Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Guys, if the big xii exploads we'll end up in a p4 conference. There's no doubt about it. It's stupid to pretend we'd be left out. Nobody believes that.

[kim carnes]

Of all states with 2+ P5 schools, kansas has the smallest population so it would be smart to leave us out IMO.  Meanwhile Connecticut and Nevada have no P5 schools but similar populations.

[eastcat]

I would rather take ISU and OSU to the Mountain west and kick out some bottom feeders there.

[Panjandrum]

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/10/18/13309192/big-12-expansion-conference-realignment-grant-of-rights-inevitable-death

 

Four options: Oklahoma, Texas
Two options: Kansas, Oklahoma State, TCU
One option: Baylor, Iowa State, Texas Tech, WVU
No options: Kansas State

Baylor in the PAC 12

I like Bill. I was on his podcast once when he ran Rock M Nation. 

But ever since they moved to the SEC, he's been a dick to KSU.

[Panjandrum]

Guys, if the big xii exploads we'll end up in a p4 conference. There's no doubt about it. It's stupid to pretend we'd be left out. Nobody believes that.

We will find a spot.  I absolutely agree.

[Demo158]

Guys, if the big xii exploads we'll end up in a p4 conference. There's no doubt about it. It's stupid to pretend we'd be left out. Nobody believes that.

We will find a spot.  I absolutely agree.

Big 10 or bust!!


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[Pete]

Best shot we have is to keep OU and UT.  If we lose them, KSU is mumped, IMO.

No conference HAS to go to 16 schools, even if the Big 12 loses UT and OU. They could all do exactly what the Big 12 just did and say "no one is good enough."  And guess what, no one outside of OU and UT is good enough to bring in.

Besides, If I were the ACC and needed another non-UT or OU school, I'd take UCONN and WVU before us.

If I were the SEC, I would not take ANY Big 12 school unless I could get OU and UT.  If either UT or OU required that I had to bring Tech or OSU in order to get them, I MIGHT do that, but probably not.

If I were the BIG I'd take KU (AAU school) and OU, and  and any combination of those two and UT.  That's it.

If I were the PAC, I'd consider going to 16 if I could get either UT or OU.  Even that would be a hard sell amongst the existing school.  This might be KSU's best chance at not being left out.

[Skipper44]

The best thing KSU brings to the PAC is 11 am kickoffs and 6 pm tips.  There is def some value in that for a network.

[scottwildcat]

quick question: when does the Pac-12 GOR expire? Why don't we start beating the war drum and act like we are going to take the two Arizona Schools, Utah, and take Colorado back because we actually make more money than the stupid Pac-12? Like if I'm UT and OU i would swing my dick around and tell everyone who will listen that's what we are going to do regardless on if that is a real plan or not.

[steve dave]

nobody GsAF about any GOR. it's a toothless tiger.

[scottwildcat]

then why don't we just start shitting on the Pac?

[Pete]

quick question: when does the Pac-12 GOR expire? Why don't we start beating the war drum and act like we are going to take the two Arizona Schools, Utah, and take Colorado back because we actually make more money than the stupid Pac-12? Like if I'm UT and OU i would swing my dick around and tell everyone who will listen that's what we are going to do regardless on if that is a real plan or not.

The Big 12 won't do that, because OU and UT can't agree to a plan.

That's the entirety of the conference in a nutshell.  Every last thing about this conference can be explained by simply shrugging and saying "OU and UT don't agree with each other."

[Shooter Jones]

quick question: when does the Pac-12 GOR expire? Why don't we start beating the war drum and act like we are going to take the two Arizona Schools, Utah, and take Colorado back because we actually make more money than the stupid Pac-12? Like if I'm UT and OU i would swing my dick around and tell everyone who will listen that's what we are going to do regardless on if that is a real plan or not.

Is it true the Big 12 will now be getting anywhere from $2-8mill more per school to stay at 10 teams? Which would put even more separation (maybe $10mill plus) in the amount of money made between the conferences (B12 and P12). Going after those PAC schools is absolutely the best plan, but like Pete said, it will probably never happen.

[MakeItRain]

No. It's much more likely that Texas will give up making more money than everyone else and being the most powerful school in the P6 to join a poorer conference because they want to screw K-State over. We're done, its all over.

[MakeItRain]

quick question: when does the Pac-12 GOR expire? Why don't we start beating the war drum and act like we are going to take the two Arizona Schools, Utah, and take Colorado back because we actually make more money than the stupid Pac-12? Like if I'm UT and OU i would swing my dick around and tell everyone who will listen that's what we are going to do regardless on if that is a real plan or not.

Is it true the Big 12 will now be getting anywhere from $2-8mill more per school to stay at 10 teams? Which would put even more separation (maybe $10mill plus) in the amount of money made between the conferences (B12 and P12). Going after those PAC schools is absolutely the best plan, but like Pete said, it will probably never happen.

We saw published rumors of this a year ago. I'm sure the U of A beat writer of the Tuscon newspaper is smarter and more plugged in than the entire power structure of the Big 12, makes perfect sense.

[Panjandrum]

Texas, and their big donors, want the Big 12 to survive.  They absolutely love having God-like status.

We'll add a CCG, renegotiate the buyout, most of our schools will be on par with the SEC in terms of cash, and Texas will make more money that everyone. 

Texas will fire Charlie Strong, throw $5 million a year at Tom Herman, and they'll be winning ten game a year, and no one will be talking about leaving the Big 12.

[kso_FAN]

Texas, and their big donors, want the Big 12 to survive.  They absolutely love having God-like status.

We'll add a CCG, renegotiate the buyout, most of our schools will be on par with the SEC in terms of cash, and Texas will make more money that everyone. 

Texas will fire Charlie Strong, throw $5 million a year at Tom Herman, and they'll be winning ten game a year, and no one will be talking about leaving the Big 12.

I agree. Any panic about UT or OU leaving anytime soon is way premature.

[Panjandrum]

quick question: when does the Pac-12 GOR expire? Why don't we start beating the war drum and act like we are going to take the two Arizona Schools, Utah, and take Colorado back because we actually make more money than the stupid Pac-12? Like if I'm UT and OU i would swing my dick around and tell everyone who will listen that's what we are going to do regardless on if that is a real plan or not.

Is it true the Big 12 will now be getting anywhere from $2-8mill more per school to stay at 10 teams? Which would put even more separation (maybe $10mill plus) in the amount of money made between the conferences (B12 and P12). Going after those PAC schools is absolutely the best plan, but like Pete said, it will probably never happen.

We saw published rumors of this a year ago. I'm sure the U of A beat writer of the Tuscon newspaper is smarter and more plugged in than the entire power structure of the Big 12, makes perfect sense.

The grumbling in the Pac 12 is audible at this point, and they have six more years in their deals.

The Pac 12 has three major problems:

1) The Pac 12 Network is a joke and is making the schools considerably less money than we get selling a few basketball games against Maryland-Eastern Shore to FSN

2) To get the money they do have, they agreed to play god awful time slots where they get almost no exposure to anyone outside of the Central and Mountain time zones. 

3) Their basketball programs are being forced onto the Pac-12 Network so it can gain traction, and that has been a total disaster for exposure.

The Pac-12 basketball schedule for the coming season:

Pac-12 Conference controlled games include 151 games to be aired on Pac-12 Networks (including eight Pac-12 Tournament games), 47 on ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU (including three Pac-12 Tournament games), 20 games on FS1 and two nationally each on FOX and CBS broadcast networks. Additional appearances will be made through other conference television agreements and various in-season tournaments.

http://pac-12.com/article/2016/09/08/pac-12-announces-2016-17-mens-basketball-television-schedule

That's 222 total games.  Percentage breakdown:

CBS/Fox: 1.8%
ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU: 21.2%
FS1: 9.0%
P12N: 68.0%

77% of their games are on FS1, which folks don't really watch for football, let alone basketball, and a network that most people get when paying for a sports tier to get access to hunting shows and motocross rallies.

23% of their games are on channels that casual viewers go to for basketball.  Compare that to the Big 12:

All 90 league contests are slated for national or regional telecast in 2016-17. Currently, a total of 85 conference matchups (94.4 percent) will be seen on a national platform - ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, ESPNEWS or CBS Sports. In addition, the remaining five contests are slated for national and regional institutionally-branded outlets.

Does anyone think that Arizona would rather have their basketball program in the Big 12 or Pac 12?

I absolutely believe Arizona and Arizona State have informally reached out to us.  I absolutely believe they'd entertain coming to the Big 12 because they're very disgruntled with the Pac 12's exposure and financial situation.  The only problem is that they have a heavy enrollment and alumni base in California.  But both UA and ASU take considerable subsidies to cover their shortfalls.  The last published figures in USA Today showed that UA pulled 10.29% of their budget from subsidies (~9 million), and ASU pulled a whopping 22%, which was the highest in the Pac 12 (~$19.3 million). And the majority of Pac-12 schools are absolutely hemorrhaging money, so it's not just them.  At some point, they may be faced with a "Maryland" decision where they have to go against what they know and head somewhere they can pay the bills and get more exposure.

[steve dave]

 

[Panjandrum]

They probably won't move.  But their schools are losing money hand over fist.

Hell, our schools take as low of subsidies as those in the Big Ten and SEC.  That says a lot about our financial strength compared to the Pac 12.

[star seed 7]

If someone fucks over pac12 after dark I'm going to be very pissed

[Panjandrum]

I've said it in here before, but I still think the most likely thing, regardless of whether or not we expanded, was for the Big 12 and Pac 12 to have separate conferences but create a joint media rights deal. 

We share the same T1/T2 deals with ESPN/Fox, we want a conference network, and they can't get theirs carried anywhere.  The model is set up so that we could bundle T1/T2 together, and as teams T3 rights expire, they can roll into their platform.

If both conferences merged rights together, the platform would be 11 states, 100+ million people, four time zones, and almost every major school west of the Mississippi.  Carriage wouldn't be a problem.

Both conferences have sold out to get more money due to a demographic challenge.  The Pac 12 is in bad time slots because ESPN wanted them to play late at night, and we have a limited footprint (albeit in the most desirable time zone).  The Pac 12 needed nine conference games and a CCG to maximize revenue, and we will do essentially the same thing.  The last four years, and in 4/5 of the opportunities, there has been a rematch between regular season competitors and CCG competitors.  We're always going to have that problem.  Both conferences are going to cannibalize each other, and it's just more likely because 14 teams is really the optimal way to try and have two divisions without having two good teams play each other.

Our best bet is to lobby for an eight team playoff and stick with our current formats.  That way, the conference champ gets in, regardless. 

At the end of the day, we all get what we want.  The conferences stay the same, we all make money, no one gets left out, everyone gets access to the playoff.  Win win.

[Katpappy]

quick question: when does the Pac-12 GOR expire? Why don't we start beating the war drum and act like we are going to take the two Arizona Schools, Utah, and take Colorado back because we actually make more money than the stupid Pac-12? Like if I'm UT and OU i would swing my dick around and tell everyone who will listen that's what we are going to do regardless on if that is a real plan or not.

This makes sense! 

[MadCat]

In the spirit of ESPN Ocho...

Fox 12, the ZWÖLF

[Katpappy]

Texas, and their big donors, want the Big 12 to survive.  They absolutely love having God-like status.

We'll add a CCG, renegotiate the buyout, most of our schools will be on par with the SEC in terms of cash, and Texas will make more money that everyone. 

Texas will fire Charlie Strong, throw $5 million a year at Tom Herman, and they'll be winning ten game a year, and no one will be talking about leaving the Big 12.

Expect OU, who are becoming more like Red-Assed Aggies.