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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #26900 on: December 04, 2015, 09:51:44 AM »
so Briles is a good recruiter, thanks, didn't know that
You seem lost when it comes to sports, someones gotta help you out!

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #26901 on: December 04, 2015, 09:52:05 AM »
Houston and Cincy are joining the Big 12 in the next 12 months.  Might as well get used to it.

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« Reply #26902 on: December 04, 2015, 10:00:29 AM »
TCU at least went out and played big name teams, and beat big name teams in big bowls.  I have no idea who Houston has beaten if anyone in the last how many years.  I actually had no idea Art Briles coached there.

Houston has been working on that.  Scheduled a home/home with Louisville a while back and beat them at Louisville earlier this year. 

They have a home/home with OU starting next year, but they'll play OU at NRG.  They also have home/home with Arizona, Texas Tech, KU, and Vanderbilt on the map for the next several years, and they're still filling out the future schedule.

I know that it sounds and looks like I'm advocating for Houston, and maybe I am, but I'm more wanting to debunk the thought that they're worthless.  I've done a lot of digging on them, and there really is a lot to like.  If we're going for schools with potential to develop, they check off a ton of boxes, and the fact that they have history with the Texas schools means we're not starting cold, like Utah and Colorado in the Pac-12, or Mizzou in the SEC.  They can kind of walk in and start rekindling some old rivalries.

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« Reply #26903 on: December 04, 2015, 10:14:11 AM »
maybe Houston has potential. It doesn't matter.  Big 12 shouldn't be a school development training program.  They (and Cincy, Memphis, etc...but never BYU) should be on their own until they can pay their way in.  No other conference is going to steal them from us so what's the rush.

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« Reply #26904 on: December 04, 2015, 10:16:31 AM »
If our only options are shitty schools, then we shouldn't expand. 


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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #26905 on: December 04, 2015, 10:21:05 AM »
If our only options are shitty schools, then we shouldn't expand.
This.  All these schools being discussed are shitty.  If they can figure out how to make themselves not shitty without our money and name, then we can talk.

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« Reply #26906 on: December 04, 2015, 10:22:05 AM »
maybe Houston has potential. It doesn't matter.  Big 12 shouldn't be a school development training program.  They (and Cincy, Memphis, etc...but never BYU) should be on their own until they can pay their way in.  No other conference is going to steal them from us so what's the rush.

2 things...

1) If you want a bigger contract in 2025, when ours is up, you need to get them into the conference and develop them so that a couple of years before the contract is up for renewal, they're playing at a Big 12 level.  You need to generate fan interest, they need to be bowl-level, etc.  If you invite them now, the earliest they'll be here is 2017.  That gives us eight academic years before the contract gets here.  At least 3-5 of those first years, they'll have a partial share, so they won't get full Big 12 monetary allocations while they "pay their way in".

If they're going to be competitive, you need to ensure that they're able to keep paying good coaches, updating and maintaining the facilities they're upgrading, have heavy recruiting budgets, etc.  The sooner they get access to a full share, the better.

2) Expansion triggers a look-in provision in our TV contract after the Big Ten resets the market in 2016.  We're expecting record payouts at that time.  It may cause a bump in our revenue.  Also, it would almost certainly extend the GOR out past the ACC's in 2025-2026, which means if any other conferences (i.e. Big Ten, SEC) are hungry, the slowest gazelle is the ACC.

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« Reply #26907 on: December 04, 2015, 10:22:51 AM »
I think it is pretty obvious that Boren wants a Big 12 network, which explains why Houston and Cincy are the targets.  Conference networks are going to become obsolete eventually, but if we can make some bucks before then I say "whatever, let's do it."  OU must be appeased, for conference stability.  In any event, I think 12 is much better than 10.  Would love to go back to divisions, which is good for K-State and much more entertaining.

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« Reply #26908 on: December 04, 2015, 10:23:54 AM »
If our only options are shitty schools, then we shouldn't expand.

agreed.

here's a list of Houston's Bowl Games in the last 30 years

Aloha
Liberty
Hawaii
Fort Worth
Liberty
Texas
Armed Forces
Armed Forces
Ticket City
Compass
Armed Forces

lol

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #26909 on: December 04, 2015, 10:25:51 AM »
I think it is pretty obvious that Boren wants a Big 12 network, which explains why Houston and Cincy are the targets.  Conference networks are going to become obsolete eventually, but if we can make some bucks before then I say "whatever, let's do it."  OU must be appeased, for conference stability.  In any event, I think 12 is much better than 10.  Would love to go back to divisions, which is good for K-State and much more entertaining.

Conference networks will be obsolete in how we look at them today, but that doesn't mean bundled content distributed in other ways won't generate money in the future.

Throwing our rights in with OU and the rest of the conference is a good thing for us.  If OU wants it, and it seems like they do, we shouldn't oppose it.  We should be asking where we sign.

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« Reply #26910 on: December 04, 2015, 10:29:29 AM »
If our only options are shitty schools, then we shouldn't expand.

agreed.

here's a list of Houston's Bowl Games in the last 30 years

Aloha
Liberty
Hawaii
Fort Worth
Liberty
Texas
Armed Forces
Armed Forces
Ticket City
Compass
Armed Forces

lol

That's what happens when your conference dissolves and you find yourself in C-USA after all of the pieces are put back together.

They were actually one of the stronger SWC programs in football and men's basketball before it fell apart.

It took TCU 15 years to get back to a P5 conference, and they got there through sheer luck in the fact that Gary Patterson was really, really good, and he decided to stay there, and the Big 12 fell apart.

Houston just didn't have that opportunity or luck. 

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« Reply #26911 on: December 04, 2015, 10:31:42 AM »
i can't believe we didn't snag Cincinnati and Louisville at some point. man, the roadies

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« Reply #26912 on: December 04, 2015, 10:34:34 AM »
i can't believe we didn't snag Cincinnati and Louisville at some point. man, the roadies
Yeah and that's my territory too.  :frown:

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« Reply #26913 on: December 04, 2015, 10:35:25 AM »
If our only options are shitty schools, then we shouldn't expand.

agreed.

here's a list of Houston's Bowl Games in the last 30 years

Aloha
Liberty
Hawaii
Fort Worth
Liberty
Texas
Armed Forces
Armed Forces
Ticket City
Compass
Armed Forces

lol

That's what happens when your conference dissolves and you find yourself in C-USA after all of the pieces are put back together.

They were actually one of the stronger SWC programs in football and men's basketball before it fell apart.

It took TCU 15 years to get back to a P5 conference, and they got there through sheer luck in the fact that Gary Patterson was really, really good, and he decided to stay there, and the Big 12 fell apart.

Houston just didn't have that opportunity or luck.
Yeah, those bowl games are strictly because of the conference they're in. We'd have the same resume if we were in the Mountain West.

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« Reply #26914 on: December 04, 2015, 10:36:16 AM »
Ya we thought Louisville was gross.  And it is kinda gross.  Like the kinda girl that wears short frayed jean shorts and cowboy boots and and ties up her shirt in a knot revealing her belly button ring and tramp stamp.  So like hot and gross. 

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« Reply #26915 on: December 04, 2015, 10:36:28 AM »
i can't believe we didn't snag Cincinnati and Louisville at some point. man, the roadies
I can't speak to Cincinnati but Luh'ville is Wichita with a PnL

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« Reply #26916 on: December 04, 2015, 10:37:07 AM »
Ya we thought Louisville was gross.  And it is kinda gross.  Like the kinda girl that wears short frayed jean shorts and cowboy boots and and ties up her shirt in a knot revealing her belly button ring and tramp stamp.  So like hot and gross.
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« Reply #26917 on: December 04, 2015, 10:41:19 AM »
i can't believe we didn't snag Cincinnati and Louisville at some point. man, the roadies
I can't speak to Cincinnati but Luh'ville is Wichita with a PnL

well A) no it's not, there's well over 1 million in the metro, and B) i meant the actual roadies, driving through kentucky in the fall  :love:

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« Reply #26918 on: December 04, 2015, 10:44:45 AM »
Nothing gets me fired up more than thinking about the mighty Houston Bobcats coming into BSFS once every 4 years!
How about every other?

I can see OU and Texas getting OSU, BU, TT and TCU on board by doing a North/South split.  So get ready for a steady diet of Cougs, Bearcats, & Moutaineers  :Yuck:.  Silver-lining- if OU and UT are on our same rotation we can have a shot at what Iowa's doing every 2 years!


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« Reply #26919 on: December 04, 2015, 10:47:18 AM »
Taking these crap schools is akin to marrying a girl you don't find attractive or particularly interesting just because she's there and you'll save on some taxes. Don't worry about the future kids, child support,  and alimony you'll pay for in the future.
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« Reply #26920 on: December 04, 2015, 10:49:48 AM »
Taking these crap schools is akin to marrying a girl you don't find attractive or particularly interesting just because she's there and you'll save on some taxes. Don't worry about the future kids, child support,  and alimony you'll pay for in the future.
YES and I will add a conference network is the equivalent of $50k in insurance payments from a car accident she has coming over the next 5 years.

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« Reply #26921 on: December 04, 2015, 11:23:57 AM »
It's like Ohio State is in the big 10 and Cincinnati is in the BXII.  A&M steps up to the SEC and we reach down to get Houston. 

Adding these loser nobodies speaks volumes of where we stand in relation to the other conferences. 

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« Reply #26922 on: December 04, 2015, 11:28:21 AM »
It's like Ohio State is in the big 10 and Cincinnati is in the BXII.  A&M steps up to the SEC and we reach down to get Houston. 

Adding these loser nobodies speaks volumes of where we stand in relation to the other conferences.

yeah, but that endowment!

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #26923 on: December 04, 2015, 11:29:18 AM »
I just don't want a championship game.

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« Reply #26924 on: December 04, 2015, 11:30:38 AM »
everybody wants a championship game.