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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #29725 on: December 05, 2016, 06:51:50 PM »
Jmo but winning the conf is a regular season playoff to the playoffs. If you think you deserve to be in the playoff, win your rough ridin' conference.  And I say that knowing full well that you won't always have the "best" teams in the playoff that way.

Exactly this. If you're one of the, "Top Teams," in the country it's embarrassing if you don't win your conference. I do like the idea of 8-Teams with all Power 5 Conference champs, plus 2 at large, and highest non-power 5 team.

Would give teams like our 'Cats to actually compete for a Natty every so often.


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« Reply #29726 on: December 05, 2016, 06:54:52 PM »
I just wish there were a way to expand the playoff without adding any at large bids. Ideally, there would be seven 10 team power conferences, with 1 bid going to a mid major conference champ.

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« Reply #29727 on: December 05, 2016, 06:56:08 PM »
I also have gripes with pro leagues because non-division games count in who wins the division. A team that goes 6-10 in the nfl and undefeated in the division should be in the playoffs. Let out of division games determine wildcards.
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« Reply #29728 on: December 05, 2016, 07:17:03 PM »
Yeah, teams that can't win their conference getting into the playoff over teams that do just cheapens the regular season.
Does anyone remember the 2003 CCG.  Who played in the BCS that year.  A blue blood or a conference champion.  Food for thought.
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« Reply #29729 on: December 05, 2016, 07:24:00 PM »
is ou really not one of the 4 best? 
their offensive skill positions are some of the best in the country


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« Reply #29730 on: December 05, 2016, 07:29:36 PM »
is ou really not one of the 4 best? 
their offensive skill positions are some of the best in the country
They defiantly have the best RB's... and a Heisman type QB.
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« Reply #29731 on: December 05, 2016, 07:37:46 PM »
is ou really not one of the 4 best? 
their offensive skill positions are some of the best in the country

Did you see what OSU did to them in Norman?
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« Reply #29732 on: December 05, 2016, 07:39:34 PM »
is ou really not one of the 4 best? 
their offensive skill positions are some of the best in the country

Did you see what OSU did to them in Norman?

That was ages ago.

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« Reply #29733 on: December 05, 2016, 07:40:52 PM »
Jmo but winning the conf is a regular season playoff to the playoffs. If you think you deserve to be in the playoff, win your rough ridin' conference.  And I say that knowing full well that you won't always have the "best" teams in the playoff that way.

Exactly this. If you're one of the, "Top Teams," in the country it's embarrassing if you don't win your conference. I do like the idea of 8-Teams with all Power 5 Conference champs, plus 2 at large, and highest non-power 5 team.

Would give teams like our 'Cats to actually compete for a Natty every so often.


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K-State has a much better chance at winning a national title in the current format than an 8 team playoff. In the current format we would need to win 11 of 12 regular season games, a conference title, the playoff semi and then the national title.

In your 8 team playoff we still would have to win the same amount of games, and a game vs a top 8 team, and a bow semi, then a national title.

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« Reply #29734 on: December 05, 2016, 07:42:46 PM »
Yeah, teams that can't win their conference getting into the playoff over teams that do just cheapens the regular season.
Does anyone remember the 2003 CCG.  Who played in the BCS that year.  A blue blood or a conference champion.  Food for thought.
How many losses did we have that season? What a stupid rough ridin' post

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« Reply #29735 on: December 05, 2016, 07:44:07 PM »
is ou really not one of the 4 best? 
their offensive skill positions are some of the best in the country

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« Reply #29736 on: December 05, 2016, 07:44:11 PM »
I am in shock how anyone is arguing against this final 4

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« Reply #29737 on: December 05, 2016, 07:44:26 PM »
Jmo but winning the conf is a regular season playoff to the playoffs. If you think you deserve to be in the playoff, win your rough ridin' conference.  And I say that knowing full well that you won't always have the "best" teams in the playoff that way.

Exactly this. If you're one of the, "Top Teams," in the country it's embarrassing if you don't win your conference. I do like the idea of 8-Teams with all Power 5 Conference champs, plus 2 at large, and highest non-power 5 team.

Would give teams like our 'Cats to actually compete for a Natty every so often.


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K-State has a much better chance at winning a national title in the current format than an 8 team playoff. In the current format we would need to win 11 of 12 regular season games, a conference title, the playoff semi and then the national title.

In your 8 team playoff we still would have to win the same amount of games, and a game vs a top 8 team, and a bow semi, then a national title.

In an 8 team playoff with auto-bids to conference champs, K-State could get in with 2 or 3 losses.

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« Reply #29738 on: December 05, 2016, 07:47:04 PM »
Jmo but winning the conf is a regular season playoff to the playoffs. If you think you deserve to be in the playoff, win your rough ridin' conference.  And I say that knowing full well that you won't always have the "best" teams in the playoff that way.

Exactly this. If you're one of the, "Top Teams," in the country it's embarrassing if you don't win your conference. I do like the idea of 8-Teams with all Power 5 Conference champs, plus 2 at large, and highest non-power 5 team.

Would give teams like our 'Cats to actually compete for a Natty every so often.


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K-State has a much better chance at winning a national title in the current format than an 8 team playoff. In the current format we would need to win 11 of 12 regular season games, a conference title, the playoff semi and then the national title.

In your 8 team playoff we still would have to win the same amount of games, and a game vs a top 8 team, and a bow semi, then a national title.

In an 8 team playoff with auto-bids to conference champs, K-State could get in with 2 or 3 losses.
We aren't losing 3 games and making it to a CCG in a round robin format.

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« Reply #29739 on: December 05, 2016, 07:48:53 PM »
Jmo but winning the conf is a regular season playoff to the playoffs. If you think you deserve to be in the playoff, win your rough ridin' conference.  And I say that knowing full well that you won't always have the "best" teams in the playoff that way.

Exactly this. If you're one of the, "Top Teams," in the country it's embarrassing if you don't win your conference. I do like the idea of 8-Teams with all Power 5 Conference champs, plus 2 at large, and highest non-power 5 team.

Would give teams like our 'Cats to actually compete for a Natty every so often.


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K-State has a much better chance at winning a national title in the current format than an 8 team playoff. In the current format we would need to win 11 of 12 regular season games, a conference title, the playoff semi and then the national title.

In your 8 team playoff we still would have to win the same amount of games, and a game vs a top 8 team, and a bow semi, then a national title.

In an 8 team playoff with auto-bids to conference champs, K-State could get in with 2 or 3 losses.
We aren't losing 3 games and making it to a CCG in a round robin format.

We are having a CCG starting next year, though.

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« Reply #29740 on: December 05, 2016, 07:51:54 PM »
I have a hard time thinking if we are not good enough to go undefeated in our non con that we will be good enough to win a CCG whether we back door our way in with 2 conference losses or not.

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« Reply #29741 on: December 05, 2016, 07:56:29 PM »
And again I stand by my statement I think there is a better chance we eventually find a way to win a national title by having a season where we are considered a top 4 team and winning two games, than not being considered a top 4 team, winning a CCG, winning a campus qtr final game, a bowl semi, and a national title.

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« Reply #29742 on: December 05, 2016, 07:58:07 PM »
I have a hard time thinking if we are not good enough to go undefeated in our non con that we will be good enough to win a CCG whether we back door our way in with 2 conference losses or not.

Well, the only time we were ever good enough to win a CCG we lost 2 conference games and a noncon game to Marshall.

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« Reply #29743 on: December 05, 2016, 08:01:30 PM »
I have a hard time thinking if we are not good enough to go undefeated in our non con that we will be good enough to win a CCG whether we back door our way in with 2 conference losses or not.

Well, the only time we were ever good enough to win a CCG we lost 2 conference games and a noncon game to Marshall.
And UT only lost one conference game so we wouldn't have been in the CCG. Might want to look up that season before you bring that weak crap.

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« Reply #29744 on: December 05, 2016, 08:05:15 PM »
All kidding and faux tough guy by me aside the proposed 8 team playoff with how the big 12 is currently set up would never get us in where the current 4 team playoff wouldn't

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« Reply #29745 on: December 05, 2016, 08:07:09 PM »
is ou really not one of the 4 best? 
their offensive skill positions are some of the best in the country

Did you see what OSU did to them in Norman?

i did.  but listen to me.
i pretty much watched every college football game this season and i know that ou is one of the top 4-5 teams in the country.


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« Reply #29746 on: December 05, 2016, 08:07:45 PM »
washington sucks assnuts.  ok.  maybe a little extremo but they would get bent by ou.


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« Reply #29747 on: December 05, 2016, 10:17:06 PM »
I don't get the "conference championship should be required" crowd at all.  If we want to make the OOC exhibition games, that's one thing, but if not, then OOC games should count just as much into the "resume" as conference games.


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« Reply #29748 on: December 05, 2016, 10:54:31 PM »
All kidding and faux tough guy by me aside the proposed 8 team playoff with how the big 12 is currently set up would never get us in where the current 4 team playoff wouldn't

So we never get in?

And again I stand by my statement I think there is a better chance we eventually find a way to win a national title by having a season where we are considered a top 4 team and winning two games, than not being considered a top 4 team, winning a CCG, winning a campus qtr final game, a bowl semi, and a national title.

This is literally true though of any team though. 8 teams would mean more games for all teams to play and win for the Natty, and it would be easier to any teams that got into a 4 team playoff to win, there are less opportunities to lose. The difference is that scenario 2 of not being a top 4 team but getting in via CCG at least offers the chance to win a Natty, even slim. After all upsets do happen and the optics of making the playoff, even if guaranteed automatically due to winning a CCG looks good to a program, whereas in reverse, such as Penn St. and lesser so OU, you could play the line of "you were good enough to win your conference, but can't even make the playoffs! lolz". That looks bad. Also, if we are a top 4 team and make a 8 team playoff than it shouldn't necessarily matter, we'd should win the first round and make it to the "final 4" anyways. If you can't win that game via upset, that you probably weren't a top 4 team anyways.

Related but slightly off topic I think there are legitimately any given season 3-10 teams that on any given Saturday could beat any team in the country with more than just a fluke win/upset. The move to 4 was a great upgrade from 2 cause you ice'd out several teams that could make a case for being #2, or even #1. The first playoff proved that with a "4" seed in tOSU winning the whole thing. 1 data point for sure but that immediately legitimized the 4 team playoff. But years like this year you push the argument down to teams in spots 5, 6, 7. I for one absolutely believe a Michigan or Penn St. could beat a Clemson or Washington, and both of those teams are basically coinflips away from switching up their result with tOSU. I think the move to 8, hopefully eventually pushes the argument down to where we talk about teams 9, 10, 11, where there the argument changes to more "this team shouldn't be playing in the playoff" than "there are teams out there that could/should be" and even still there are many teams that still could down at the 9, 10, 11 spot. You got to draw a line somewhere, but 4 is still IMO too short of a satisfactory answer. We literally never have these arguments in any other sport of who should be in and who should be out other than bball and that takes it out all the way to teams 68 and 69. Those teams ain't winning the tourny and that tournament also freaking guarantees conference champs a place in it's tournament.
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« Reply #29749 on: December 06, 2016, 12:58:25 AM »
I also have gripes with pro leagues because non-division games count in who wins the division. A team that goes 6-10 in the nfl and undefeated in the division should be in the playoffs. Let out of division games determine wildcards.

The nfl has a balanced schedule.  All the teams in a division play roughly the same schedules.

The nfl is the gold standard for maintaining the importance of the regular season while settling the 'ship via playoff.