressed interest in the ACC

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« Reply #13201 on: September 20, 2011, 12:32:53 PM »
Quote from: Panjandrum link=topic=3457.msg350771#msg350771 date=13165386

SEC invites KU/MU/KSU as 14-16.

Here is what the Big Ten has left to pick.

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Mu is such a whore for the Big Ten they would call Delaney the minute the SEC floated an offer like the KC schools to the SEC.  KC schools to SEC would be in all three's best interest in the long run but MU would never go for it.

I am praying see KU, KSU and Baylor to SEC to form a pod with ATM; ISU, MU, ND and Rugters or somebody to big 10 as a solution that keeps lawsuits to a minimum.

The SEC's offer may be real right now.  If you're faced with staring some reject merger in the face, would you go with a Big Ten invite that may never come, or an SEC invite that's already there?

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #13202 on: September 20, 2011, 12:33:23 PM »
why would ND ever join the ACC without trying to get a bid from the Big 10 first?  I just can't see the Big 10 ever allowing Notre Dame to get away in any circumstance ever.

Retaining their third tier media rights would be my guess.

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« Reply #13203 on: September 20, 2011, 12:34:44 PM »
Here's the thing that people are missing out on when discussing the "War for 64"...

Say ND decides to join a conference and picks the ACC.  UConn follows.  ACC has 16.

Pac-12 takes the four we expect them to take.  Pac-16 is created.

ACC and Pac-16 successfully lobby for two automatic BCS invites per conference.

SEC invites KU/MU/KSU as 14-16.

Here is what the Big Ten has left to pick.



If you are competing with the same three or four entities for TV dollars, wouldn't you want to do whatever you can to ensure one of those entities has the least attractive options?  If you're Mike Slive, and you don't have the academic restrictions that Jim Delany does, would you want to be aggressive and potentially shoot down one of your biggest competitors?

Most of all, if the ACC has the eastern seaboard locked down, do you want to further entrench your dominance into the southern states with schools like Louisville or USF, or do you extend your stretch into the Heartland, where there are much more ardent football fans and keep three rivals together and bundle them with an SEC school that's never had one?

Mike Slive and Jim Swafford can destroy the long term viability of the Big Ten with five schools.  If you take Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Notre Dame, and UConn off of the table, the Big Ten's options are almost nil to get to sixteen.  ISU and Rutgers are good academic fits.  After that....

war of 64. very nice dork. big 10.

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« Reply #13204 on: September 20, 2011, 12:37:27 PM »

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« Reply #13205 on: September 20, 2011, 12:38:11 PM »
why would ND ever join the ACC without trying to get a bid from the Big 10 first?  I just can't see the Big 10 ever allowing Notre Dame to get away in any circumstance ever.

Retaining their third tier media rights would be my guess.

Could also be a bluff.  Everyone has always assumed that if ND folds in they would do so with Big10, so perceived interest in ACC could be a bargaining tool.   :ck:
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« Reply #13206 on: September 20, 2011, 12:40:21 PM »
why would ND ever join the ACC without trying to get a bid from the Big 10 first?  I just can't see the Big 10 ever allowing Notre Dame to get away in any circumstance ever.

Retaining their third tier media rights would be my guess.

Could also be a bluff.  Everyone has always assumed that if ND folds in they would do so with Big10, so perceived interest in ACC could be a bargaining tool.   :ck:

Exactly. They want to keep their games on NBC instead of on the BTN and the Big Ten will cave if they want them enough.

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« Reply #13207 on: September 20, 2011, 12:42:03 PM »
I believe the Catholic church has a problem with stem cell research which all Big10 teams collaborate on. The CIC I think it's called. That's one road block.
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« Reply #13208 on: September 20, 2011, 12:43:44 PM »
I believe the Catholic church has a problem with stem cell research which all Big10 teams collaborate on. The CIC I think it's called. That's one road block.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #13209 on: September 20, 2011, 12:44:06 PM »
why would ND ever join the ACC without trying to get a bid from the Big 10 first?  I just can't see the Big 10 ever allowing Notre Dame to get away in any circumstance ever.

Retaining their third tier media rights would be my guess.

plan #1 for the acc is to try and get notre dame and texas. that's why they are still sitting at 14 for the time being.

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« Reply #13210 on: September 20, 2011, 12:45:03 PM »
why would ND ever join the ACC without trying to get a bid from the Big 10 first?  I just can't see the Big 10 ever allowing Notre Dame to get away in any circumstance ever.

Retaining their third tier media rights would be my guess.

Could also be a bluff.  Everyone has always assumed that if ND folds in they would do so with Big10, so perceived interest in ACC could be a bargaining tool.   :ck:

Could be.  But aligning yourself with the new East Coast super-conference probably has it's advantages.

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« Reply #13211 on: September 20, 2011, 12:45:19 PM »
I believe the Catholic church has a problem with stem cell research which all Big10 teams collaborate on. The CIC I think it's called. That's one road block.

Yeah, this is actually kind of a big deal to them. I think they really would rather join the ACC than the Big 10.

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« Reply #13212 on: September 20, 2011, 12:46:09 PM »
you down with MWC?  ya you know me!

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« Reply #13213 on: September 20, 2011, 12:47:36 PM »
I believe the Catholic church has a problem with stem cell research which all Big10 teams collaborate on. The CIC I think it's called. That's one road block.

 :lol:

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They could go to the Big 10 and probably get more money than any o ther conference. Yet, at least reportedly, they aren't really considering them as a first option.
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« Reply #13214 on: September 20, 2011, 12:49:44 PM »
Even if we go SEC, which would be the most badass possible thing probably (and which we won't), I'll still feel for I-STATE0.

If we all go to 16, I feel pretty comfortable in the thought that I-Stateo goes to the Big Ten.

I think that if Texas goes PAC and ND goes ACC, there's no way the Big 10 expands past 12. They would be set up to make far more per team than any other conference. I do think that a playoff with 4 16 team conferences would mean more money for those 64 teams than just about anything else. However, what has been lost in all of this discussion is that the goal of an athletic department is to win games. Athletic departments pursue money because it helps them win games. I think the Big 10 is smart enough to see the benefit in making less money in the current system while still making more than everyone else, rather than making more in a playoff system, but probably making less than the PAC and SEC.

You can't keep thinking about the "current system".

The end result of this does not have to be a playoff.  That's a media thing.  The bowl structure can still thrive in this environment.

Last year, one of the things being kicked around with the Pac-16 was two automatic BCS bids for the conference.  If you get a new BCS rule in place where a conference gets two automatic BCS bids if they have sixteen teams, you'll see a move to sixteen much, much more quickly.  That still allows two-at large BCS bids every year for Notre Dame and some non-AQ team that potentially will qualify.  Or you can save one for ND and allow some MWC/C-USA merger have the other spot.

This can fit inside the bowl system.  That's not a problem.

Two auto-bids or not, the 12 team model in the Big 10 is proven to be viable. I'm not sure how lucrative the contracts for 16 team conferences will be from a TV contract standpoint, especially in the case of the ACC, where all the teams play in the same time zone. With 12 teams, the Big 10 will get 2 bids just about every year, even without an extra auto-bid. I really think that the BCS would give auto-bids to the MWC and Conference Reject before they give a second auto-bid to all 16 team conferences, anyway. It's better for the bowls to have more at large choices than less.

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« Reply #13215 on: September 20, 2011, 12:50:25 PM »
I believe the Catholic church has a problem with stem cell research which all Big10 teams collaborate on. The CIC I think it's called. That's one road block.

 :lol:

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They could go to the Big 10 and probably get more money than any o ther conference. Yet, at least reportedly, they aren't really considering them as a first option.

If they were reportedly leaning to the Big10, then why would the big10 give them any more incentive?  

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« Reply #13216 on: September 20, 2011, 12:50:46 PM »
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Story going up momentarily at Kansascity.com that Missouri has an offer from SEC but that SEC is willing to wait on implosion of Big 12


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« Reply #13217 on: September 20, 2011, 12:55:52 PM »
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Story going up momentarily at Kansascity.com that Missouri has an offer from SEC but that SEC is willing to wait on implosion of Big 12


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Yep. 


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« Reply #13218 on: September 20, 2011, 12:56:05 PM »
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Story going up momentarily at Kansascity.com that Missouri has an offer from SEC but that SEC is willing to wait on implosion of Big 12


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« Reply #13219 on: September 20, 2011, 12:56:36 PM »
Time for us to SECede, brothers.


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« Reply #13220 on: September 20, 2011, 01:03:59 PM »
Time for us to SECede, brothers.




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« Reply #13221 on: September 20, 2011, 01:06:09 PM »
Time for us to SECede, brothers.




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« Reply #13222 on: September 20, 2011, 01:06:44 PM »
don't do this to me guys  :frown:

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« Reply #13223 on: September 20, 2011, 01:06:53 PM »
got a call from a buddy who said that Conference Elite could be happening as we speak


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« Reply #13224 on: September 20, 2011, 01:07:53 PM »
Some of you guys are going to be on suicide watch when the dust settles and we are in conference Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).