Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[slimz]

I've been running some math on all this as we look into the future.

PAC 12 adds OU/OSU/TX/Tech to get to 16. (Not a prediction, just taking one scenario regarding possible school placement for the sake of doing the math.)

SEC 13 adds Mizzou, WVU, and Va Tech to get to 16.

Big One-Gee adds ND, Pitt, Syracuse, and Boston College to get to 16.

One superconference spot left to fill, 16 slots.

ACC has lost 2 of its teams to other conferences, leaving 10.

Big East has lost 3 of its teams to other conferences, leaving 6.

They merge, that's 16 teams, leaving out KU, KSU, ISU, and Baylor.

It may be in our best interest to get into the Big East now, rather than "promoting" other schools to the BCS that could then wind up being additional competitors for Top 64 slots down the road.

[michigancat]

people think the big east is less stable because it will be picked apart when the big 10, sec, and acc decide they need more teams, none of which are us, with d's in h's, unstable.  could be.  wouldn't happen in pac 10.

I posted this earlier, but the two biggest powers (WVU and Pitt) aren't likely expansion candidates for the other conferences. Basically, you have UL, UC, USF, and TCU that are in no way going anywhere, Penn St. keeping Pitt out of the Big 10, and WVU not adding much in the way of TV's. Rutgers, Uconn and Syracuse could leave, but it there wouldn't be a conference that would take all 3 at the same time, so the conference would survive.

Basically, the conference members aren't desirable enough for significant poaching to take place.

why is everyone so sure the Big East will even offer us?

New market, gets 12 teams, championship game (maybe in the meadowlands? )

[CHONGS]

people think the big east is less stable because it will be picked apart when the big 10, sec, and acc decide they need more teams, none of which are us, with d's in h's, unstable.  could be.  wouldn't happen in pac 10.

I posted this earlier, but the two biggest powers (WVU and Pitt) aren't likely expansion candidates for the other conferences. Basically, you have UL, UC, USF, and TCU that are in no way going anywhere, Penn St. keeping Pitt out of the Big 10, and WVU not adding much in the way of TV's. Rutgers, Uconn and Syracuse could leave, but it there wouldn't be a conference that would take all 3 at the same time, so the conference would survive.

Basically, the conference members aren't desirable enough for significant poaching to take place.

why is everyone so sure the Big East will even offer us?

New market, gets 12 teams, championship game (maybe in the meadowlands? )

KSU gives the Big East nothing as far as a new market goes.  They will gladly take KU and MU without us.  UCF or Memphis gives them a new market.

[michigancat]

people think the big east is less stable because it will be picked apart when the big 10, sec, and acc decide they need more teams, none of which are us, with d's in h's, unstable.  could be.  wouldn't happen in pac 10.

I posted this earlier, but the two biggest powers (WVU and Pitt) aren't likely expansion candidates for the other conferences. Basically, you have UL, UC, USF, and TCU that are in no way going anywhere, Penn St. keeping Pitt out of the Big 10, and WVU not adding much in the way of TV's. Rutgers, Uconn and Syracuse could leave, but it there wouldn't be a conference that would take all 3 at the same time, so the conference would survive.

Basically, the conference members aren't desirable enough for significant poaching to take place.

why is everyone so sure the Big East will even offer us?

New market, gets 12 teams, championship game (maybe in the meadowlands? )

KSU gives the Big East nothing as far as a new market goes.  They will gladly take KU and MU without us.  UCF or Memphis gives them a new market.

What does KU add in this scenario as far as "new market goes"?

[scottwildcat]

I've been running some math on all this as we look into the future.

PAC 12 adds OU/OSU/TX/Tech to get to 16. (Not a prediction, just taking one scenario regarding possible school placement for the sake of doing the math.)

SEC 13 adds Mizzou, WVU, and Va Tech to get to 16.

Big One-Gee adds ND, Pitt, Syracuse, and Boston College to get to 16.

One superconference spot left to fill, 16 slots.

ACC has lost 2 of its teams to other conferences, leaving 10.

Big East has lost 3 of its teams to other conferences, leaving 6.

They merge, that's 16 teams, leaving out KU, KSU, ISU, and Baylor.

It may be in our best interest to get into the Big East now, rather than "promoting" other schools to the BCS that could then wind up being additional competitors for Top 64 slots down the road.

this is scary....i don't like this math...we are mumped

[CNS]

people think the big east is less stable because it will be picked apart when the big 10, sec, and acc decide they need more teams, none of which are us, with d's in h's, unstable.  could be.  wouldn't happen in pac 10.

I posted this earlier, but the two biggest powers (WVU and Pitt) aren't likely expansion candidates for the other conferences. Basically, you have UL, UC, USF, and TCU that are in no way going anywhere, Penn St. keeping Pitt out of the Big 10, and WVU not adding much in the way of TV's. Rutgers, Uconn and Syracuse could leave, but it there wouldn't be a conference that would take all 3 at the same time, so the conference would survive.

Basically, the conference members aren't desirable enough for significant poaching to take place.

why is everyone so sure the Big East will even offer us?

New market, gets 12 teams, championship game (maybe in the meadowlands? )

KSU gives the Big East nothing as far as a new market goes.  They will gladly take KU and MU without us.  UCF or Memphis gives them a new market.

What does KU add in this scenario as far as "new market goes"?

The other half of the TVs in the KC metro that aren't watching MU.

[Dr Rick Daris]

people think the big east is less stable because it will be picked apart when the big 10, sec, and acc decide they need more teams, none of which are us, with d's in h's, unstable.  could be.  wouldn't happen in pac 10.

I posted this earlier, but the two biggest powers (WVU and Pitt) aren't likely expansion candidates for the other conferences. Basically, you have UL, UC, USF, and TCU that are in no way going anywhere, Penn St. keeping Pitt out of the Big 10, and WVU not adding much in the way of TV's. Rutgers, Uconn and Syracuse could leave, but it there wouldn't be a conference that would take all 3 at the same time, so the conference would survive.

Basically, the conference members aren't desirable enough for significant poaching to take place.

why is everyone so sure the Big East will even offer us?

New market, gets 12 teams, championship game (maybe in the meadowlands? )

KSU gives the Big East nothing as far as a new market goes.  They will gladly take KU and MU without us.  UCF or Memphis gives them a new market.

i mean, i think people think they would take us this year, because they apparently would have taken us last year. also, i honestly don't think ku is going anywhere without kstate and i don't think they even really want to.

[michigancat]

people think the big east is less stable because it will be picked apart when the big 10, sec, and acc decide they need more teams, none of which are us, with d's in h's, unstable.  could be.  wouldn't happen in pac 10.

I posted this earlier, but the two biggest powers (WVU and Pitt) aren't likely expansion candidates for the other conferences. Basically, you have UL, UC, USF, and TCU that are in no way going anywhere, Penn St. keeping Pitt out of the Big 10, and WVU not adding much in the way of TV's. Rutgers, Uconn and Syracuse could leave, but it there wouldn't be a conference that would take all 3 at the same time, so the conference would survive.

Basically, the conference members aren't desirable enough for significant poaching to take place.

why is everyone so sure the Big East will even offer us?

New market, gets 12 teams, championship game (maybe in the meadowlands? )

KSU gives the Big East nothing as far as a new market goes.  They will gladly take KU and MU without us.  UCF or Memphis gives them a new market.

What does KU add in this scenario as far as "new market goes"?

The other half of the TVs in the KC metro that aren't watching MU.

So it is that simple? Because it isn't.

Looking beyond TV sets, KSU also adds compelling matchups with KU and MU along with a much larger football budget than UCF or Memphis.

[Rage Against the McKee]

people think the big east is less stable because it will be picked apart when the big 10, sec, and acc decide they need more teams, none of which are us, with d's in h's, unstable.  could be.  wouldn't happen in pac 10.

I posted this earlier, but the two biggest powers (WVU and Pitt) aren't likely expansion candidates for the other conferences. Basically, you have UL, UC, USF, and TCU that are in no way going anywhere, Penn St. keeping Pitt out of the Big 10, and WVU not adding much in the way of TV's. Rutgers, Uconn and Syracuse could leave, but it there wouldn't be a conference that would take all 3 at the same time, so the conference would survive.

Basically, the conference members aren't desirable enough for significant poaching to take place.

why is everyone so sure the Big East will even offer us?

New market, gets 12 teams, championship game (maybe in the meadowlands? )

KSU gives the Big East nothing as far as a new market goes.  They will gladly take KU and MU without us.  UCF or Memphis gives them a new market.

What does KU add in this scenario as far as "new market goes"?

The other half of the TVs in the KC metro that aren't watching MU.

So it is that simple? Because it isn't.

Looking beyond TV sets, KSU also adds compelling matchups with KU and MU along with a much larger football budget than UCF or Memphis.

This is correct. The Big East doesn't have a problem with TV sets; they have a problem with not having any compelling matchups to turn on those tv sets. Picking up KU, K-State, and MU would be huge for them.

[CHONGS]

people think the big east is less stable because it will be picked apart when the big 10, sec, and acc decide they need more teams, none of which are us, with d's in h's, unstable.  could be.  wouldn't happen in pac 10.

I posted this earlier, but the two biggest powers (WVU and Pitt) aren't likely expansion candidates for the other conferences. Basically, you have UL, UC, USF, and TCU that are in no way going anywhere, Penn St. keeping Pitt out of the Big 10, and WVU not adding much in the way of TV's. Rutgers, Uconn and Syracuse could leave, but it there wouldn't be a conference that would take all 3 at the same time, so the conference would survive.

Basically, the conference members aren't desirable enough for significant poaching to take place.

why is everyone so sure the Big East will even offer us?

New market, gets 12 teams, championship game (maybe in the meadowlands? )

KSU gives the Big East nothing as far as a new market goes.  They will gladly take KU and MU without us.  UCF or Memphis gives them a new market.

What does KU add in this scenario as far as "new market goes"?

The other half of the TVs in the KC metro that aren't watching MU.

So it is that simple? Because it isn't.

Looking beyond TV sets, KSU also adds compelling matchups with KU and MU along with a much larger football budget than UCF or Memphis.

I hope compelling matchups are driving this buss, but KU + MU is enough for the BE already.  I guess this is all beside the point since MU, KU, and KSU will all be in different conferences anyway

[ew2x4]

Chip on 810 is making me cry.

[DQ12]

Chip on 810 is making me cry.

Summary please.

[ew2x4]

Chip on 810 is making me cry.

Summary please.

It's all over.

[Dr Rick Daris]

people think the big east is less stable because it will be picked apart when the big 10, sec, and acc decide they need more teams, none of which are us, with d's in h's, unstable.  could be.  wouldn't happen in pac 10.

I posted this earlier, but the two biggest powers (WVU and Pitt) aren't likely expansion candidates for the other conferences. Basically, you have UL, UC, USF, and TCU that are in no way going anywhere, Penn St. keeping Pitt out of the Big 10, and WVU not adding much in the way of TV's. Rutgers, Uconn and Syracuse could leave, but it there wouldn't be a conference that would take all 3 at the same time, so the conference would survive.

Basically, the conference members aren't desirable enough for significant poaching to take place.

why is everyone so sure the Big East will even offer us?

New market, gets 12 teams, championship game (maybe in the meadowlands? )

KSU gives the Big East nothing as far as a new market goes.  They will gladly take KU and MU without us.  UCF or Memphis gives them a new market.

What does KU add in this scenario as far as "new market goes"?

The other half of the TVs in the KC metro that aren't watching MU.

So it is that simple? Because it isn't.

Looking beyond TV sets, KSU also adds compelling matchups with KU and MU along with a much larger football budget than UCF or Memphis.

yeah. all those people on the east coast are going to be getting geeked for that saturday morning kstate ku fball game.

[michigancat]

people think the big east is less stable because it will be picked apart when the big 10, sec, and acc decide they need more teams, none of which are us, with d's in h's, unstable.  could be.  wouldn't happen in pac 10.

I posted this earlier, but the two biggest powers (WVU and Pitt) aren't likely expansion candidates for the other conferences. Basically, you have UL, UC, USF, and TCU that are in no way going anywhere, Penn St. keeping Pitt out of the Big 10, and WVU not adding much in the way of TV's. Rutgers, Uconn and Syracuse could leave, but it there wouldn't be a conference that would take all 3 at the same time, so the conference would survive.

Basically, the conference members aren't desirable enough for significant poaching to take place.

why is everyone so sure the Big East will even offer us?

New market, gets 12 teams, championship game (maybe in the meadowlands? )

KSU gives the Big East nothing as far as a new market goes.  They will gladly take KU and MU without us.  UCF or Memphis gives them a new market.

What does KU add in this scenario as far as "new market goes"?

The other half of the TVs in the KC metro that aren't watching MU.

So it is that simple? Because it isn't.

Looking beyond TV sets, KSU also adds compelling matchups with KU and MU along with a much larger football budget than UCF or Memphis.

I hope compelling matchups are driving this buss, but KU + MU is enough for the BE already.  I guess this is all beside the point since MU, KU, and KSU will all be in different conferences anyway

No, KU and MU aren't enough for the Big East.

people think the big east is less stable because it will be picked apart when the big 10, sec, and acc decide they need more teams, none of which are us, with d's in h's, unstable.  could be.  wouldn't happen in pac 10.

I posted this earlier, but the two biggest powers (WVU and Pitt) aren't likely expansion candidates for the other conferences. Basically, you have UL, UC, USF, and TCU that are in no way going anywhere, Penn St. keeping Pitt out of the Big 10, and WVU not adding much in the way of TV's. Rutgers, Uconn and Syracuse could leave, but it there wouldn't be a conference that would take all 3 at the same time, so the conference would survive.

Basically, the conference members aren't desirable enough for significant poaching to take place.

why is everyone so sure the Big East will even offer us?

New market, gets 12 teams, championship game (maybe in the meadowlands? )

KSU gives the Big East nothing as far as a new market goes.  They will gladly take KU and MU without us.  UCF or Memphis gives them a new market.

What does KU add in this scenario as far as "new market goes"?

The other half of the TVs in the KC metro that aren't watching MU.

So it is that simple? Because it isn't.

Looking beyond TV sets, KSU also adds compelling matchups with KU and MU along with a much larger football budget than UCF or Memphis.

yeah. all those people on the east coast are going to be getting geeked for that saturday morning kstate ku fball game.

better than KU-Memphis.

[CHONGS]

[Rage Against the McKee]

people think the big east is less stable because it will be picked apart when the big 10, sec, and acc decide they need more teams, none of which are us, with d's in h's, unstable.  could be.  wouldn't happen in pac 10.

I posted this earlier, but the two biggest powers (WVU and Pitt) aren't likely expansion candidates for the other conferences. Basically, you have UL, UC, USF, and TCU that are in no way going anywhere, Penn St. keeping Pitt out of the Big 10, and WVU not adding much in the way of TV's. Rutgers, Uconn and Syracuse could leave, but it there wouldn't be a conference that would take all 3 at the same time, so the conference would survive.

Basically, the conference members aren't desirable enough for significant poaching to take place.

why is everyone so sure the Big East will even offer us?

New market, gets 12 teams, championship game (maybe in the meadowlands? )

KSU gives the Big East nothing as far as a new market goes.  They will gladly take KU and MU without us.  UCF or Memphis gives them a new market.

What does KU add in this scenario as far as "new market goes"?

The other half of the TVs in the KC metro that aren't watching MU.

So it is that simple? Because it isn't.

Looking beyond TV sets, KSU also adds compelling matchups with KU and MU along with a much larger football budget than UCF or Memphis.

yeah. all those people on the east coast are going to be getting geeked for that saturday morning kstate ku fball game.

In a year where both teams are actually good, they absolutely will be.

[sys]

i got hooked on baylor-a&m games, and i'm not sure i knew either school existed prior to the big 8 to 12 merge.  true hatred is irresistible.

[michigancat]

i got hooked on baylor-a&m games, and i'm not sure i knew either school existed prior to the big 8 to 12 merge.  true hatred is irresistible.

Pitt/WVU is a mainstay on Big Monday and the league's premier football matchup, and it's geographic footprint really only covers the pittsburgh market.

[CHONGS]

Expect the long-awaited announcement of Texas A&M to the SEC on Wednesday. Vote expected to be unanimous by SEC to accept A&M, sources say.

fwiw

[ew2x4]

I'm interested to hear Cap Crap's thoughts now. A few days ago he was confident we'd turn out ok. Now there's lot of reason to not be.

I'm starting to just want it to be over with.

[WillieWatanabe]

Fitz starts a thread, just to repost the same "news" from Monday night...

(Disclaimer: This is the same info I posted Monday night because nothing has changed. K-State is stuck in limbo at the time, but before someone complains that I haven't updated them in the last few hours, here is what's going on ...)

[pike]

Fitz starts a thread, just to repost the same "news" from Monday night...

(Disclaimer: This is the same info I posted Monday night because nothing has changed. K-State is stuck in limbo at the time, but before someone complains that I haven't updated them in the last few hours, here is what's going on ...)

brilliant journalism

[captaincrap]

I'm interested to hear Cap Crap's thoughts now. A few days ago he was confident we'd turn out ok. Now there's lot of reason to not be.

I'm starting to just want it to be over with.

What is the reason not to be?

[PowercatPat]

So would OU make more money in the Pac 16?