Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[CHONGS]

I don't want to add anyone, but if we did add two puds I would divide the Big 12 as follows:

Witty Division Name A:
Pud
Baylor
West Virginia
Oklahoma State
Kansas State
Texas

Witty Division Name B:
Pud State
Iowa State
Texas Tech
Oklahoma
Kansas
TCU

9 conference games: 5 division games + 1 out-of-division rival + rotating 3 out-of-division games.

out-of-division rivals:
Texas - Oklahoma
Oklahoma State - Texas Tech
Bayor - TCU
Iowa State - West Virginia
Kansas - Kansas State
Pud - Pud State

Of course staying with ten would be the best.

[Yard Dog]

How bad would it really be if we added Boise and BYU?

BIGXII North:

Iowa State
Kansas
Boise State
Kansas State
BYU
West Virginia

BIGXII South:
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU

We'd be in the championship game EVERY YEAR!! haha

Yeah let's not play Texas every year but make trips to Boise every other year. :toilet:

Everyone is going to want access to Texas.  You can make that happen by creating scheduling "pods" with 2 Texas teams and one Oklahoma team.

Something like Oklahoma/TCU/Baylor and OSU/Texas/Tech.  You can also stack the North to do something similar to decrease distance.

KSU/ISU/WVU and KU/Memphis/Cincy (since we won't go west).

Every year, you'd get a Texas team at home, and you'd get a Texas team away.  We'd just use the old scheduling where you'd just rotate between the teams in the South and have a home/away with them every four years. 

Your 2/1 away would always be balanced by a 3/2 divisional schedule at home.  So, for every year you get three games at home in your division, you go 1 home/2 away in the South.

Honestly, it's not that bad.

I'd also, personally, like to see a scheduling arrangement where we supply BYU with six games every year to help boost the non-con.  But that's just me.

I like it. I don't see how this hurts the conference?

[michigancat]

How bad would it really be if we added Boise and BYU?

BIGXII North:

Iowa State
Kansas
Boise State
Kansas State
BYU
West Virginia

BIGXII South:
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU

We'd be in the championship game EVERY YEAR!! haha

Yeah let's not play Texas every year but make trips to Boise every other year. :toilet:

Everyone is going to want access to Texas.  You can make that happen by creating scheduling "pods" with 2 Texas teams and one Oklahoma team.

Something like Oklahoma/TCU/Baylor and OSU/Texas/Tech.  You can also stack the North to do something similar to decrease distance.

KSU/ISU/WVU and KU/Memphis/Cincy (since we won't go west).

Every year, you'd get a Texas team at home, and you'd get a Texas team away.  We'd just use the old scheduling where you'd just rotate between the teams in the South and have a home/away with them every four years. 

Your 2/1 away would always be balanced by a 3/2 divisional schedule at home.  So, for every year you get three games at home in your division, you go 1 home/2 away in the South.

Honestly, it's not that bad.

I'd also, personally, like to see a scheduling arrangement where we supply BYU with six games every year to help boost the non-con.  But that's just me.

I like it. I don't see how this hurts the conference?

Less money per school and it would suck

[EMAWzified]

The schools left to pick from are the suck.

[pissclams]

we're not having this discussion had baylor played anyone with a pulse in the non-con
regardless, you don't make realignment decisions based upon those idiots

[KITNfury]

If we can't steal two teams from other power conferences, then stay at ten. Any other suggestion sucks and is stupid and stinky.

[CHONGS]

we're not having this discussion had baylor played anyone with a pulse in the non-con
regardless, you don't make realignment decisions based upon those idiots

I disagree.  I mean, yes, Baylor played a crap noncon, but I don't think it would have mattered in the end.  Ohio State was getting in.  If Miss State had not lost to Ole Miss they were going to be in (I really think) and they had a pretty crap noncon as well.

[Panjandrum]

Less money per school and it would suck

There have been articles written that say that new members would get the same cut as we do.  Dodd wrote something about that two years ago.

If we add members, we could add a bowl game, a CCG where we'd probably get a cut of the gate, TV money, etc.  I believe there were rumors of Jerry Jones cutting us a nice, big check every year to get a CCG in the Jerry Dome.

Cincy and Memphis, assuming that's who we'd take, would probably help us, slightly, on basketball money, and they'd probably earn some money back in NCAA tournament credits.

Does that equal $50 million annually?  Probably not.  It's hard to say.  Fox will probably have to throw some charity at us, but that may be necessary if they want the product they've invested in to remain relevant.

There have been rumors that the LHN may spin off into a Big 12 Network.  I don't know.  Maybe there's something there.

[Skipper44]

we're not having this discussion had baylor played anyone with a pulse in the non-con
regardless, you don't make realignment decisions based upon those idiots

Baylor needed to beat a good to great team for them to jump tOSU.  Just swapping in a win over a mediocre P5 school (VaTech ) would not do enough to force the committee's hand

[Cartierfor3]

I'd rather add a team from Mexico than Boise State.

[michigancat]

Less money per school and it would suck

There have been articles written that say that new members would get the same cut as we do.  Dodd wrote something about that two years ago.

If we add members, we could add a bowl game, a CCG where we'd probably get a cut of the gate, TV money, etc.  I believe there were rumors of Jerry Jones cutting us a nice, big check every year to get a CCG in the Jerry Dome.

Cincy and Memphis, assuming that's who we'd take, would probably help us, slightly, on basketball money, and they'd probably earn some money back in NCAA tournament credits.

Does that equal $50 million annually?  Probably not.  It's hard to say.  Fox will probably have to throw some charity at us, but that may be necessary if they want the product they've invested in to remain relevant.

There have been rumors that the LHN may spin off into a Big 12 Network.  I don't know.  Maybe there's something there.

yeah fox is in the charity business

[Panjandrum]

yeah fox is in the charity business

Charity was a hyperbolic term, but they've dumped a ton of money into the Big 12, and if they view it as more of a risk to their investment if we don't expand vs. expanding, then they may overpay a little bit to help prevent a potential devaluation as we get deeper into the current deal.

[POWL]

i'd run over a domestic animal to trade ku for Nebraska..........I miss them   

[Buttons]

How bad would it really be if we added Boise and BYU?

BIGXII North:

Iowa State
Kansas
Boise State
Kansas State
BYU
West Virginia

BIGXII South:
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU

We'd be in the championship game EVERY YEAR!! haha

Yeah let's not play Texas every year but make trips to Boise every other year. :toilet:

Everyone is going to want access to Texas.  You can make that happen by creating scheduling "pods" with 2 Texas teams and one Oklahoma team.

Something like Oklahoma/TCU/Baylor and OSU/Texas/Tech.  You can also stack the North to do something similar to decrease distance.

KSU/ISU/WVU and KU/Memphis/Cincy (since we won't go west).

Every year, you'd get a Texas team at home, and you'd get a Texas team away.  We'd just use the old scheduling where you'd just rotate between the teams in the South and have a home/away with them every four years. 

Your 2/1 away would always be balanced by a 3/2 divisional schedule at home.  So, for every year you get three games at home in your division, you go 1 home/2 away in the South.

Honestly, it's not that bad.

I'd also, personally, like to see a scheduling arrangement where we supply BYU with six games every year to help boost the non-con.  But that's just me.

I like it. I don't see how this hurts the conference?

Just no.  Anyone seriously thinking that crap is a good idea needs memory pills.  The only reason the BigXII still exists is that it turned out dividing our big ass pile of TV money by 10 instead of 12 resulted in a big enough number for UT and OU to stay.  You can't just throw two rando puds into the mix and expect that math to work out the same.  Any added teams have to raise the profile of the conference enough that a new TV contract would increase by an amount that the shares remain the same or increase.

In the unlikely event that the BigXII ever adds members it will be programs with huge brands that might want to wander over to a conference which unabashedly allows its big names to do whatever the hell they want.  The NDs and FSUs of the world are welcome, puds can gtfo.

Besides, TCU and Baylor didn't get stiff armed because the BigXII has 10 members.  They got mushed a little because the situation was a mess leaving no clear choice between the two of them and mainly because Ohio State is a deserving-ish team with a much bigger name.  This talk about the lack of a championship game is just a narrative being fit to the situation.  Programs like us, TCU, and Baylor have access to the playoffs but we don't have room for error like loosing to a dogshit WVU team or blowing a 21 point 4th quarter lead.

We should change the league rules to declare a clear champion, but there's no way in hell the powers that be are going to let their income be diluted by adding some directional schools in order to get to 12.  Texas and OU both know that if it was one of them instead of TCU / Baylor they get the invite.

[Cartierfor3]

Nailed it. Right on the Button.

[TheHamburglar]

With the way Bowlsby reacted, I'm guessing Luck came out of those meetings saying they continually said "championship game" and "13th game".  I doubt he'd say we got punished for no champ game unless Luck told him we did.

I'd pay a lot of money to hear what Luck is telling the other ADs in NYC today.

[MadCat]

Let's just have a 13 game schedule. 

[Pete]

With the way Bowlsby reacted, I'm guessing Luck came out of those meetings saying they continually said "championship game" and "13th game".  I doubt he'd say we got punished for no champ game unless Luck told him we did.

I'd pay a lot of money to hear what Luck is telling the other ADs in NYC today.

Would like to know that too

[Skipper44]

With the way Bowlsby reacted, I'm guessing Luck came out of those meetings saying they continually said "championship game" and "13th game".  I doubt he'd say we got punished for no champ game unless Luck told him we did.

I'd pay a lot of money to hear what Luck is telling the other ADs in NYC today.

I am afraid it is just a convenient excuse for this season but I could see positives for OU and UT if we go to 12 - 4 non cons, fewer trips north, permanent championship game at Jerry World, etc.

I would want the committee to somehow make it official that a championship games are needed but adding a couple of rummies (I would put Colorado State in the North and Tulane in the south) might be acceptable if the ESPN and/or Fox would pay for it.  They might to preserve the status quo.

[pissclams]

we're not having this discussion had baylor played anyone with a pulse in the non-con
regardless, you don't make realignment decisions based upon those idiots

Baylor needed to beat a good to great team for them to jump tOSU.  Just swapping in a win over a mediocre P5 school (VaTech ) would not do enough to force the committee's hand

agreed, anyone with a pulse = good team

[Panjandrum]

With the way Bowlsby reacted, I'm guessing Luck came out of those meetings saying they continually said "championship game" and "13th game".  I doubt he'd say we got punished for no champ game unless Luck told him we did.

I'd pay a lot of money to hear what Luck is telling the other ADs in NYC today.

I am afraid it is just a convenient excuse for this season but I could see positives for OU and UT if we go to 12 - 4 non cons, fewer trips north, permanent championship game at Jerry World, etc.

I would want the committee to somehow make it official that a championship games are needed but adding a couple of rummies (I would put Colorado State in the North and Tulane in the south) might be acceptable if the ESPN and/or Fox would pay for it.  They might to preserve the status quo.

Within the next two years, we will be the only conference in FBS without a championship game.

[pissclams]

don't add more teams
just do the champy game w/ our 10 teams, top 2 get to play in it

[star seed 7]

If a championship game is required, then there better never be a non-champion picked (03 ou, 11(?)bama)

[Panjandrum]

I should clarify that the Sun Belt isn't expanding.  My bad.

It will be us and the Sun Belt without a CCG within two years.

[Stevesie60]

If we make major changes to the Big 12 because of 1 year of CFB Playoffs then we are idiots.