why did kruger leave k-state?

[kso_FAN]

meanwhile altman was running john rettinger out there.

The pride of Strong City, KS!

[Brock Landers]

Years ago I wrote out a comparison of KU and KSU basketball history on the eve of the two teams' 1988 Elite Eight game. They were very comparable, with KSU having the edge in certain areas like #1 rankings and NCAA appearances (IIRC). Fatty used that post as his signature for a while...

But, my god, when KU has Roy Williams as coach and KSU has Asbury and Wooldridge as coaches, your programs are going to go in opposite directions. Fast.

So that was you that did that "Lest We Forget..." comparison chart huh.  I remember that and even emailed it to a bunch of friends and none of them could believe the numbers were true.  Some of my KU buds were like "Dude, what the hell happened??"  Bad coaching hires, that's what happened and K State took about 20 years off from being serious about basketball.

[Missouriscribe]

Did we think we were getting Floyd compare to Max Urick's original list to replace Altman? I remember Tubby Smith being at the top of ol Max's list

[Skipper44]

meanwhile altman was running john rettinger out there.

The pride of Strong City, KS!

seriously, who is the best non Hugs/Frank big at KSU in the modern basketball era?  I think it goes Nealy -> Norris Coleman ->Ty Davis -> Manny ->Fred McCoy.  Manny likely is the only guy in that group over 6-6 without shoes.

[michigancat]

meanwhile altman was running john rettinger out there.

The pride of Strong City, KS!

seriously, who is the best non Hugs/Frank big at KSU in the modern basketball era?  I think it goes Nealy -> Norris Coleman ->Ty Davis -> Manny ->Fred McCoy.  Manny likely is the only guy in that group over 6-6 without shoes.

Massey deserves consideration on that list. I'm not sure I consider Nealy "modern". Or even Norris Coleman.

[hatingfrancisco]

Tony Kitt was pretty good.

[CHONGS]

I liked Tony Kitt...
http://www.bbstate.com/teams/KSU/player/tony-kitt/00

[CHONGS]

goddamnit francis!

[kso_FAN]

Tony Kitt was pretty good.

His 20-20 game was pretty great.

[Skipper44]

meanwhile altman was running john rettinger out there.

The pride of Strong City, KS!

seriously, who is the best non Hugs/Frank big at KSU in the modern basketball era?  I think it goes Nealy -> Norris Coleman ->Ty Davis -> Manny ->Fred McCoy.  Manny likely is the only guy in that group over 6-6 without shoes.

Massey deserves consideration on that list. I'm not sure I consider Nealy "modern". Or even Norris Coleman.

yeah, addition of the 3 point line in 86-87 is a good point to start the "modern' era and that gets rid of Nealy but keeps Coleman (barely).  The 6-6 line still applies if we add Massey tho

[michigancat]

I liked Tony Kitt...
http://www.bbstate.com/teams/KSU/player/tony-kitt/00

pretty sure we beat Calipari in that Memphis game. I'm going to check now.

[michigancat]

I liked Tony Kitt...
http://www.bbstate.com/teams/KSU/player/tony-kitt/00

pretty sure we beat Calipari in that Memphis game. I'm going to check now.

I was wrong - he was coach when they beat us in Memphis the next year though.

[Brock Landers]

meanwhile altman was running john rettinger out there.

The pride of Strong City, KS!

seriously, who is the best non Hugs/Frank big at KSU in the modern basketball era?  I think it goes Nealy -> Norris Coleman ->Ty Davis -> Manny ->Fred McCoy.  Manny likely is the only guy in that group over 6-6 without shoes.

Massey deserves consideration on that list. I'm not sure I consider Nealy "modern". Or even Norris Coleman.

yeah, addition of the 3 point line in 86-87 is a good point to start the "modern' era and that gets rid of Nealy but keeps Coleman (barely).  The 6-6 line still applies if we add Massey tho

Shot clock also changed to 35 seconds the year before if that constitutes "modern" but yeah Norris is about as far back as we can probably go in this discussion.

[kso_FAN]

Tony Kitt was pretty good.

His 20-20 game was pretty great.

Oops, I got him mixed up with Kelvin Howell.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2001/02/18/texas-tech-54-kansas-state-73

[EMAWzified]

Cunningham has to be on the list and maybe the best of the lot as a true post (love Massey but not as a center). Relentless rebounder, solid defender, could score some.
I suppose Shawn Rhodes should get a mention, but little else.

[pissclams]

meanwhile altman was running john rettinger out there.

The pride of Strong City, KS!

true story- I had originally typed that but deleted b/c I couldn't remember if he was strong city or council grove

[EMAWzified]

Shouldn't the question be Strong City or Cottonwood Falls?

[pissclams]

I liked Wylie Howard but can't remember his production...

[kso_FAN]

Shouldn't the question be Strong City or Cottonwood Falls?

He claimed Strong City. Like when he was announced in the starting line up they said Strong City. FWIW.

[EMAWzified]

Bledsoe was on the 88 team right? He was pretty good. Meiers, meh.

[Pete]

Is it a coincidence that Lon's last year was the year we were recruiting Venables, while Venables was in his final year playing a Garden City? 

[chum1]

Is it a coincidence that Lon's last year was the year we were recruiting Venables, while Venables was in his final year playing a Garden City?

Was that booster's daughter once a cheerleader?

[Cartierfor3]

Years ago I wrote out a comparison of KU and KSU basketball history on the eve of the two teams' 1988 Elite Eight game. They were very comparable, with KSU having the edge in certain areas like #1 rankings and NCAA appearances (IIRC). Fatty used that post as his signature for a while...

But, my god, when KU has Roy Williams as coach and KSU has Asbury and Wooldridge as coaches, your programs are going to go in opposite directions. Fast.

(On the eve of the 1988 Elite Eight game, KSU vs. KU)- - -[NCAA Appearances: KSU (18) - KU (18)]- - -[Sweet 16: KSU (16) - KU (13)]- - -[Elite 8: KSU (11) - KU (11)]- - -[Final 4: KSU (4) - KU (6)]- - -[Nat'l Champ: KSU (0) - KU (1)]- - -[Weeks Ranked #1: KSU (8) - KU (9)]- - -[Weeks in Top 5: KSU (62) - KU (49)]- - -[Weeks in Top 10: KSU (89) - KU (139)]- - -[Final Top 10: KSU (7) - KU (10)]- - -[Final #1: KSU (1) - KU (0)]- - -[Big 8 Champs: KSU (10) - KU (8)]- - -[Big 7 Champs: KSU (5) - KU (5)]- - -[KSU vs KU (Big 8): 39-37]- - -[KSU vs KU (Big 7): 13-15]- -

[Pete]

Is it a coincidence that Lon's last year was the year we were recruiting Venables, while Venables was in his final year playing a Garden City?

Was that booster's daughter once a cheerleader?

Great question.

OR, did Lon sleep with Venables during a recruiting visit?  Would kill two rumor mystery birds with one rumor mystery stone.

[nicname]

Years ago I wrote out a comparison of KU and KSU basketball history on the eve of the two teams' 1988 Elite Eight game. They were very comparable, with KSU having the edge in certain areas like #1 rankings and NCAA appearances (IIRC). Fatty used that post as his signature for a while...

But, my god, when KU has Roy Williams as coach and KSU has Asbury and Wooldridge as coaches, your programs are going to go in opposite directions. Fast.

(On the eve of the 1988 Elite Eight game, KSU vs. KU)- - -[NCAA Appearances: KSU (18) - KU (18)]- - -[Sweet 16: KSU (16) - KU (13)]- - -[Elite 8: KSU (11) - KU (11)]- - -[Final 4: KSU (4) - KU (6)]- - -[Nat'l Champ: KSU (0) - KU (1)]- - -[Weeks Ranked #1: KSU (8) - KU (9)]- - -[Weeks in Top 5: KSU (62) - KU (49)]- - -[Weeks in Top 10: KSU (89) - KU (139)]- - -[Final Top 10: KSU (7) - KU (10)]- - -[Final #1: KSU (1) - KU (0)]- - -[Big 8 Champs: KSU (10) - KU (8)]- - -[Big 7 Champs: KSU (5) - KU (5)]- - -[KSU vs KU (Big 8): 39-37]- - -[KSU vs KU (Big 7): 13-15]- -

Seeing all that is still infuriating