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« Reply #18075 on: February 22, 2012, 11:17:11 AM »
Greg Shaheen is growing on me as my favorite commissioner candidate.  Looks like his job is now being shopped by the NCAA for one reason or another.  Regardless, it looks like he may be primed for a career move.

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The future of Greg Shaheen, the architect of the NCAA’s 14-year, $11 billion media deal with Turner Sports and CBS, has come under question in recent weeks as the NCAA began advertising his job position.

Shaheen, who oversees the NCAA men’s basketball tournament and the other 88 NCAA championships, still carries the interim tag before his title — executive vice president of championships and alliances. Parker Executive Search, an Atlanta-based search firm that helped the NCAA hire President Mark Emmert in 2010, has been retained again to lead the search for an executive vice president of championships and alliances.

Like other NCAA execs, Greg Shaheen’s title has carried an interim tag since Mark Emmert arrived. Industry sources indicate that Shaheen is one of those interviewing to keep his own job. But seeing the job advertised publicly has led some industry insiders to wonder what’s next for Shaheen, who has been described by NBA Deputy Commissioner Adam Silver as “the least-known, most powerful person in basketball.”

The NCAA, however, is calling this business as usual as Emmert, who took over as president in October 2010, completes his senior staff and remakes the NCAA’s front office.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #18076 on: February 22, 2012, 11:39:51 AM »
Also, I don't see the Big 12 looking to add any new members until we get a permanent conference commissioner in place.

I'm sure, at that point, he'll get acclimated, talk with the expansion committee, talk with the TV partners, and then define whether or not we stay in place, add obvious candidates (Louisville, BYU), or go for a home run with some ACC schools.

Regardless, a guy like Shaheen would probably wait a little longer because he'd probably have some pretty forward thinking ideas he'd have to sell to the conference before making official invites.  I highly doubt we go to 12 or more teams until 2014 or 2015.

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« Reply #18077 on: February 22, 2012, 12:31:19 PM »
Also, I don't see the Big 12 looking to add any new members until we get a permanent conference commissioner in place.

I'm sure, at that point, he'll get acclimated, talk with the expansion committee, talk with the TV partners, and then define whether or not we stay in place, add obvious candidates (Louisville, BYU), or go for a home run with some ACC schools.

Regardless, a guy like Shaheen would probably wait a little longer because he'd probably have some pretty forward thinking ideas he'd have to sell to the conference before making official invites.  I highly doubt we go to 12 or more teams until 2014 or 2015.

Invites for teams 11 and 12 will go out way before then, probably right after they know what the new bcs structure will be.....they may not play until 2014 but it will be done way before then

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« Reply #18078 on: February 22, 2012, 12:49:05 PM »
Also, I don't see the Big 12 looking to add any new members until we get a permanent conference commissioner in place.

I'm sure, at that point, he'll get acclimated, talk with the expansion committee, talk with the TV partners, and then define whether or not we stay in place, add obvious candidates (Louisville, BYU), or go for a home run with some ACC schools.

Regardless, a guy like Shaheen would probably wait a little longer because he'd probably have some pretty forward thinking ideas he'd have to sell to the conference before making official invites.  I highly doubt we go to 12 or more teams until 2014 or 2015.

Invites for teams 11 and 12 will go out way before then, probably right after they know what the new bcs structure will be.....they may not play until 2014 but it will be done way before then

I agree w/ this timing.  Doesn't our first tier rights come up for negotiation in two years?  Gotta think that we want this nailed down prior to that as well as once the BCS shuffle is done.  I would imagine that there are, or will be, offers made that are contingent upon BCS structure landing spot.

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« Reply #18079 on: February 22, 2012, 02:13:02 PM »
Also, I don't see the Big 12 looking to add any new members until we get a permanent conference commissioner in place.

I'm sure, at that point, he'll get acclimated, talk with the expansion committee, talk with the TV partners, and then define whether or not we stay in place, add obvious candidates (Louisville, BYU), or go for a home run with some ACC schools.

Regardless, a guy like Shaheen would probably wait a little longer because he'd probably have some pretty forward thinking ideas he'd have to sell to the conference before making official invites.  I highly doubt we go to 12 or more teams until 2014 or 2015.

Invites for teams 11 and 12 will go out way before then, probably right after they know what the new bcs structure will be.....they may not play until 2014 but it will be done way before then

I agree w/ this timing.  Doesn't our first tier rights come up for negotiation in two years?  Gotta think that we want this nailed down prior to that as well as once the BCS shuffle is done.  I would imagine that there are, or will be, offers made that are contingent upon BCS structure landing spot.
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« Reply #18080 on: February 22, 2012, 02:51:08 PM »
Also, I don't see the Big 12 looking to add any new members until we get a permanent conference commissioner in place.

I'm sure, at that point, he'll get acclimated, talk with the expansion committee, talk with the TV partners, and then define whether or not we stay in place, add obvious candidates (Louisville, BYU), or go for a home run with some ACC schools.

Regardless, a guy like Shaheen would probably wait a little longer because he'd probably have some pretty forward thinking ideas he'd have to sell to the conference before making official invites.  I highly doubt we go to 12 or more teams until 2014 or 2015.

Invites for teams 11 and 12 will go out way before then, probably right after they know what the new bcs structure will be.....they may not play until 2014 but it will be done way before then

I agree w/ this timing.  Doesn't our first tier rights come up for negotiation in two years?  Gotta think that we want this nailed down prior to that as well as once the BCS shuffle is done.  I would imagine that there are, or will be, offers made that are contingent upon BCS structure landing spot.

BCS status doesn't matter any longer.  Anyone that we want already has it (except BYU if we believe they're a top option, which they probably aren't).

What matters is money and how much your conference can offer each member.  And that price is determined by your TV partners.  And you need to tell your TV partners what kind of inventory you can offer before they'll commit to a value.

I'm almost betting that we'll hear about who we're inviting shortly before we commit to a TV contract, which is exactly what happened with the Pac-12.  However, we're going to go to the TV partners and say, "How much will you give us with FSU and Clemson?"  Then we'll take that number back to them and ask them if that will be enough to make them jump.  If not, we'll ask them how much with Louisville and BYU?  Then we'll figure out if that value is worth more than what we'd make staying at ten.  A decision would be made at that point.

A conference commissioner, at least a decent one, would come in here and construct a long-term plan around television deals.  That's Shaheen's specialty.  You can almost bet that if he came in here, it wouldn't be as simple as adding two teams and negotiating a TV deal.  He's going to construct what his vision is around a TV deal and then find schools and TV partners that fit that vision (within the current contractual obligations).

If Neinas stayed, we'd invite and renegotiate.  If we get a forward thinking commissioner like Delany or Scott, we'll come up with a plan and then invite.

You want the Delany/Scott version.  You don't want the Slive/Swofford version of, "Invite and negotiate later".

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #18081 on: February 22, 2012, 03:41:12 PM »
Also, I don't see the Big 12 looking to add any new members until we get a permanent conference commissioner in place.

I'm sure, at that point, he'll get acclimated, talk with the expansion committee, talk with the TV partners, and then define whether or not we stay in place, add obvious candidates (Louisville, BYU), or go for a home run with some ACC schools.

Regardless, a guy like Shaheen would probably wait a little longer because he'd probably have some pretty forward thinking ideas he'd have to sell to the conference before making official invites.  I highly doubt we go to 12 or more teams until 2014 or 2015.

Invites for teams 11 and 12 will go out way before then, probably right after they know what the new bcs structure will be.....they may not play until 2014 but it will be done way before then

I agree w/ this timing.  Doesn't our first tier rights come up for negotiation in two years?  Gotta think that we want this nailed down prior to that as well as once the BCS shuffle is done.  I would imagine that there are, or will be, offers made that are contingent upon BCS structure landing spot.

BCS status doesn't matter any longer.  Anyone that we want already has it (except BYU if we believe they're a top option, which they probably aren't).

What matters is money and how much your conference can offer each member.  And that price is determined by your TV partners.  And you need to tell your TV partners what kind of inventory you can offer before they'll commit to a value.

I'm almost betting that we'll hear about who we're inviting shortly before we commit to a TV contract, which is exactly what happened with the Pac-12.  However, we're going to go to the TV partners and say, "How much will you give us with FSU and Clemson?"  Then we'll take that number back to them and ask them if that will be enough to make them jump.  If not, we'll ask them how much with Louisville and BYU?  Then we'll figure out if that value is worth more than what we'd make staying at ten.  A decision would be made at that point.

A conference commissioner, at least a decent one, would come in here and construct a long-term plan around television deals.  That's Shaheen's specialty.  You can almost bet that if he came in here, it wouldn't be as simple as adding two teams and negotiating a TV deal.  He's going to construct what his vision is around a TV deal and then find schools and TV partners that fit that vision (within the current contractual obligations).

If Neinas stayed, we'd invite and renegotiate.  If we get a forward thinking commissioner like Delany or Scott, we'll come up with a plan and then invite.

You want the Delany/Scott version.  You don't want the Slive/Swofford version of, "Invite and negotiate later".

We are not talking about the automatic BCS status anymore, we are simply saying that the new BCS deal will be a decision point for teams and conferences to implement the next step in their plans, including in the Big 12's case a new TV deal.  One of the key elements in the new BCS deal is what happens with ND.  If they get thrown in with the other indepentents and don't get any special treatment they may be pushed into joining a conference, that is a huge domino.  Also, if the new BCS is based entirely on the BCS rankings then conference like the ACC will be shut out more years than not.  This makes a Florida State, Clemson move more likely.  (not saying we will get any of those teams, just saying they won't make decisions until they have a good idea what the new BCS will look like).

The same goes for the TV networks.  They know that once the BCS makes a decision more shuffling will occur and they will have a better idea on what they are actually bidding on.

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« Reply #18082 on: February 22, 2012, 03:47:05 PM »
Chuck Neinas is stepping down by July 1 (siap)


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« Reply #18083 on: February 22, 2012, 06:01:05 PM »
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« Reply #18084 on: February 22, 2012, 06:12:51 PM »
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« Reply #18085 on: February 22, 2012, 08:27:22 PM »
Also, I don't see the Big 12 looking to add any new members until we get a permanent conference commissioner in place.

I'm sure, at that point, he'll get acclimated, talk with the expansion committee, talk with the TV partners, and then define whether or not we stay in place, add obvious candidates (Louisville, BYU), or go for a home run with some ACC schools.

Regardless, a guy like Shaheen would probably wait a little longer because he'd probably have some pretty forward thinking ideas he'd have to sell to the conference before making official invites.  I highly doubt we go to 12 or more teams until 2014 or 2015.

Invites for teams 11 and 12 will go out way before then, probably right after they know what the new bcs structure will be.....they may not play until 2014 but it will be done way before then

I agree w/ this timing.  Doesn't our first tier rights come up for negotiation in two years?  Gotta think that we want this nailed down prior to that as well as once the BCS shuffle is done.  I would imagine that there are, or will be, offers made that are contingent upon BCS structure landing spot.

BCS status doesn't matter any longer.  Anyone that we want already has it (except BYU if we believe they're a top option, which they probably aren't).

What matters is money and how much your conference can offer each member.  And that price is determined by your TV partners.  And you need to tell your TV partners what kind of inventory you can offer before they'll commit to a value.

I'm almost betting that we'll hear about who we're inviting shortly before we commit to a TV contract, which is exactly what happened with the Pac-12.  However, we're going to go to the TV partners and say, "How much will you give us with FSU and Clemson?"  Then we'll take that number back to them and ask them if that will be enough to make them jump.  If not, we'll ask them how much with Louisville and BYU?  Then we'll figure out if that value is worth more than what we'd make staying at ten.  A decision would be made at that point.

A conference commissioner, at least a decent one, would come in here and construct a long-term plan around television deals.  That's Shaheen's specialty.  You can almost bet that if he came in here, it wouldn't be as simple as adding two teams and negotiating a TV deal.  He's going to construct what his vision is around a TV deal and then find schools and TV partners that fit that vision (within the current contractual obligations).

If Neinas stayed, we'd invite and renegotiate.  If we get a forward thinking commissioner like Delany or Scott, we'll come up with a plan and then invite.

You want the Delany/Scott version.  You don't want the Slive/Swofford version of, "Invite and negotiate later".

We are not talking about the automatic BCS status anymore, we are simply saying that the new BCS deal will be a decision point for teams and conferences to implement the next step in their plans, including in the Big 12's case a new TV deal.  One of the key elements in the new BCS deal is what happens with ND.  If they get thrown in with the other indepentents and don't get any special treatment they may be pushed into joining a conference, that is a huge domino.  Also, if the new BCS is based entirely on the BCS rankings then conference like the ACC will be shut out more years than not.  This makes a Florida State, Clemson move more likely.  (not saying we will get any of those teams, just saying they won't make decisions until they have a good idea what the new BCS will look like).

The same goes for the TV networks.  They know that once the BCS makes a decision more shuffling will occur and they will have a better idea on what they are actually bidding on.

If anything, the new BCS will not support AQ teams and will be a more "pure" system where they take the Top 8 teams and put them into the bowls with the +1 game.  Notre Dame's current agreement is that they'll get in if they're Top 8, therefore, nothing the BCS changes will really hurt ND, and it will most likely be a wash.

What's going to force ND out of their hole is when/if not being in a conference impacts their competitiveness, and that would most likely be if the Big Ten and Pac-12 teams decide to cut them out due to their scheduling alliance, NBC cuts them out of their TV deal, and the mid-level teams in the current BCS conferences make as much or more in revenue than they do.  Also, if they lose a decent home for their non-football sports, that will also incite them to move.

But if we're waiting on ND, we're going to be waiting for a long time.

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« Reply #18086 on: February 23, 2012, 09:10:20 PM »
Chuck Neinas is stepping down by July 1 (siap)

Chuck Neinas says he’ll leave Big 12 at end of June
Posted by Ben Kercheval on February 22, 2012, 7:21 PM EST
AP  It’s been known for a little less than a month that Chuck Neinas will, eventually, move on from his acting status as the Big 12?s commissioner.

Now, we have a date. In an interview with ESPN’s David Ubben, Neinas says he plans to be out by July 1 — the same day TCU and West Virginia officially join the Big 12.

“I’ve agreed to remain on until the end of June,” Neinas said, “so I’m fully confident they’ll have a new commissioner to be on board the first of July, and probably earlier.”

The conference’s board of directors met late last month to form a search committee and begin the process of replacing Neinas. A search firm is being considered and Neinas said he will assist in the search for his replacement.

Neinas took over the Big 12 on an interim basis when former Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe resigned last September amid mounting pressure and royally ticking off Oklahoma.
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« Reply #18089 on: February 25, 2012, 08:00:29 AM »
My boss, Notre Dame grad, says ND's AD is the next BigXii comish.   Fwiw. 

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« Reply #18090 on: February 25, 2012, 08:50:42 AM »
My boss, Notre Dame grad, says ND's AD is the next BigXii comish.   Fwiw. 

CartierFor3, K-State grad, has heard similar things many times in the last 6 months. 

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« Reply #18091 on: February 25, 2012, 06:53:22 PM »
My boss, Notre Dame grad, says ND's AD is the next BigXii comish.   Fwiw.  

CartierFor3, K-State grad, has heard similar things many times in the last 6 months.  
Katdaddy, K-State grad, has seen rumblings on the net about Dan Jack being the man.  :crossfingers:
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« Reply #18092 on: February 26, 2012, 09:38:12 PM »
Also, I don't see the Big 12 looking to add any new members until we get a permanent conference commissioner in place.

I'm sure, at that point, he'll get acclimated, talk with the expansion committee, talk with the TV partners, and then define whether or not we stay in place, add obvious candidates (Louisville, BYU), or go for a home run with some ACC schools.

Regardless, a guy like Shaheen would probably wait a little longer because he'd probably have some pretty forward thinking ideas he'd have to sell to the conference before making official invites.  I highly doubt we go to 12 or more teams until 2014 or 2015.

Invites for teams 11 and 12 will go out way before then, probably right after they know what the new bcs structure will be.....they may not play until 2014 but it will be done way before then

BYU, Louisville To Big 12 Rumors Return, With 2013 As New Target Date

Feb 24 9:04a by Jason Kirk

The Big 12 does not have 12 teams now, and it will not have 12 teams in the future unless it starts adding to its arsenal. The number 12 at this moment is a reference to the invisible 12th planet in our solar system, I think. The Louisville Cardinals and BYU Cougars remain the presumed top candidates for those two spots, with fresh rumors regarding the status of the boys from Provo.
 
BYU's Rivals site reports the Cougars are "aggressively pursuing" membership in the Big 12, which follows previous reports that BYU's particular stances on certain media issues would prevent such a partnership. According to Deep Shades of Blue, both BYU and Louisville could be added in time for 2013. BYU would join in all sports, according to the report.
 
BYU is currently independent in football, and Louisville remains one of the Big East's football crown jewels for the time being.
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« Reply #18093 on: February 26, 2012, 10:41:56 PM »
 :barf: DO NOT WANT BYU.   :barf:
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« Reply #18094 on: February 26, 2012, 10:46:30 PM »
Kind of weird that we'd go after BYU after already expanding east, but I can't complain too much.

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« Reply #18095 on: February 26, 2012, 10:55:43 PM »
Remember those dark days of realignment when we thought we'd be cast to Confy USA for all of eternity? Now talk of adding BYU and UL to get back to 12.

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« Reply #18096 on: February 26, 2012, 11:16:09 PM »
:barf: DO NOT WANT BYU.   :barf:
I'd be cool with BYU. 


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« Reply #18097 on: February 26, 2012, 11:22:40 PM »
I hope we stay at ten teams forever.

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« Reply #18098 on: February 26, 2012, 11:30:05 PM »
I hope we stay at ten teams forever.
10 is great for basketball.  For football, I'd prefer to not play OU and UT (I know I know, CTR domination but still) every year.  Also, conference championship games are fun.  Felt like a loser watching all the other conferences get to play fun CCGs this year.


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« Reply #18099 on: February 26, 2012, 11:46:32 PM »
Kind of weird that we'd go after BYU after already expanding east, but I can't complain too much.

Good for TV money, but every indication thus far has been that they'll be as big of a pain as the other "problem" schools in the conference when it comes to granting TV rights, etc.

When you get in bed with BYU, you're getting in bed with a religious institution that wants to use their football program to proselytize.  It's not to say that they can't be good partners, but you're essentially trying to deal with the actual LDS church on certain matters, and I'm going to guess that they aren't going to bend on certain things just to placate a bunch of public, Midwestern universities.

There are pros, but all in all, I want them to be the very last option on the table before we take them at 12.  I mean we've got to be past the point of begging Air Force to join for me to like that move now.