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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #7300 on: August 01, 2011, 02:24:03 PM »
Yeah, if it were to happen, about half of ku tuckville will stroke out, with Ben being one of the first.   Kid is about ready to explode now as it is.




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« Reply #7301 on: August 01, 2011, 02:45:04 PM »
I don't think TX is going anywhere and as long as they are here, KSU, ISU, and prob one or two other of the little guys in our confy will stick and just invite new members and keep our BCS status.  I am fine with this rather than watching all the games on Eastern time. 

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« Reply #7302 on: August 01, 2011, 02:45:35 PM »
Texas Tech is also putting out feelers with the PAC-12  :D

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« Reply #7303 on: August 01, 2011, 02:48:15 PM »
Texas Tech is also putting out feelers with the PAC-12  :D

Obviously "We have a Tech problem" didn't rain on their parade.

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« Reply #7304 on: August 01, 2011, 02:48:45 PM »
I just don't get the argument from A&M that the end game for Texas is to go independent.

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« Reply #7305 on: August 01, 2011, 02:51:43 PM »
I just don't get the argument from A&M that the end game for Texas is to go independent.



Yeah, they get confy money as well as their own network money as it is.  They only thing that could get better with being an independent would be a prearrangement for a particular bowl given eligibility.  What am I missing?

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« Reply #7306 on: August 01, 2011, 02:56:55 PM »
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« Reply #7307 on: August 01, 2011, 02:58:04 PM »
Texas Tech is also putting out feelers with the PAC-12  :D

And Okie State is working the phones like crazy. :surprised:

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« Reply #7308 on: August 01, 2011, 02:58:17 PM »
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« Reply #7309 on: August 01, 2011, 02:58:38 PM »
I just don't get the argument from A&M that the end game for Texas is to go independent.



Yeah, they get confy money as well as their own network money as it is.  They only thing that could get better with being an independent would be a prearrangement for a particular bowl given eligibility.  What am I missing?

Penis envy.

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« Reply #7310 on: August 01, 2011, 03:00:59 PM »
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 :surprised:

he has, like, 50 posts in this thread alone  :blank:

But not recently!


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« Reply #7311 on: August 01, 2011, 03:34:31 PM »
I don't think TX is going anywhere and as long as they are here, KSU, ISU, and prob one or two other of the little guys in our confy will stick and just invite new members and keep our BCS status.  I am fine with this rather than watching all the games on Eastern time. 

All of this re-realignment talk is being fabricated from nameless A&M sources via their message boards and fan sites due to their butthurt over the LHN.  There hasn't been one piece of tangible evidence that I've seen that says the SEC has approached them for even exploratory discussions.  They may have approached the SEC, but for the SEC to go after A&M, they'd have to get at least one more school, and then that gets into a whole lot of "who?" that really has little basis in reality.

A&M can moan and groan and shake their sticks like they're a Sandperson from the deserts of Tatooine, but the truth of the matter is that the "Core Four" are a political landmine for any conference that wants to extend an invite.  A&M may think they have the ability to just go out and talk to whoever they want, but the second there are REAL talks, there will be a special session of the Texas legislature called to discuss why this isn't going to happen.

And the one thing that I haven't heard ANYONE talk about in this latest round of realignment is the potential for poaching Miami, Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Maryland, etc. to join the SEC.  The ACC just renegotiated first tier rights, and they barely exceed what we just got for second tier rights when you add the total packages together.  As soon as the Big 12 renegotiates first tier, and you consider the fact that we have two less teams to split the revenue, we're going to blow them out of the water in terms of revenue generation.  And if I'm the SEC commish, I'm thinking that a complete monopoly of the state of Florida plus, say, the addition of Clemson and the Baltimore and DC television markets makes for a much more attractive and profitable venture than trying to pry A&M from the Texas legislature.

You must take all four of them, or you take none of them.  And Texas won't go to the SEC (they aren't serious enough about academics), and the Pac-12 won't take Baylor (Cal and Stanford will kidnap Larry Scott and sell him to human traffickers before that happens), so bound together until the state of Texas no longer exists or the NCAA no longer exists, whichever comes first.

It just cracks me up with relatively smart and knowledgeable people will say things like, "The Big 12 is not stable."  Well, no, the schools don't like each other, but we're all bound together by a series of strong bonds that keep this confederation a mutually profitable venture.

* All four Texas schools are bound together.  If Texas wants to go somewhere, they have to take the entourage.  If any of the others want to go, they're stuck to Texas for political reasons.  And no one wants Baylor.  So they're stuck.

* Oklahoma wants to be with Texas, and Oklahoma State wants to be with Oklahoma.

* Kansas and Kansas State are together.  It is what it is.

* Iowa State has nowhere else to go.

* Missouri is a willing participant in any discussions with other conferences, but the only two that would be interesting to them are the Big Ten (who doesn't want them) and the SEC (who may take them if about ten other schools pass first)

We're a profitable conference.  These teams don't have better realistic options.  Everything is fine.  It's going to be fine, and people need to stop acting like everything is going to fall apart.  It's not.

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« Reply #7312 on: August 01, 2011, 03:36:55 PM »
I just don't get the argument from A&M that the end game for Texas is to go independent.



It's an absolutely stupid talking point. 

People don't realize how much money Notre Dame actually leaves on the table as an Independent.  They wouldn't be making these kinds of statements if they did.

It's much better to own your own conference, and share the costs, than to go it alone and incur them all and deal with the hassle.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #7313 on: August 01, 2011, 03:38:05 PM »
:dnr: to panjandrum, but opposite.


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« Reply #7314 on: August 01, 2011, 03:47:37 PM »
And one other thing...

I take the contrarian view that conference retraction, not expansion is the most likely future nuclear event that will hit college athletics, and we're going to be the catalyst for it.

Once conferences realize that you can still make as much money or more by dropping teams...well, you do the math.

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« Reply #7315 on: August 01, 2011, 03:59:50 PM »
Chocopockets is threatening to jump out the window if we don't turn the TV back to the Care Bears.

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« Reply #7316 on: August 01, 2011, 04:09:44 PM »
Like CC said awhile back, there's a signficant community in the TV industry that isn't all that fired up about the "super conference" concept, because they know it creates a significant amount of unknowns, and potentially wrecks a whole series of sure fire TV winners, because many of those games simply won't be able to be played every year in a "super conference" format.   It also starts creating NFL like TV contract negotiations, and there's no way a whole bunch of 7-5, 8-4 teams that COULD make up the majority of the "super conferences" transcends the TV ratings beyond the hardcore college sports fans.


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« Reply #7317 on: August 01, 2011, 04:15:19 PM »
I don't think TX is going anywhere and as long as they are here, KSU, ISU, and prob one or two other of the little guys in our confy will stick and just invite new members and keep our BCS status.  I am fine with this rather than watching all the games on Eastern time.  

All of this re-realignment talk is being fabricated from nameless A&M sources via their message boards and fan sites due to their butthurt over the LHN.  There hasn't been one piece of tangible evidence that I've seen that says the SEC has approached them for even exploratory discussions.  They may have approached the SEC, but for the SEC to go after A&M, they'd have to get at least one more school, and then that gets into a whole lot of "who?" that really has little basis in reality.

A&M can moan and groan and shake their sticks like they're a Sandperson from the deserts of Tatooine, but the truth of the matter is that the "Core Four" are a political landmine for any conference that wants to extend an invite.  A&M may think they have the ability to just go out and talk to whoever they want, but the second there are REAL talks, there will be a special session of the Texas legislature called to discuss why this isn't going to happen.

And the one thing that I haven't heard ANYONE talk about in this latest round of realignment is the potential for poaching Miami, Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Maryland, etc. to join the SEC.  The ACC just renegotiated first tier rights, and they barely exceed what we just got for second tier rights when you add the total packages together.  As soon as the Big 12 renegotiates first tier, and you consider the fact that we have two less teams to split the revenue, we're going to blow them out of the water in terms of revenue generation.  And if I'm the SEC commish, I'm thinking that a complete monopoly of the state of Florida plus, say, the addition of Clemson and the Baltimore and DC television markets makes for a much more attractive and profitable venture than trying to pry A&M from the Texas legislature.

You must take all four of them, or you take none of them.  And Texas won't go to the SEC (they aren't serious enough about academics), and the Pac-12 won't take Baylor (Cal and Stanford will kidnap Larry Scott and sell him to human traffickers before that happens), so bound together until the state of Texas no longer exists or the NCAA no longer exists, whichever comes first.

It just cracks me up with relatively smart and knowledgeable people will say things like, "The Big 12 is not stable."  Well, no, the schools don't like each other, but we're all bound together by a series of strong bonds that keep this confederation a mutually profitable venture.

* All four Texas schools are bound together.  If Texas wants to go somewhere, they have to take the entourage.  If any of the others want to go, they're stuck to Texas for political reasons.  And no one wants Baylor.  So they're stuck.

* Oklahoma wants to be with Texas, and Oklahoma State wants to be with Oklahoma.

* Kansas and Kansas State are together.  It is what it is.

* Iowa State has nowhere else to go.

* Missouri is a willing participant in any discussions with other conferences, but the only two that would be interesting to them are the Big Ten (who doesn't want them) and the SEC (who may take them if about ten other schools pass first)

We're a profitable conference.  These teams don't have better realistic options.  Everything is fine.  It's going to be fine, and people need to stop acting like everything is going to fall apart.  It's not.


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« Reply #7318 on: August 01, 2011, 04:21:08 PM »
'grats to panjandrum.  he's not a dumbass.
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« Reply #7319 on: August 01, 2011, 04:41:58 PM »
Chocopockets is threatening to jump out the window if we don't turn the TV back to the Care Bears.

This is what happens when you make decisions based on ego and emotion and not logic.

Sometimes, the most logical and intelligent course of action is to be self-aware of your place in the grand scheme of things and find a way to maximize your gains.

A&M is not Texas, athletically or academically.  They will not ever be Texas.  To act like they are is folly.

But they do have advantages 90% or more of the other BCS schools do not have.  And if they focus on keeping that kind of competitive advantage, they may experience a great deal of success.

I mean, hey, look at Auburn.  They're the second most popular football program in their state, but they just won a national title because they have advantages most other BCS schools don't have, and they secured a game changer at QB that won them a national title.

That's my greatest gripe with KSU fans.  Many of them focus on how we stack up against KU instead of how we stack up against everyone else.  When you focus on who you are, what you do, and how you can get better at those two things, everything else takes care of itself.  A&M could learn something about that.

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« Reply #7320 on: August 01, 2011, 04:47:51 PM »
Can someone post hilarious posts from A&M fans where they overvalue their program?

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« Reply #7321 on: August 01, 2011, 04:49:13 PM »
Can someone post hilarious posts from A&M fans where they overvalue their program?

Could just post phog.net posts and you couldn't tell the difference

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« Reply #7322 on: August 01, 2011, 04:50:39 PM »
Can someone post hilarious posts from A&M fans where they overvalue their program?

1st one I opened

http://texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=1876015&forum_id=5

I imagine them to be more like....


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« Reply #7323 on: August 01, 2011, 04:52:35 PM »
But, but the Kansas City MARKET!!    :comeatme:

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« Reply #7324 on: August 01, 2011, 04:56:51 PM »
Can someone post hilarious posts from A&M fans where they overvalue their program?

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