Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[CyberToothCat]

Man, can't help but continue to think we really royally screwed the pooch by not adding Florida State when we had the chance this summer instead of chasing the ridiculous Notre Dame fantasy.  Still contend 12 with the title game gives US by far the most longterm stability.

Did we really have the chance?  I mean, FSU has zero in common with any Big 12 school from a cultural standpoint, they have no history of playing regular games against anyone from the Big 12, and they are a heck of a long ways away from all of us.  I don't blame them for being frustrated about being a football school in a basketball conference, but I don't think anyone at FSU really thought that joining the Big 12 was the answer.

[steve dave]

had we offered FSU or Clemson they were ours

[bakerman]

Man, can't help but continue to think we really royally screwed the pooch by not adding Florida State when we had the chance this summer instead of chasing the ridiculous Notre Dame fantasy.  Still contend 12 with the title game gives US by far the most longterm stability.

Did we really have the chance? I mean, FSU has zero in common with any Big 12 school from a cultural standpoint, they have no history of playing regular games against anyone from the Big 12, and they are a heck of a long ways away from all of us.  I don't blame them for being frustrated about being a football school in a basketball conference, but I don't think anyone at FSU really thought that joining the Big 12 was the answer.

The Bakery Science program originated at FSU and when the head of it retired in 1959, the industry moved it KSU. We still have a yearly KSU/FSU alumni breakfast at the American Society of Bakers convention in Chicago.

[Rage Against the McKee]

had we offered FSU or Clemson they were ours

If this is true, then we should just go ahead and fire Bowlsby. JFC.

[steve dave]

had we offered FSU or Clemson they were ours

If this is true, then we should just go ahead and fire Bowlsby. JFC.

he, like a lot of dumbasses, got infatuated with the idea that ND was going to join our conference. ridiculous. 

[Panjandrum]

I don't think there's really anything that's going to hold FSU in the ACC if they don't really want to be there.  That buyout isn't going to stand in court.

I think two things will have to happen before they're willing to jump. 

1) They're going to need to get left out of the playoff due to being in the ACC (i.e. get jumped by ND, have low SOS, have two SEC or Big 12 teams blocking them, etc.)

2) The Big 12 is going to need to get screwed out of the playoff by playing 12 games instead of 13.

The odds of number one are decent.  The odds of number two are to be determined.  Probably a lot lower now that the Big Ten is slipping into a perpetual state of awful.

[KITNfury]

had we offered FSU or Clemson they were ours

If this is true, then we should just go ahead and fire Bowlsby. JFC.

he, like a lot of dumbasses, got infatuated with the idea that ND was going to join our conference. ridiculous.

Not me, SD, I was at 0% the whole time.

[wabash909]

We had a narrow window to add Florida State that is now closed, IMO.

They were a down program, they weren't filling their stadium, donations were down, they were falling behind in the facilities race and losing their competivie edge against UofF.  With the shitty ACC tv contract there was a groundswell of discontent that could have been taken advantage of.  That was our moment of opportunity.

Now, they're back on the national stage, likely will win the conference, go to a BCS bowl and very well could end up in the National Title picture. 

Oh well, Texas hitched its wagon to Notre Dame and Bolwsby fell in line.  Eff it.  We had our shot.

[Dugout DickStone]

I just don't understand how deLoss screwed this up?

[Panjandrum]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-more-conference-realignment-consternation-to-come-20121008,0,6682955.story

"There are really 60 to 70 schools in the country that their budgets are going to be at a certain level or above, in Division 1. Those schools are trying to see how they can align themselves. You've seen it happen in the ACC, you've seen it happen in the SEC, you've seen continued question marks around the Big East. But (schools) want to make sure they're going to be part of those discussions of who are those 60 to 70 that are going to command the majority of the revenue rights in the country in college athletics."

[Pete]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-more-conference-realignment-consternation-to-come-20121008,0,6682955.story

"There are really 60 to 70 schools in the country that their budgets are going to be at a certain level or above, in Division 1. Those schools are trying to see how they can align themselves. You've seen it happen in the ACC, you've seen it happen in the SEC, you've seen continued question marks around the Big East. But (schools) want to make sure they're going to be part of those discussions of who are those 60 to 70 that are going to command the majority of the revenue rights in the country in college athletics."

I think you can take Alden's comments with a grain of cover your ass salt.

He'd look like a rough ridin' dumbass if he came out and said the thought it was all finalized...he has to continue to create the impression that he helped save Mizzou from ongoing uncertainty. 

The ONLY possible thing he could be hinting at is FSU continuing to be pissed off that they could be making more in the Big 12.  I see NO other program who has a rational argument for being better off in a different conference (save for those pukes stuck in the Big East that no one else wants).

[Panjandrum]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-more-conference-realignment-consternation-to-come-20121008,0,6682955.story

"There are really 60 to 70 schools in the country that their budgets are going to be at a certain level or above, in Division 1. Those schools are trying to see how they can align themselves. You've seen it happen in the ACC, you've seen it happen in the SEC, you've seen continued question marks around the Big East. But (schools) want to make sure they're going to be part of those discussions of who are those 60 to 70 that are going to command the majority of the revenue rights in the country in college athletics."

I think you can take Alden's comments with a grain of cover your ass salt.

He'd look like a rough ridin' dumbass if he came out and said the thought it was all finalized...he has to continue to create the impression that he helped save Mizzou from ongoing uncertainty. 

The ONLY possible thing he could be hinting at is FSU continuing to be pissed off that they could be making more in the Big 12.  I see NO other program who has a rational argument for being better off in a different conference (save for those pukes stuck in the Big East that no one else wants).

I think he's hinting at Big 12 expansion and the dominoes from that.

It's just unlikely that a conference sits at 10 members in this environment for long, especially when the ACC is struggling as badly as they are.

I personally feel like the FSU narrative is going to go from money to rationalizing their failures on the fact that they're playing in a crappy ACC.  Both will be rectified by stepping up their game and going to the Big 12.

Honestly, in the FSU narrative, WVU doing well is a good thing.  It provides an example for other schools like FSU and Clemson that you can come in here and be considered a national title contender from day one because of the strength of the conference.

After FSU, we'll need a 12th, and the ACC will need a 14th.  My preference would be for us to take two from the ACC and then they just stand pat and leave the SEC at an unmanageable 14.

["storm"nut]

IMO, the 4 team playoff lends it self to have 4 dominate conferences (Maybe even just 3 with a "wild card" 4th) This tends to lead to a Big 4 alignment with other teams off to only bowl games for the off season. All the big 4 has to say is you wanted a playoff, where here it is. Big east is on the outside of this and the ACC/Big 12 will have to fight to get the last 4 spot.

[Rage Against the McKee]

IMO, the 4 team playoff lends it self to have 4 dominate conferences (Maybe even just 3 with a "wild card" 4th) This tends to lead to a Big 4 alignment with other teams off to only bowl games for the off season. All the big 4 has to say is you wanted a playoff, where here it is. Big east is on the outside of this and the ACC/Big 12 will have to fight to get the last 4 spot.

Conference affiliation has nothing to do with the 4 team playoff. There are no auto-bids.

["storm"nut]

IMO, the 4 team playoff lends it self to have 4 dominate conferences (Maybe even just 3 with a "wild card" 4th) This tends to lead to a Big 4 alignment with other teams off to only bowl games for the off season. All the big 4 has to say is you wanted a playoff, where here it is. Big east is on the outside of this and the ACC/Big 12 will have to fight to get the last 4 spot.

Conference affiliation has nothing to do with the 4 team playoff. There are no auto-bids.

I said IMO it "Lends" its self to 4 dominate conferences. How ever they pick the 4 for the playoffs (I think it will be a committee), the chances of it coming outside of the power 4 (big 10, Pac 12, SEC, and Big12/ACC/Notre Dame) will be near 0% chance.

[Rage Against the McKee]

IMO, the 4 team playoff lends it self to have 4 dominate conferences (Maybe even just 3 with a "wild card" 4th) This tends to lead to a Big 4 alignment with other teams off to only bowl games for the off season. All the big 4 has to say is you wanted a playoff, where here it is. Big east is on the outside of this and the ACC/Big 12 will have to fight to get the last 4 spot.

Conference affiliation has nothing to do with the 4 team playoff. There are no auto-bids.

I said IMO it "Lends" its self to 4 dominate conferences. How ever they pick the 4 for the playoffs (I think it will be a committee), the chances of it coming outside of the power 4 (big 10, Pac 12, SEC, and Big12/ACC/Notre Dame) will be near 0% chance.

More often than not a conference is going to get 2 bids, though. I also think that the odds of an undefeated Boise State getting into the playoffs would be pretty good most years.

["storm"nut]

IMO, the 4 team playoff lends it self to have 4 dominate conferences (Maybe even just 3 with a "wild card" 4th) This tends to lead to a Big 4 alignment with other teams off to only bowl games for the off season. All the big 4 has to say is you wanted a playoff, where here it is. Big east is on the outside of this and the ACC/Big 12 will have to fight to get the last 4 spot.

Conference affiliation has nothing to do with the 4 team playoff. There are no auto-bids.

I said IMO it "Lends" its self to 4 dominate conferences. How ever they pick the 4 for the playoffs (I think it will be a committee), the chances of it coming outside of the power 4 (big 10, Pac 12, SEC, and Big12/ACC/Notre Dame) will be near 0% chance.

More often than not a conference is going to get 2 bids, though. I also think that the odds of an undefeated Boise State getting into the playoffs would be pretty good most years.

Boise State will not if all they play are the non power 4 conference schools. As far as Conferences getting more than one bid, I feel that is what these new "super" bowls will be for. The SEC/Big 12 bowl, Rose Bowl will serve as a great wait to keep the TV dollars high for the Power 4

[Rage Against the McKee]

IMO, the 4 team playoff lends it self to have 4 dominate conferences (Maybe even just 3 with a "wild card" 4th) This tends to lead to a Big 4 alignment with other teams off to only bowl games for the off season. All the big 4 has to say is you wanted a playoff, where here it is. Big east is on the outside of this and the ACC/Big 12 will have to fight to get the last 4 spot.

Conference affiliation has nothing to do with the 4 team playoff. There are no auto-bids.

I said IMO it "Lends" its self to 4 dominate conferences. How ever they pick the 4 for the playoffs (I think it will be a committee), the chances of it coming outside of the power 4 (big 10, Pac 12, SEC, and Big12/ACC/Notre Dame) will be near 0% chance.

More often than not a conference is going to get 2 bids, though. I also think that the odds of an undefeated Boise State getting into the playoffs would be pretty good most years.

Boise State will not if all they play are the non power 4 conference schools. As far as Conferences getting more than one bid, I feel that is what these new "super" bowls will be for. The SEC/Big 12 bowl, Rose Bowl will serve as a great wait to keep the TV dollars high for the Power 4

This talking point has been played to death. An undefeated Big East team will finish in the top 4 unless there are 3-4 other undefeated teams, which does happen, but not very often. If any Conference USA or Mtn West team went on a run similar to the multiple great seasons by Boise and TCU, eventually their preseason ranking would be high enough to get them in if undefeated.

["storm"nut]

IMO, the 4 team playoff lends it self to have 4 dominate conferences (Maybe even just 3 with a "wild card" 4th) This tends to lead to a Big 4 alignment with other teams off to only bowl games for the off season. All the big 4 has to say is you wanted a playoff, where here it is. Big east is on the outside of this and the ACC/Big 12 will have to fight to get the last 4 spot.

Conference affiliation has nothing to do with the 4 team playoff. There are no auto-bids.

I said IMO it "Lends" its self to 4 dominate conferences. How ever they pick the 4 for the playoffs (I think it will be a committee), the chances of it coming outside of the power 4 (big 10, Pac 12, SEC, and Big12/ACC/Notre Dame) will be near 0% chance.

More often than not a conference is going to get 2 bids, though. I also think that the odds of an undefeated Boise State getting into the playoffs would be pretty good most years.

Boise State will not if all they play are the non power 4 conference schools. As far as Conferences getting more than one bid, I feel that is what these new "super" bowls will be for. The SEC/Big 12 bowl, Rose Bowl will serve as a great wait to keep the TV dollars high for the Power 4

This talking point has been played to death. An undefeated Big East team will finish in the top 4 unless there are 3-4 other undefeated teams, which does happen, but not very often. If any Conference USA or Mtn West team went on a run similar to the multiple great seasons by Boise and TCU, eventually their preseason ranking would be high enough to get them in if undefeated.

Finish top 4, in what. Remember when the 4 team playoff goes into effect, a committee will pick the 4 team for the play off, much like the NCAA tourney committee. They will freeze out the non power 4, no questions.

[Rage Against the McKee]

IMO, the 4 team playoff lends it self to have 4 dominate conferences (Maybe even just 3 with a "wild card" 4th) This tends to lead to a Big 4 alignment with other teams off to only bowl games for the off season. All the big 4 has to say is you wanted a playoff, where here it is. Big east is on the outside of this and the ACC/Big 12 will have to fight to get the last 4 spot.

Conference affiliation has nothing to do with the 4 team playoff. There are no auto-bids.

I said IMO it "Lends" its self to 4 dominate conferences. How ever they pick the 4 for the playoffs (I think it will be a committee), the chances of it coming outside of the power 4 (big 10, Pac 12, SEC, and Big12/ACC/Notre Dame) will be near 0% chance.

More often than not a conference is going to get 2 bids, though. I also think that the odds of an undefeated Boise State getting into the playoffs would be pretty good most years.

Boise State will not if all they play are the non power 4 conference schools. As far as Conferences getting more than one bid, I feel that is what these new "super" bowls will be for. The SEC/Big 12 bowl, Rose Bowl will serve as a great wait to keep the TV dollars high for the Power 4

This talking point has been played to death. An undefeated Big East team will finish in the top 4 unless there are 3-4 other undefeated teams, which does happen, but not very often. If any Conference USA or Mtn West team went on a run similar to the multiple great seasons by Boise and TCU, eventually their preseason ranking would be high enough to get them in if undefeated.

Finish top 4, in what. Remember when the 4 team playoff goes into effect, a committee will pick the 4 team for the play off, much like the NCAA tourney committee. They will freeze out the non power 4, no questions.

Yep, no doubt the good mid-majors will not get in, just like in the NCAA tourny.

["storm"nut]

IMO, the 4 team playoff lends it self to have 4 dominate conferences (Maybe even just 3 with a "wild card" 4th) This tends to lead to a Big 4 alignment with other teams off to only bowl games for the off season. All the big 4 has to say is you wanted a playoff, where here it is. Big east is on the outside of this and the ACC/Big 12 will have to fight to get the last 4 spot.

Conference affiliation has nothing to do with the 4 team playoff. There are no auto-bids.

I said IMO it "Lends" its self to 4 dominate conferences. How ever they pick the 4 for the playoffs (I think it will be a committee), the chances of it coming outside of the power 4 (big 10, Pac 12, SEC, and Big12/ACC/Notre Dame) will be near 0% chance.

More often than not a conference is going to get 2 bids, though. I also think that the odds of an undefeated Boise State getting into the playoffs would be pretty good most years.

Boise State will not if all they play are the non power 4 conference schools. As far as Conferences getting more than one bid, I feel that is what these new "super" bowls will be for. The SEC/Big 12 bowl, Rose Bowl will serve as a great wait to keep the TV dollars high for the Power 4

This talking point has been played to death. An undefeated Big East team will finish in the top 4 unless there are 3-4 other undefeated teams, which does happen, but not very often. If any Conference USA or Mtn West team went on a run similar to the multiple great seasons by Boise and TCU, eventually their preseason ranking would be high enough to get them in if undefeated.

Finish top 4, in what. Remember when the 4 team playoff goes into effect, a committee will pick the 4 team for the play off, much like the NCAA tourney committee. They will freeze out the non power 4, no questions.

Yep, no doubt the good mid-majors will not get in, just like in the NCAA tourny.

["storm"nut]

IMO, the 4 team playoff lends it self to have 4 dominate conferences (Maybe even just 3 with a "wild card" 4th) This tends to lead to a Big 4 alignment with other teams off to only bowl games for the off season. All the big 4 has to say is you wanted a playoff, where here it is. Big east is on the outside of this and the ACC/Big 12 will have to fight to get the last 4 spot.

Conference affiliation has nothing to do with the 4 team playoff. There are no auto-bids.

I said IMO it "Lends" its self to 4 dominate conferences. How ever they pick the 4 for the playoffs (I think it will be a committee), the chances of it coming outside of the power 4 (big 10, Pac 12, SEC, and Big12/ACC/Notre Dame) will be near 0% chance.

More often than not a conference is going to get 2 bids, though. I also think that the odds of an undefeated Boise State getting into the playoffs would be pretty good most years.

Boise State will not if all they play are the non power 4 conference schools. As far as Conferences getting more than one bid, I feel that is what these new "super" bowls will be for. The SEC/Big 12 bowl, Rose Bowl will serve as a great wait to keep the TV dollars high for the Power 4

This talking point has been played to death. An undefeated Big East team will finish in the top 4 unless there are 3-4 other undefeated teams, which does happen, but not very often. If any Conference USA or Mtn West team went on a run similar to the multiple great seasons by Boise and TCU, eventually their preseason ranking would be high enough to get them in if undefeated.

Finish top 4, in what. Remember when the 4 team playoff goes into effect, a committee will pick the 4 team for the play off, much like the NCAA tourney committee. They will freeze out the non power 4, no questions.

Yep, no doubt the good mid-majors will not get in, just like in the NCAA tourny.

[MakeItRain]

pro tip, the playoff won't stay at 4 teams for very long

[Rage Against the McKee]

pro tip, the playoff won't stay at 4 teams for very long

Yeah, as much as the tards want only 4 conferences to matter, I just don't see it happening.

[Panjandrum]

pro tip, the playoff won't stay at 4 teams for very long

Yeah, as much as the tards want only 4 conferences to matter, I just don't see it happening.

There's too much money in expanding it not to do it.