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« Reply #34550 on: October 30, 2022, 04:01:26 PM »
LOL, just saw a stat that this means that the Big 12 will have done two new TV deals before the ACC gets to go to market again, with their absurd contract length.

We are the ACC, stable but poor!

I’m thinking it stabilizes us long enough that we should be able to complete all the facility upgrades needed in the next 10 years, which is huge.

Who the hell knows what the college landscape will look like around 2030, but we should be in a damn good place.

Big 2 will have left us in the dust by then but at least we will be the first place of the losers.
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« Reply #34551 on: October 30, 2022, 05:00:47 PM »
All of the schools in the Big 2 field a lot of sports that are bottomless money pits, so I don't think we will be as far behind in football and basketball as it seems.

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« Reply #34552 on: October 30, 2022, 06:19:56 PM »
The total annual distributions will surpass $50 million per school. 

At some point the TV executives are going to tell the Big 2 that expansion doesn’t bring anything but dilution of the brand and they’re not going to pay anymore money.  There’s a couple of gems left and that it’ll be it IMO.

If certain powers that be or will be don’t put the kibosh on college athletics and it’s over the top corporatism in the next 10 years. Then they’ll still be at least 4 power conferences in 2035.   

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« Reply #34553 on: October 30, 2022, 06:35:41 PM »
All of the schools in the Big 2 field a lot of sports that are bottomless money pits, so I don't think we will be as far behind in football and basketball as it seems.

I agree. It's the non-revenue sports in the PAC and a number Big 12 schools that are going to take a step back.

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« Reply #34554 on: October 30, 2022, 07:19:51 PM »
All of the schools in the Big 2 field a lot of sports that are bottomless money pits, so I don't think we will be as far behind in football and basketball as it seems.

I agree. It's the non-revenue sports in the PAC and a number Big 12 schools that are going to take a step back.

Kstate should really have a wrestling program but I understand why we dont, funnel all that money into the sports that make money and keep the rest at the bare minimum. Would love for some super rich booster to basically fund it out of pocket tho.

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« Reply #34555 on: October 30, 2022, 07:38:11 PM »
i hope that everyone celebrating this deal realizes that it’s coming out of their wallets


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« Reply #34556 on: October 30, 2022, 07:38:16 PM »
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« Reply #34557 on: October 30, 2022, 08:20:40 PM »
Hadn't thought about this angle before. Wow! Pretty nuts!

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« Reply #34558 on: October 30, 2022, 08:30:17 PM »

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« Reply #34559 on: October 30, 2022, 09:00:50 PM »
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« Reply #34560 on: October 30, 2022, 10:13:00 PM »
facility upgrades will never be complete

Meh, I was referring to completing the current facilities master plan, but I should've specified that. We'll be in a good place if/when it's complete and ready to circle back to other facility upgrades.


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« Reply #34561 on: October 30, 2022, 10:23:38 PM »
Funny phrasing.
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This extension will mark the end of what's known as third-tier rights for the Big 12, in which schools controlled certain game inventory. Instead, those third-tier rights will be distributed to ESPN, which means the schools no longer have to sell them.

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« Reply #34562 on: October 30, 2022, 10:26:57 PM »
Not dying is good, but I think this will be bad for the things I selfishly care about.

- dates and times being locked in far in advance

- every game being on tv channels that are part of most cable packages and that all bars have

- KSU and uw in the same conference

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« Reply #34563 on: October 30, 2022, 11:21:26 PM »
The phrasing is fine but third tier rights of the schools other than UT and OU have already been gone, that came with what's the defacto Big 12 Network, Big 12 Now on ESPN+. Even with OU, the only differentiator they had was they worked out a deal to have one PPV football game a year, otherwise they've been schlubbing with us too. crap, they're on ESPN+ this week.

Are there bars in Seattle that don't get ESPNU? That's on the basic tier for Dish Network and DirecTV. With DirecTV's NFL deal, I'm shocked that any bar with TVs would bother with anything else.

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« Reply #34564 on: October 30, 2022, 11:30:48 PM »
I meant the las part, HAVE to sell them instead of CAN sell them.



Yes, every bar and home gets espnu. That would be great if that was the floor for our games.


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« Reply #34565 on: October 30, 2022, 11:47:36 PM »
What kind of shitty sports bar doesn't have ESPNU?


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« Reply #34566 on: October 30, 2022, 11:54:10 PM »
Espnu is a tv channel that almost every bar and most homes have. Espn+ is not. I have no idea why you’re talking about espnu.

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« Reply #34567 on: October 31, 2022, 01:20:58 AM »
We'll still have games on ESPN+, I imagine all conferences will have some streaming games. Fox doesn't have a streaming platform but the Big 10 are actively looking for a streaming partner.

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« Reply #34568 on: October 31, 2022, 07:58:36 AM »
There is commercial ESPN plus subscriptions.  Johnny’s (for example) in OP has it or they’re just breaking the rules. But judging by the way they dialed it up on a bunch of TV’s from an IPad or similar it appears they have the commercial subscription.

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« Reply #34569 on: October 31, 2022, 08:55:30 AM »
I'm glad we got money, but at some point soon the 11am game is going to run into the 6pm game.

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« Reply #34570 on: October 31, 2022, 09:07:44 AM »
All of the schools in the Big 2 field a lot of sports that are bottomless money pits, so I don't think we will be as far behind in football and basketball as it seems.

This is a good point that I hadn’t considered. Aren’t we at the minimum required for Title 9 basically?  Won’t get us to where the Big 2 are but the gap may not be as wide as I thought.
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« Reply #34571 on: October 31, 2022, 09:37:25 AM »
All of the schools in the Big 2 field a lot of sports that are bottomless money pits, so I don't think we will be as far behind in football and basketball as it seems.

This is a good point that I hadn’t considered. Aren’t we at the minimum required for Title 9 basically?  Won’t get us to where the Big 2 are but the gap may not be as wide as I thought.

We are at the minimum for NCAA Div 1 qualification. Title 9 doesn't look at the number of teams, it looks at the number of individual opportunities for an athlete.

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« Reply #34572 on: October 31, 2022, 09:38:20 AM »
Nice, hope we stay there.
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« Reply #34573 on: October 31, 2022, 10:18:54 AM »
I’m curious how much ABC/ESPN will use the 2:30 ABC slot for SEC or if most SEC big games get pushed to prime time.  That will have a big impact on our kick times and how we get scheduled around the SEC with ABC/ESPN.
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« Reply #34574 on: October 31, 2022, 10:40:22 AM »
All of the schools in the Big 2 field a lot of sports that are bottomless money pits, so I don't think we will be as far behind in football and basketball as it seems.

This is a good point that I hadn’t considered. Aren’t we at the minimum required for Title 9 basically?  Won’t get us to where the Big 2 are but the gap may not be as wide as I thought.

Calling the non revenue sports bottomless money pits is not at all accurate, particularly in the context of having more of them puts your athletic department at a disadvantage. These sports generally have much lower scholarship thresholds than you would think, they share training facilities, and the coaches generally make salaries in the 5 figures. Field hockey players aren't drawing anything close to a full scholarship. crap most track and cross country athletes aren't pulling close to full athletic scholarships.