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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: j rake on February 09, 2015, 09:21:13 PM
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i know nothing about ksu hoops history, but was wondering why kruger left ksu for florida back in the early 90s? four straight ncaa tourneys, an elite eight, and LHC Bill Snyder was just about to get things rolling in football.
ksu could have been been the dominant program (football & hoops) of the 90s had he stuck around. :frown:
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Great question. I'd love to know the same thing.
Can we make this the KSU hoops history master page where people can ask questions like this?
I'd love to know what the fan reaction was when both Asbury and Wooly were hired.
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Banging coeds
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Banging coeds
Yeah. Cheerleader IIRC (at least the rumor).
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Self got away with it
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if true, it's crazy that a single cheerleader changed the course of ksu hoops history. it's obvious that kruger is a top 20 coach in the country. is there another coach, active or otherwise, that has taken five different schools to the 2nd round of the ncaa tourney?
i don't think it's ever been done before.
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I think Kruger leaving started the paranoia among fans about being able to get coaches who would stay. He was a K-State grad and if you couldn't keep him around, who would stay at K-State.
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I think Kruger leaving started the paranoia among fans about being able to get coaches who would stay. He was a K-State grad and if you couldn't keep him around, who would stay at K-State.
worse, florida was on probation when he arrived, and had exactly three all-time ncaa tourney appearances.
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i don't think it's ever been done before.
my quick fact checking reveals that kruger is the only coach to reach the ncaa tourney with five different schools.
the only active coach capable of pulling off the feat anytime soon? tubby smith! :surprised:
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if true, it's crazy that a single cheerleader changed the course of ksu hoops history.
it's not true, obviously.
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The word at the time amongst townies was that Florida offered him a shitload of money.
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if true, it's crazy that a single cheerleader changed the course of ksu hoops history.
it's not true, obviously.
why obviously? i already stated i know nothing about ksu hoops history, so would not be obvious to me.
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The word at the time amongst townies was that Florida offered him a shitload of money.
Kruger earns approximately $500,000 per season at Florida. The contract does not include a buyout. If Kruger leaves, however, he would have to reimburse Florida for loans he was granted upon his hiring. The loans are forgiven if Kruger fulfills his contract.
Henson, 64, was paid $350,000 this past season.
In recent seasons, Kruger has noted the lack of consistent support among Florida fans. Average home attendance dropped nearly 2,000 this past season to 7,896, down from 9,838 in 1994-95. But even in the Gators' first Final Four season in 1993-94, when they went 13-0 at home, average attendance was less than 10,000 at the 12,000-seat O'Connell Center.
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if true, it's crazy that a single cheerleader changed the course of ksu hoops history.
it's not true, obviously.
why obviously? i already stated i know nothing about ksu hoops history, so would not be obvious to me.
a) because you're a rational human. b) didn't you used to be a reporter or something like that? in theory, i believe reporters are supposed to research crap.
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a) because you're a rational human. b) didn't you used to be a reporter or something like that? in theory, i believe reporters are supposed to research crap.
in a previous life, i really hope i was aaron burr and you were alexander hamilton.
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The word at the time amongst townies was that Florida offered him a shitload of money.
Kruger earns approximately $500,000 per season at Florida. The contract does not include a buyout. If Kruger leaves, however, he would have to reimburse Florida for loans he was granted upon his hiring. The loans are forgiven if Kruger fulfills his contract.
Henson, 64, was paid $350,000 this past season.
In recent seasons, Kruger has noted the lack of consistent support among Florida fans. Average home attendance dropped nearly 2,000 this past season to 7,896, down from 9,838 in 1994-95. But even in the Gators' first Final Four season in 1993-94, when they went 13-0 at home, average attendance was less than 10,000 at the 12,000-seat O'Connell Center.
Spurrier made $335,000 that year.
http://www.onthebanks.com/2011/4/8/2097990/why-are-coaching-salaries-rising
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i guess the $ figure originally quoted was incorrect.
December 3, 1993
By Arden Moore, Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel
FORT LAUDERDALE — The salary of University of Florida women's basketball coach Carol Ross has been increased from $46,600 to $80,000 to bring her closer in pay with men's coach Lon Kruger, who makes $126,000.
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Look at Lon's career. He moves around a lot and goes for the bucks. Texas made a big push the year before and he nearly left then.
There was a lot of cheerleader talk at the time, but look at him. Seems to be the go-to rumor for coaches and you heard the same whispers about Larry Brown.
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Let's just clear the air about Larry Brown. The rumors were true. Bill Self's mentor and hero.
Insofar as Lon goes, it probably had more to do with Steve Miller who didn't like Lon and wanted a faster, uptempo game, so the natural choice was of course Dana Altman and Dana's 4 guys standing around while Ski fires a 3 offense and/or Anthony Beane drives and shoots a wild shot off the glass and everybody crash the boards offense.
Lon was talking to Florida and Steve Miller told the media that Lon had taken the job.
That's what I remember.
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Contract details were not available, but Kruger's yearly package is expected to approach $400,000. His 5-year rollover contract at Kansas State paid Kruger $200,000.
Never heard the townies talking about this one:
Kruger, according to Kansas sources, was discontent at Kansas State, which lacks the attention of the neighboring Kansas Jayhawks.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1990-04-02/sports/9004023187_1_lon-kruger-kruger-leaves-kansas-state
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people loved asbury when max hired him.
pepperdine success in regular season and then there was the Michigan game
Doug Christie
usa basketball
"run and gun" west coast offense
lol my gosh
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in a previous life, i really hope i was aaron burr and you were alexander hamilton.
did you see where i posted that i hoped you made a fortune on the kstate-tech game? wow, that was so nice of me.
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Pretty sure lon complained about how hard it was to recruit to Manhattan compared to Florida.
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Pretty sure lon complained about how hard it was to recruit to Manhattan compared to Florida.
Lon is also a lazy recruiter.
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Wooly's hire has to be viewed in the context of where we were. Wasn't Asbury an ncaa tourney coach just once here?
Wooldridge came from the Bulls, seemed young and less like an a-hole personally than terrible Tom. I don't remember anyone whooping and hollering with excitement but it seemed like a decent enough hire at the time.
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in a previous life, i really hope i was aaron burr and you were alexander hamilton.
did you see where i posted that i hoped you made a fortune on the kstate-tech game? wow, that was so nice of me.
oh, i did not see that. thank you for saying something kind. :thumbsup:
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Wooly's hire has to be viewed in the context of where we were. Wasn't Asbury an ncaa tourney coach just once here?
Wooldridge came from the Bulls, seemed young and less like an a-hole personally than terrible Tom. I don't remember anyone whooping and hollering with excitement but it seemed like a decent enough hire at the time.
I think you're misremembering this slightly. A significant portion of our fanbase thought that we were hiring Tim Floyd and were terribly disappointed when they found out it was Wooly.
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Wooly's hire has to be viewed in the context of where we were. Wasn't Asbury an ncaa tourney coach just once here?
Wooldridge came from the Bulls, seemed young and less like an a-hole personally than terrible Tom. I don't remember anyone whooping and hollering with excitement but it seemed like a decent enough hire at the time.
I think you're misremembering this slightly. A significant portion of our fanbase thought that we were hiring Tim Floyd and were terribly disappointed when they found out it was Wooly.
Could be. I was never impressed with Floyd, but he certainly was a big name back then.
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Wooly's hire has to be viewed in the context of where we were. Wasn't Asbury an ncaa tourney coach just once here?
Wooldridge came from the Bulls, seemed young and less like an a-hole personally than terrible Tom. I don't remember anyone whooping and hollering with excitement but it seemed like a decent enough hire at the time.
I think you're misremembering this slightly. A significant portion of our fanbase thought that we were hiring Tim Floyd and were terribly disappointed when they found out it was Wooly.
Literally everyone was disappointed at the time of the hire.
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This article hints at his lazy recruiting but it really isn't his words
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1990-12-30/features/9003050532_1_youthful-talent-brian-hogan-lon-kruger/2
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Not sure anyone really cared who we hired...we just wanted to be rid of Asbury.
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i'm amazed at the lack of knowledge of ksu hoops history on display in this thread.
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Knocked up a cheerleader was the rumor I'd always heard.
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Not sure anyone really cared who we hired...we just wanted to be rid of Asbury.
I am sure. We were disappointed because we thought we were getting Tim Floyd.
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i'm amazed at the lack of knowledge of ksu hoops history on display in this thread.
there was no goEMAW at the time. ask me something about the Bob Huggins/Frank Martin/oscar Weber eras.
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i'm amazed at the lack of knowledge of ksu hoops history on display in this thread.
there was no goEMAW at the time. ask me something about the Bob Huggins/Frank Martin/oscar Weber eras.
Did LHC Bill Snyder push for Currie to get rid of Frank?
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i'm amazed at the lack of knowledge of ksu hoops history on display in this thread.
there was no goEMAW at the time. ask me something about the Bob Huggins/Frank Martin/oscar Weber eras.
Did LHC Bill Snyder push for Currie to get rid of Frank?
No. Currie actually doesn't do much of what Bill wants him to do anyway. They don't, like, like each other.
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I remember having a nice conversation with Steve Miller while we waited to get our haircut at the Snip N Clip in the mall back in the day. Very personable fellow.
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Did not realize we had an AD before Max Urick
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Did not realize we had an AD named Max Urick
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Did not realize we had an AD named Max Urick
Fun fact, he coached football at a school called Wabash
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i'm amazed at the lack of knowledge of ksu hoops history on display in this thread.
there was no goEMAW at the time. ask me something about the Bob Huggins/Frank Martin/oscar Weber eras.
Did LHC Bill Snyder push for Currie to get rid of Frank?
No. Currie actually doesn't do much of what Bill wants him to do anyway. They don't, like, like each other.
Can you imagine if Currie pulled what he pulled on Jamar with a football stud before a big game or bowl game? I can't imagine. I don't think Bill would take it very well
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Not sure anyone really cared who we hired...we just wanted to be rid of Asbury.
I am sure. We were disappointed because we thought we were getting Tim Floyd.
ya, KK had a "it's Floyd" moment IIRC in the early days of BTL. I imagine Floyd (or his agent) told Max he would take the job because he thought he would get fired by the Bulls at the end of the season but when he actually talked with the Bulls management they decided to keep him. They then fired him like 1 month into the next season.
Wooldridge was on Floyd's staff with the Bulls and was likely going to be the number 1 assistant here so just turning around and hiring Wooly would of been like us hiring like hiring Lowery if Weber had picked CofC.
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It is....(reassuring? confusing? troubling?) reflect on an AD with an even more perfunctory coaching search than our last bball hire.
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Not sure anyone really cared who we hired...we just wanted to be rid of Asbury.
I am sure. We were disappointed because we thought we were getting Tim Floyd.
ya, KK had a "it's Floyd" moment IIRC in the early days of BTL. I imagine Floyd (or his agent) told Max he would take the job because he thought he would get fired by the Bulls at the end of the season but when he actually talked with the Bulls management they decided to keep him. They then fired him like 1 month into the next season.
Wooldridge was on Floyd's staff with the Bulls and was likely going to be the number 1 assistant here so just turning around and hiring Wooly would of been like us hiring like hiring Lowery if Weber had picked CofC.
Regardless, once Wooly got Tex Winter's endorsement, it was pretty much a done deal. Then he was sold as a "program builder" because he turned his alma mater into a nearly .500 team.. Also took SW Texas State (now Texas State) to the tournament.
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I waited tables with Max's son. He didn't want anyone to know he was Max's son.
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i know nothing about ksu hoops history, but was wondering why kruger left ksu for florida back in the early 90s? four straight ncaa tourneys, an elite eight, and LHC LHC Bill Snyder was just about to get things rolling in football.
ksu could have been been the dominant program (football & hoops) of the 90s had he stuck around. :frown:
I imagine that the AD eventually told Lon there wasn't any more money for basketball when he kept bringing in other offers to get a raise.
Snyder had demanded KSU borrow money to improve the football facilities and I imagine that pissed off Kruger who likely felt he had spent years building up a good basketball program as a player, assistant and head coach and didn't like resources being invested in the second class program.
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It is....(reassuring? confusing? troubling?) reflect on an AD with an even more perfunctory coaching search than our last bball hire.
I enjoyed wefald's thoughts on hiring Altman:
"We have gone through a circumstance that is difficult for all of us," he said. "We understand that. But you go on. Kansas State University has endured, and will endure. I slept last night. I slept well. I felt good."
http://www.tulsaworld.com/archives/still-stunned-k-state-gives-reins-to-altman/article_0c8f1b9e-7e8d-5726-aba7-5b58bf6b82c7.html
Also::
Offensively, we'll push the ball up and down the court. We're going to increase the tempo."
:D
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Not sure anyone really cared who we hired...we just wanted to be rid of Asbury.
I am sure. We were disappointed because we thought we were getting Tim Floyd.
ya, KK had a "it's Floyd" moment IIRC in the early days of BTL. I imagine Floyd (or his agent) told Max he would take the job because he thought he would get fired by the Bulls at the end of the season but when he actually talked with the Bulls management they decided to keep him. They then fired him like 1 month into the next season.
Wooldridge was on Floyd's staff with the Bulls and was likely going to be the number 1 assistant here so just turning around and hiring Wooly would of been like us hiring like hiring Lowery if Weber had picked CofC.
Regardless, once Wooly got Tex Winter's endorsement, it was pretty much a done deal. Then he was sold as a "program builder" because he turned his alma mater into a nearly .500 team.. Also took SW Texas State (now Texas State) to the tournament.
and then TechDawgfan posted on the OG kstatefans a Nostradamus-like post including playing just good enough to lose and running off the best players :frown:
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Not sure anyone really cared who we hired...we just wanted to be rid of Asbury.
I am sure. We were disappointed because we thought we were getting Tim Floyd.
ya, KK had a "it's Floyd" moment IIRC in the early days of BTL. I imagine Floyd (or his agent) told Max he would take the job because he thought he would get fired by the Bulls at the end of the season but when he actually talked with the Bulls management they decided to keep him. They then fired him like 1 month into the next season.
Wooldridge was on Floyd's staff with the Bulls and was likely going to be the number 1 assistant here so just turning around and hiring Wooly would of been like us hiring like hiring Lowery if Weber had picked CofC.
Regardless, once Wooly got Tex Winter's endorsement, it was pretty much a done deal. Then he was sold as a "program builder" because he turned his alma mater into a nearly .500 team.. Also took SW Texas State (now Texas State) to the tournament.
Gene Keady endorsement or Tex Winter endorsement? Who ya got?
I think the Tex endorsement was better at the time and even now would be equally valuable to a Gene Keady endorsement.
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Gene Keady endorsement or Tex Winter endorsement? Who ya got?
I think the Tex endorsement was better at the time and even now would be equally valuable to a Gene Keady endorsement.
Winter endorsement > Gene endorsement.
Hiring a coach based on another coach's endorsement seems dumb.
I remember when Currie was sort of known as the guy instrumental behind the scenes in hiring Pearl at Tennessee.
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i know nothing about ksu hoops history, but was wondering why kruger left ksu for florida back in the early 90s? four straight ncaa tourneys, an elite eight, and LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder was just about to get things rolling in football.
ksu could have been been the dominant program (football & hoops) of the 90s had he stuck around. :frown:
I imagine that the AD eventually told Lon there wasn't any more money for basketball when he kept bringing in other offers to get a raise.
Snyder had demanded KSU borrow money to improve the football facilities and I imagine that pissed off Kruger who likely felt he had spent years building up a good basketball program as a player, assistant and head coach and didn't like resources being invested in the second class program.
This is the most likely scenario from those I've heard. Young GOSP was upset about it, and when Steve Miller visited MHS after Lon left, I asked him to schedule Florida in basketball...
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Altman was the recruiter and young gun when he came in. A "sneaky sexy" hire. He was the one who brought in Mitch Richmond and most of our other good recruits under Kruger -- probably Ski Jones and "Fat" Fred McCoy, etc.
Altman's first recruiting classes were highly ranked, and we were going to run-and-gun. When it turned out his recruits were overrated, we slowed it down and Altman morphed into a different kind of coach entirely. So we eased him out.
Then Asbury came in as maybe the hottest coach in the nation at the time. Strike two.
Nobody was excited about hiring Wooly. I guess we had given up by that time.
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One must not forget that Eddie Sutton begged for the K-State job after Kruger left, and that K-State all but had Tubby Smith signed, but he had a last second change of mind.
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It is....(reassuring? confusing? troubling?) reflect on an AD with an even more perfunctory coaching search than our last bball hire.
I enjoyed wefald's thoughts on hiring Altman:
"We have gone through a circumstance that is difficult for all of us," he said. "We understand that. But you go on. Kansas State University has endured, and will endure. I slept last night. I slept well. I felt good."
http://www.tulsaworld.com/archives/still-stunned-k-state-gives-reins-to-altman/article_0c8f1b9e-7e8d-5726-aba7-5b58bf6b82c7.html
Also::
Offensively, we'll push the ball up and down the court. We're going to increase the tempo."
:D
It's funny, because Lon's teams scored a ton of points. A lot relative to KSU anyway.
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One must not forget that Eddie Sutton begged for the K-State job after Kruger left, and that K-State all but had Tubby Smith signed, but he had a last second change of mind.
I thought the Sutton thing was when Hartman was sucking, or am I thinking of Hartman nearly leaving K-State then coming back and sucking?
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One must not forget that Eddie Sutton begged for the K-State job after Kruger left, and that K-State all but had Tubby Smith signed, but he had a last second change of mind.
Sutton clearly would've been the better hire in retrospect, but you can't really say hiring Kruger wasn't a bad move by the A.D.
It would have been Sutton instead of Altman after he got fired from Kentucky.
And Tubby instead of Asbury. IIRC Tubby was ready to take the job, but went back to Tulsa and decided to stay another year before leaving for Georgia.
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The Sutton begging for the job moment was when we hired Altman. Sutton had just been fired at Kentucky for sucking and being a drunk.
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The Sutton begging for the job moment was when we hired Altman. Sutton had just been fired at Kentucky for sucking and being a drunk.
And cheating.
Edit: I meant getting caught cheating.
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Altman did bring in some talent. Way more than Asbury ever did, or Wooly early on.
Altman recruited Ski Jones while an assistant, and then added Jean Derouillere as another backcourt shooter when he became head coach. Pretty good combo there for his first teams. Up front we had Deryl Cunningham (who teamed with Aaron Collier for the famous AC/DC frontcourt). Anthony Beane was good. Tony Massop was ridiculously athletic, though that didn't translate directly into being the best basketball player. If Darryl King or Brian Henson had been as good as their older brothers, or as good as their ratings, Altman might have worked out.
Altman did rely heavily on juco players (he was an old juco coach) and some folks would've preferred more HS recruits.
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if true, it's crazy that a single cheerleader changed the course of ksu hoops history.
save the cheerleader, save KSU hoops.
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From the 1995 Lawrence Journal-World:
Tom Asbury caused quite a stir last April when he was named head basketball coach at Kansas State.
Asbury, who brought a pair of Pepperdine teams to Lawrence said Allen Fieldhouse "was not the greatest place in the world."
He also said if KU coach Roy Williams had a choice, he'd take KSU's Bramlage Coliseum as his home building instead of KU's tradition-rich arena.
"I've already said all I'm going to say on that. I got the whole state of Kansas mad at me," Asbury said Monday.
K-State's coach, who has been quite quotable, unlike his predecessor, Dana Altman, was asked Monday if he regrets making the controversial statements about KU.
"Hell no," Asbury told the Manhattan Mercury, "but I'm not gonna say it again."
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"Kansas State has had some success there in the past. If we play smart and shoot it, maybe we can give 'em a game."
K-State won here a year ago, beating then No. 1-ranked KU, 68-64. The Wildcats are 17-23 overall at Allen. The 17 wins mark the most by any visiting team.
(That last bit... :frown:)
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Wow. Those were the days.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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From the 1995 Lawrence Journal-World:
Tom Asbury caused quite a stir last April when he was named head basketball coach at Kansas State.
Asbury, who brought a pair of Pepperdine teams to Lawrence said Allen Fieldhouse "was not the greatest place in the world."
He also said if KU coach Roy Williams had a choice, he'd take KSU's Bramlage Coliseum as his home building instead of KU's tradition-rich arena.
"I've already said all I'm going to say on that. I got the whole state of Kansas mad at me," Asbury said Monday.
K-State's coach, who has been quite quotable, unlike his predecessor, Dana Altman, was asked Monday if he regrets making the controversial statements about KU.
"Hell no," Asbury told the Manhattan Mercury, "but I'm not gonna say it again."
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"Kansas State has had some success there in the past. If we play smart and shoot it, maybe we can give 'em a game."
K-State won here a year ago, beating then No. 1-ranked KU, 68-64. The Wildcats are 17-23 overall at Allen. The 17 wins mark the most by any visiting team.
(That last bit... :frown:)
17-23 at the Phog sounds made up.
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Altman did bring in some talent. Way more than Asbury ever did, or Wooly early on.
Altman recruited Ski Jones while an assistant, and then added Jean Derouillere as another backcourt shooter when he became head coach. Pretty good combo there for his first teams. Up front we had Deryl Cunningham (who teamed with Aaron Collier for the famous AC/DC frontcourt). Anthony Beane was good. Tony Massop was ridiculously athletic, though that didn't translate directly into being the best basketball player. If Darryl King or Brian Henson had been as good as their older brothers, or as good as their ratings, Altman might have worked out.
Altman did rely heavily on juco players (he was an old juco coach) and some folks would've preferred more HS recruits.
i was just about to post this.
add belvis, vince jackson, and demond davis. we had some talented players 1-3, i think the failure landed on alman and his ability to develop post players capable of going up against some of the best 4-5's our conference will ever see. the b8/12 was pretty good when altman was here.
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IIRC, Lon left after refusing to sever the unibrow, which was thought to be unbecoming to K-State's image. Man, an incredible volume of LKSUBBIQ on display here.
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Altman did bring in some talent. Way more than Asbury ever did, or Wooly early on.
Altman recruited Ski Jones while an assistant, and then added Jean Derouillere as another backcourt shooter when he became head coach. Pretty good combo there for his first teams. Up front we had Deryl Cunningham (who teamed with Aaron Collier for the famous AC/DC frontcourt). Anthony Beane was good. Tony Massop was ridiculously athletic, though that didn't translate directly into being the best basketball player. If Darryl King or Brian Henson had been as good as their older brothers, or as good as their ratings, Altman might have worked out.
Altman did rely heavily on juco players (he was an old juco coach) and some folks would've preferred more HS recruits.
JC basketball in the 80s and into the early 90s was light years better than what we have now. There were usually at least a handfull of NBA players every year in JCs and dozens of impact high major guys.
Prep schools really started to change all that in the mid to late 90s and I have always wondered what changed, was it was the shoe money from Nike and Adidas that made it so high major kids could get scholarships to the Oak Hill's and Hargrave's to get their grades up for 1 year instead of Butler or Hutch for 2.
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Wooldridge said he's down to nine healthy players at KSU was asked if he agrees with a controversial quote attributed to Asbury last year: "We don't have anybody KU would want and KU doesn't have anybody we've been able to get."
"I won't say that," said Wooldridge, whose first KSU team has defeated ranked teams in Iowa and Missouri. "I really like my nine guys. They have fought really hard for their season, for themselves, their team, school and program. I like my guys. We're going to go over there and compete."
Overall, the Jayhawks have won 19 straight over KSU, the Wildcats' last victory a 68-64 victory in 1994 in Lawrence.
"The rivalry between K-State and Kansas has been around a long, long time," Wooldridge said. "Our program has taken a little bit of a dip, but we're not second-class citizens. We don't perceive ourselves that way.
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Prep schools really started to change all that in the mid to late 90s and I have always wondered what changed, was it was the shoe money from Nike and Adidas that made it so high major kids could get scholarships to the Oak Hill's and Hargrave's to get their grades up for 1 year instead of Butler or Hutch for 2.
A prep school (might as well be called a basketball school) for 1 year that uses no college eligibility vs going to some JUCO in Kansas or Florida for 2 while using 2 years of eligibility? That decision seems pretty easy.
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Years ago I wrote out a comparison of KU and KSU basketball history on the eve of the two teams' 1988 Elite Eight game. They were very comparable, with KSU having the edge in certain areas like #1 rankings and NCAA appearances (IIRC). Fatty used that post as his signature for a while...
But, my god, when KU has Roy Williams as coach and KSU has Asbury and Wooldridge as coaches, your programs are going to go in opposite directions. Fast.
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Wooldridge said he's down to nine healthy players at KSU was asked if he agrees with a controversial quote attributed to Asbury last year: "We don't have anybody KU would want and KU doesn't have anybody we've been able to get."
"I won't say that," said Wooldridge, whose first KSU team has defeated ranked teams in Iowa and Missouri. "I really like my nine guys. They have fought really hard for their season, for themselves, their team, school and program. I like my guys. We're going to go over there and compete."
Overall, the Jayhawks have won 19 straight over KSU, the Wildcats' last victory a 68-64 victory in 1994 in Lawrence.
"The rivalry between K-State and Kansas has been around a long, long time," Wooldridge said. "Our program has taken a little bit of a dip, but we're not second-class citizens. We don't perceive ourselves that way.
added another bold part! Rashad Washington got decent minutes that season.
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Altman did bring in some talent. Way more than Asbury ever did, or Wooly early on.
Altman recruited Ski Jones while an assistant, and then added Jean Derouillere as another backcourt shooter when he became head coach. Pretty good combo there for his first teams. Up front we had Deryl Cunningham (who teamed with Aaron Collier for the famous AC/DC frontcourt). Anthony Beane was good. Tony Massop was ridiculously athletic, though that didn't translate directly into being the best basketball player. If Darryl King or Brian Henson had been as good as their older brothers, or as good as their ratings, Altman might have worked out.
Altman did rely heavily on juco players (he was an old juco coach) and some folks would've preferred more HS recruits.
i was just about to post this.
add belvis, vince jackson, and demond davis. we had some talented players 1-3, i think the failure landed on alman and his ability to develop post players capable of going up against some of the best 4-5's our conference will ever see. the b8/12 was pretty good when altman was here.
yeah, it was not uncommon for Roy to be 2 deep with NBA posts, Norm would have the occasional Jevon Crudup to go with his stable of local 6-8 dirty white boys and Billy was tailing off at OU but still had talent and Eddie was DITRing for NBA guys as OSU was on the rise.
All the while the cats are rolling out a couple of DJamer types at best :frown:
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added another bold part! Rashad Washington got decent minutes that season.
I remember trying to sell myself on that being cool, like we've got a Deion Sanders thing going on right there within KSU!
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damn, bring back asbury! this guy was entertaining :D
If Kansas State coach Tom Asbury listens to his daughter, there will be no sequel to his recent criticism of former Oklahoma coach Billy Tubbs.
Asbury labored in relative obscurity at Pepperdine in southern California before taking over at Kansas State this year. He could say things without a whole lot of people writing it down.
"In Los Angeles," Asbury said Tuesday, "they'd cover an 0-27 USC before they'd cover a 27-0 Pepperdine. " But when he called Tubbs a jerk, an idiot, a negative recruiter and an overrated coach, it got picked up by the Big Eight media and got all the way to Hollywood where his daughter lives.
Asbury said his daughter, Megan, a sophomore at Pepperdine, called after hearing his comments.
"She says, 'Dad, I got you the lead in a movie. ' " "I said, 'Really? ' " "She said, 'Yeah, Dumb and Dumber, Part II. You're going to get to play both parts. ' "I said, 'OK, Hon. You're right. ' "
Asbury said the postman has been busy in Manhattan.
"The response has been interesting during the last week," he said. "It's been two-sided. I probably don't have a tendency to maybe take it as seriously as some people would like you to, or as some coaches do. It's just my nature."
Asbury says, however, that he was misquoted in some accounts in which he was said to have called Iowa State forward Fred Hoiberg no better than a Division II player.
Asbury said he meant that Hoiberg is a good shooter who plays beyond his athletic abilities.
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Altman did bring in some talent. Way more than Asbury ever did, or Wooly early on.
Altman recruited Ski Jones while an assistant, and then added Jean Derouillere as another backcourt shooter when he became head coach. Pretty good combo there for his first teams. Up front we had Deryl Cunningham (who teamed with Aaron Collier for the famous AC/DC frontcourt). Anthony Beane was good. Tony Massop was ridiculously athletic, though that didn't translate directly into being the best basketball player. If Darryl King or Brian Henson had been as good as their older brothers, or as good as their ratings, Altman might have worked out.
Altman did rely heavily on juco players (he was an old juco coach) and some folks would've preferred more HS recruits.
i was just about to post this.
add belvis, vince jackson, and demond davis. we had some talented players 1-3, i think the failure landed on alman and his ability to develop post players capable of going up against some of the best 4-5's our conference will ever see. the b8/12 was pretty good when altman was here.
yeah, it was not uncommon for Roy to be 2 deep with NBA posts, Norm would have the occasional Jevon Crudup to go with his stable of local 6-8 dirty white boys and Billy was tailing off at OU but still had talent and Eddie was DITRing for NBA guys as OSU was on the rise.
All the while the cats are rolling out a couple of DJamer types at best :frown:
vandiver @ cu
big country @ osu
doug smith @ mu
stacey king @ ou
chievous @ mu
just off the top of my head these guys were all really good. meanwhile altman was running john rettinger out there.
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meanwhile altman was running john rettinger out there.
The pride of Strong City, KS!
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Years ago I wrote out a comparison of KU and KSU basketball history on the eve of the two teams' 1988 Elite Eight game. They were very comparable, with KSU having the edge in certain areas like #1 rankings and NCAA appearances (IIRC). Fatty used that post as his signature for a while...
But, my god, when KU has Roy Williams as coach and KSU has Asbury and Wooldridge as coaches, your programs are going to go in opposite directions. Fast.
So that was you that did that "Lest We Forget..." comparison chart huh. I remember that and even emailed it to a bunch of friends and none of them could believe the numbers were true. Some of my KU buds were like "Dude, what the hell happened??" Bad coaching hires, that's what happened and K State took about 20 years off from being serious about basketball.
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Did we think we were getting Floyd compare to Max Urick's original list to replace Altman? I remember Tubby Smith being at the top of ol Max's list
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meanwhile altman was running john rettinger out there.
The pride of Strong City, KS!
seriously, who is the best non Hugs/Frank big at KSU in the modern basketball era? I think it goes Nealy -> Norris Coleman ->Ty Davis -> Manny ->Fred McCoy. Manny likely is the only guy in that group over 6-6 without shoes.
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meanwhile altman was running john rettinger out there.
The pride of Strong City, KS!
seriously, who is the best non Hugs/Frank big at KSU in the modern basketball era? I think it goes Nealy -> Norris Coleman ->Ty Davis -> Manny ->Fred McCoy. Manny likely is the only guy in that group over 6-6 without shoes.
Massey deserves consideration on that list. I'm not sure I consider Nealy "modern". Or even Norris Coleman.
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Tony Kitt was pretty good.
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I liked Tony Kitt...
http://www.bbstate.com/teams/KSU/player/tony-kitt/00
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goddamnit francis!
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Tony Kitt was pretty good.
His 20-20 game was pretty great.
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meanwhile altman was running john rettinger out there.
The pride of Strong City, KS!
seriously, who is the best non Hugs/Frank big at KSU in the modern basketball era? I think it goes Nealy -> Norris Coleman ->Ty Davis -> Manny ->Fred McCoy. Manny likely is the only guy in that group over 6-6 without shoes.
Massey deserves consideration on that list. I'm not sure I consider Nealy "modern". Or even Norris Coleman.
yeah, addition of the 3 point line in 86-87 is a good point to start the "modern' era and that gets rid of Nealy but keeps Coleman (barely). The 6-6 line still applies if we add Massey tho
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I liked Tony Kitt...
http://www.bbstate.com/teams/KSU/player/tony-kitt/00
pretty sure we beat Calipari in that Memphis game. I'm going to check now.
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I liked Tony Kitt...
http://www.bbstate.com/teams/KSU/player/tony-kitt/00
pretty sure we beat Calipari in that Memphis game. I'm going to check now.
I was wrong - he was coach when they beat us in Memphis the next year though.
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meanwhile altman was running john rettinger out there.
The pride of Strong City, KS!
seriously, who is the best non Hugs/Frank big at KSU in the modern basketball era? I think it goes Nealy -> Norris Coleman ->Ty Davis -> Manny ->Fred McCoy. Manny likely is the only guy in that group over 6-6 without shoes.
Massey deserves consideration on that list. I'm not sure I consider Nealy "modern". Or even Norris Coleman.
yeah, addition of the 3 point line in 86-87 is a good point to start the "modern' era and that gets rid of Nealy but keeps Coleman (barely). The 6-6 line still applies if we add Massey tho
Shot clock also changed to 35 seconds the year before if that constitutes "modern" but yeah Norris is about as far back as we can probably go in this discussion.
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Tony Kitt was pretty good.
His 20-20 game was pretty great.
Oops, I got him mixed up with Kelvin Howell.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2001/02/18/texas-tech-54-kansas-state-73
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Cunningham has to be on the list and maybe the best of the lot as a true post (love Massey but not as a center). Relentless rebounder, solid defender, could score some.
I suppose Shawn Rhodes should get a mention, but little else.
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meanwhile altman was running john rettinger out there.
The pride of Strong City, KS!
true story- I had originally typed that but deleted b/c I couldn't remember if he was strong city or council grove
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Shouldn't the question be Strong City or Cottonwood Falls?
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I liked Wylie Howard but can't remember his production...
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Shouldn't the question be Strong City or Cottonwood Falls?
He claimed Strong City. Like when he was announced in the starting line up they said Strong City. FWIW.
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Bledsoe was on the 88 team right? He was pretty good. Meiers, meh.
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Is it a coincidence that Lon's last year was the year we were recruiting Venables, while Venables was in his final year playing a Garden City?
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Is it a coincidence that Lon's last year was the year we were recruiting Venables, while Venables was in his final year playing a Garden City?
Was that booster's daughter once a cheerleader?
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Years ago I wrote out a comparison of KU and KSU basketball history on the eve of the two teams' 1988 Elite Eight game. They were very comparable, with KSU having the edge in certain areas like #1 rankings and NCAA appearances (IIRC). Fatty used that post as his signature for a while...
But, my god, when KU has Roy Williams as coach and KSU has Asbury and Wooldridge as coaches, your programs are going to go in opposite directions. Fast.
(On the eve of the 1988 Elite Eight game, KSU vs. KU)- - -[NCAA Appearances: KSU (18) - KU (18)]- - -[Sweet 16: KSU (16) - KU (13)]- - -[Elite 8: KSU (11) - KU (11)]- - -[Final 4: KSU (4) - KU (6)]- - -[Nat'l Champ: KSU (0) - KU (1)]- - -[Weeks Ranked #1: KSU (8) - KU (9)]- - -[Weeks in Top 5: KSU (62) - KU (49)]- - -[Weeks in Top 10: KSU (89) - KU (139)]- - -[Final Top 10: KSU (7) - KU (10)]- - -[Final #1: KSU (1) - KU (0)]- - -[Big 8 Champs: KSU (10) - KU (8)]- - -[Big 7 Champs: KSU (5) - KU (5)]- - -[KSU vs KU (Big 8): 39-37]- - -[KSU vs KU (Big 7): 13-15]- -
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Is it a coincidence that Lon's last year was the year we were recruiting Venables, while Venables was in his final year playing a Garden City?
Was that booster's daughter once a cheerleader?
Great question.
OR, did Lon sleep with Venables during a recruiting visit? Would kill two rumor mystery birds with one rumor mystery stone.
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Years ago I wrote out a comparison of KU and KSU basketball history on the eve of the two teams' 1988 Elite Eight game. They were very comparable, with KSU having the edge in certain areas like #1 rankings and NCAA appearances (IIRC). Fatty used that post as his signature for a while...
But, my god, when KU has Roy Williams as coach and KSU has Asbury and Wooldridge as coaches, your programs are going to go in opposite directions. Fast.
(On the eve of the 1988 Elite Eight game, KSU vs. KU)- - -[NCAA Appearances: KSU (18) - KU (18)]- - -[Sweet 16: KSU (16) - KU (13)]- - -[Elite 8: KSU (11) - KU (11)]- - -[Final 4: KSU (4) - KU (6)]- - -[Nat'l Champ: KSU (0) - KU (1)]- - -[Weeks Ranked #1: KSU (8) - KU (9)]- - -[Weeks in Top 5: KSU (62) - KU (49)]- - -[Weeks in Top 10: KSU (89) - KU (139)]- - -[Final Top 10: KSU (7) - KU (10)]- - -[Final #1: KSU (1) - KU (0)]- - -[Big 8 Champs: KSU (10) - KU (8)]- - -[Big 7 Champs: KSU (5) - KU (5)]- - -[KSU vs KU (Big 8): 39-37]- - -[KSU vs KU (Big 7): 13-15]- -
Seeing all that is still infuriating
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Years ago I wrote out a comparison of KU and KSU basketball history on the eve of the two teams' 1988 Elite Eight game. They were very comparable, with KSU having the edge in certain areas like #1 rankings and NCAA appearances (IIRC). Fatty used that post as his signature for a while...
But, my god, when KU has Roy Williams as coach and KSU has Asbury and Wooldridge as coaches, your programs are going to go in opposite directions. Fast.
(On the eve of the 1988 Elite Eight game, KSU vs. KU)- - -[NCAA Appearances: KSU (18) - KU (18)]- - -[Sweet 16: KSU (16) - KU (13)]- - -[Elite 8: KSU (11) - KU (11)]- - -[Final 4: KSU (4) - KU (6)]- - -[Nat'l Champ: KSU (0) - KU (1)]- - -[Weeks Ranked #1: KSU (8) - KU (9)]- - -[Weeks in Top 5: KSU (62) - KU (49)]- - -[Weeks in Top 10: KSU (89) - KU (139)]- - -[Final Top 10: KSU (7) - KU (10)]- - -[Final #1: KSU (1) - KU (0)]- - -[Big 8 Champs: KSU (10) - KU (8)]- - -[Big 7 Champs: KSU (5) - KU (5)]- - -[KSU vs KU (Big 8): 39-37]- - -[KSU vs KU (Big 7): 13-15]- -
Seeing all that is still infuriating
Larry teaching KU how to bagman is what killed us. Was Hartman a clean coach, I am under the impression he was.
Heard that Jack and Tex had their ways to get players. To bad went couldn't stay in that coaching tree.
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I just want to know why we haven't claimed the national title we ended the year ranked #1
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The reason Lon left is because we put all of our eggs in the football basket. Lon felt he wasn't getting the money/support he needed to maintain or push the program to the next level. Im pretty close with the entire Kruger bunch and this was mentioned multiple times by Lon over the years.
And to whoever mentioned Rettiger: I was in AFH for the 1989 game where Henson went crazy bombing threes (Kevin Pritchard also had a play where he drove the lane and slammed in the face of er'ybody. Henson let him go at the free throw line and as the crowd went nuts, Cats pushed the ball on two passes to Henson who drained about a 27 footer to take back the lead).
Oh yea, Rettiige.. That idiot, late in the game received a beautiful no look from Henson and instead of slamming, he clanged it off the back rim. Alonzo whathisname, got the outlet and slammed it to push the lead to three. End of game.
I dislike Rettiger for that 15 seconds that ruined my day.
Was a great game tho.
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One must not forget that Eddie Sutton begged for the K-State job after Kruger left, and that K-State all but had Tubby Smith signed, but he had a last second change of mind.
We had him. But they were afraid he was a "risk". Such pussies in the administration. Of course he was a risk. A risk to get drunk after winning a conference title, a game, a regional final. Yea.
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great info william the wildcat.
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Why did Lon Kruger leave KSU??
Because we are Kansas State basketball and we don't get to have nice things very long.
#thread
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Kansasooner told me that he thought Kruger talks like he's had a stroke.
Do you agree?
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Kansasooner told me that he thought Kruger talks like he's had a stroke.
Do you agree?
he has a lisp. he talks like he just got dentures.
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Did Lon leave K-State because he had a stroke and everyone thought it was just a lisp?
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cleft pallet
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Chum just blew my mind
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williamthewildcat,
What was the deal with Isaiah Rider and Altman? Wasn't that part of the reason Dana got hired? There's a story there.
Also, speaking of Henson bombing threes, I still remember vividly the 1998 game in Kemper where Henson drained about a 30 footer from mid court because he was feelin it in route to our twenty point beat down if the Hawks in the Big 8 tourney. God, I loved Henson and Richmond.
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While I certainly agree that Lon was non-to-pleased with all kinds of funds being channeled towards football . . . the fact that he and Steve Miller didn't get along was also a huge factor in his leaving K-State. The story I had always heard was that Lon was just going to try and used Florida as leverage for money at K-State, but that Miller told the media that Kruger was gone. I still remember a TV interview with Kruger right when it all went down and he was not very happy for a guy who just took a job for more money at Florida.
It all changed when KU hired Larry Brown and brought the "Carolina Way" with the bag men, and the agents. Hartman used assistant coaching hires to develop pipelines and of course I'm sure there were other little minor shenanigans going on at K-State, but it was no match for ku whose entire history of the "godfathers" was only put on steroids once Brown was hired. Both Self and Calipari were assistants under Brown at ku.
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great info william the wildcat.
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While I certainly agree that Lon was non-to-pleased with all kinds of funds being channeled towards football . . . the fact that he and Steve Miller didn't get along was also a huge factor in his leaving K-State. The story I had always heard was that Lon was just going to try and used Florida as leverage for money at K-State, but that Miller told the media that Kruger was gone. I still remember a TV interview with Kruger right when it all went down and he was not very happy for a guy who just took a job for more money at Florida.
It all changed when KU hired Larry Brown and brought the "Carolina Way" with the bag men, and the agents. Hartman used assistant coaching hires to develop pipelines and of course I'm sure there were other little minor shenanigans going on at K-State, but it was no match for ku whose entire history of the "godfathers" was only put on steroids once Brown was hired. Both Self and Calipari were assistants under Brown at ku.
I'm interested in hearing more about KU's unsavory pursuits.
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While I certainly agree that Lon was non-to-pleased with all kinds of funds being channeled towards football . . . the fact that he and Steve Miller didn't get along was also a huge factor in his leaving K-State. The story I had always heard was that Lon was just going to try and used Florida as leverage for money at K-State, but that Miller told the media that Kruger was gone. I still remember a TV interview with Kruger right when it all went down and he was not very happy for a guy who just took a job for more money at Florida.
It all changed when KU hired Larry Brown and brought the "Carolina Way" with the bag men, and the agents. Hartman used assistant coaching hires to develop pipelines and of course I'm sure there were other little minor shenanigans going on at K-State, but it was no match for ku whose entire history of the "godfathers" was only put on steroids once Brown was hired. Both Self and Calipari were assistants under Brown at ku.
You can see through Self, Calipari and Brown how cheating has developed. They are on a completely different level. Jim Boeheim has his car dealership friend, Coach K is a classic money envelope guy. But Self and Calipari are out running this Agent - Handler - Recruit cash cycle.
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It's really not hard to pull off shenanigans and the only way you can be caught is if somebody snitches.
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I'm learning so much KSU history ITT.
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You guys better hope beems doesn't see this thread
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You guys better hope beems doesn't see this thread
It's @OregonSmock and I hope he comes in here and sets the record straight. Lotta :jeffy: going on.
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You guys better hope beems doesn't see this thread
It's @OregonSmock and I hope he comes in here and sets the record straight. Lotta :jeffy: going on.
Why do so many ku people fail to accept reality? You should see all the dumbfounded, shellshocked "Carolina Way" people mumbling and sputtering their way through trying to explain why what happened at UNC wasn't really that bad. If you really want to believe that Bill Self and Calipari and others land the talent they do simply because the kid is all motored up by the "tradition" and that fanbase boner giving pre-game intro video . . . knock yourself out. Tons of schools have nice facilities and nice places to live.
I'll readily admit agent-player shenanigans were in play for guys like Beasley and Bill Walker, and that the NCAA looked into it, but nobody would snitch.l
Self and his lil BFF developer buddy have a nice little gig going (amongst multiple facets of the operation) . . . enjoy it ku fans.
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You guys better hope beems doesn't see this thread
It's @OregonSmock and I hope he comes in here and sets the record straight. Lotta :jeffy: going on.
Why do so many ku people fail to accept reality? You should see all the dumbfounded, shellshocked "Carolina Way" people mumbling and sputtering their way through trying to explain why what happened at UNC wasn't really that bad. If you really want to believe that Bill Self and Calipari and others land the talent they do simply because the kid is all motored up by the "tradition" and that fanbase boner giving pre-game intro video . . . knock yourself out. Tons of schools have nice facilities and nice places to live.
I'll readily admit agent-player shenanigans were in play for guys like Beasley and Bill Walker, and that the NCAA looked into it, but nobody would snitch.l
Self and his lil BFF developer buddy have a nice little gig going (amongst multiple facets of the operation) . . . enjoy it ku fans.
It is the shear breadth of the apparent conspiracy that makes you sound paranoid. I doubt Self himself has much knowledge of any shenanigans, much less is personally orchestrating it.
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You guys better hope beems doesn't see this thread
It's @OregonSmock and I hope he comes in here and sets the record straight. Lotta :jeffy: going on.
Why do so many ku people fail to accept reality? You should see all the dumbfounded, shellshocked "Carolina Way" people mumbling and sputtering their way through trying to explain why what happened at UNC wasn't really that bad. If you really want to believe that Bill Self and Calipari and others land the talent they do simply because the kid is all motored up by the "tradition" and that fanbase boner giving pre-game intro video . . . knock yourself out. Tons of schools have nice facilities and nice places to live.
I'll readily admit agent-player shenanigans were in play for guys like Beasley and Bill Walker, and that the NCAA looked into it, but nobody would snitch.l
Self and his lil BFF developer buddy have a nice little gig going (amongst multiple facets of the operation) . . . enjoy it ku fans.
It is the shear breadth of the apparent conspiracy that makes you sound paranoid. I doubt Self himself has much knowledge of any shenanigans, much less is personally orchestrating it.
Captain Obvious Scale (1 to 5): 4.5 Captain Obvious's
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You guys better hope beems doesn't see this thread
It's @OregonSmock and I hope he comes in here and sets the record straight. Lotta :jeffy: going on.
Why do so many ku people fail to accept reality? You should see all the dumbfounded, shellshocked "Carolina Way" people mumbling and sputtering their way through trying to explain why what happened at UNC wasn't really that bad. If you really want to believe that Bill Self and Calipari and others land the talent they do simply because the kid is all motored up by the "tradition" and that fanbase boner giving pre-game intro video . . . knock yourself out. Tons of schools have nice facilities and nice places to live.
I'll readily admit agent-player shenanigans were in play for guys like Beasley and Bill Walker, and that the NCAA looked into it, but nobody would snitch.l
Self and his lil BFF developer buddy have a nice little gig going (amongst multiple facets of the operation) . . . enjoy it ku fans.
It is the shear breadth of the apparent conspiracy that makes you sound paranoid. I doubt Self himself has much knowledge of any shenanigans, much less is personally orchestrating it.
Dude, the ticket deal with Pump N Run stank to high heaven but only a couple of AD flunkies took the fall - you need to revel in it, not deny it
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You guys better hope beems doesn't see this thread
It's @OregonSmock and I hope he comes in here and sets the record straight. Lotta :jeffy: going on.
Why do so many ku people fail to accept reality? You should see all the dumbfounded, shellshocked "Carolina Way" people mumbling and sputtering their way through trying to explain why what happened at UNC wasn't really that bad. If you really want to believe that Bill Self and Calipari and others land the talent they do simply because the kid is all motored up by the "tradition" and that fanbase boner giving pre-game intro video . . . knock yourself out. Tons of schools have nice facilities and nice places to live.
I'll readily admit agent-player shenanigans were in play for guys like Beasley and Bill Walker, and that the NCAA looked into it, but nobody would snitch.l
Self and his lil BFF developer buddy have a nice little gig going (amongst multiple facets of the operation) . . . enjoy it ku fans.
It is the shear breadth of the apparent conspiracy that makes you sound paranoid. I doubt Self himself has much knowledge of any shenanigans, much less is personally orchestrating it.
Dude, the ticket deal with Pump N Run stank to high heaven but only a couple of AD flunkies took the fall - you need to revel in it, not deny it
I'm really not here to defend all things KU, but what does employee theft and/or embezzlement have to do with this? I can't wait to see the tenuous leap you make...
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Really a proud moment for ku, when their AD apparently convinced enough people that he had no conceivable idea how the tickets to their most important sport, the entity that keeps the athletic program financially solvent were being handled. A situation that landed 4 people in Federal Prison.
I again, tip my hat to Lew Perkins (and others)
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You guys better hope beems doesn't see this thread
It's @OregonSmock and I hope he comes in here and sets the record straight. Lotta :jeffy: going on.
Why do so many ku people fail to accept reality? You should see all the dumbfounded, shellshocked "Carolina Way" people mumbling and sputtering their way through trying to explain why what happened at UNC wasn't really that bad. If you really want to believe that Bill Self and Calipari and others land the talent they do simply because the kid is all motored up by the "tradition" and that fanbase boner giving pre-game intro video . . . knock yourself out. Tons of schools have nice facilities and nice places to live.
I'll readily admit agent-player shenanigans were in play for guys like Beasley and Bill Walker, and that the NCAA looked into it, but nobody would snitch.l
Self and his lil BFF developer buddy have a nice little gig going (amongst multiple facets of the operation) . . . enjoy it ku fans.
It is the shear breadth of the apparent conspiracy that makes you sound paranoid. I doubt Self himself has much knowledge of any shenanigans, much less is personally orchestrating it.
Dude, the ticket deal with Pump N Run stank to high heaven but only a couple of AD flunkies took the fall - you need to revel in it, not deny it
I'm really not here to defend all things KU, but what does employee theft and/or embezzlement have to do with this? I can't wait to see the tenuous leap you make...
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=ys-kutickets052610 (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=ys-kutickets052610)
I mean, KU was turning final four tickets into cash in the pockets of the guys that ran one of the biggest AAU programs in country. An AAU program the produced the following recruits:summer traveling teams financed by the Pump brothers have featured at least nine players who went on to play for the Jayhawks. Among them were nationally recruited players Mario Chalmers, David Padgett, Omar Wilkes, Tyrel Reed, Elijah Johnson, Jeff Withey, Travis Releford and Brady Morningstar.
Finally, a former player and father of a current player was in the middle of it.
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These guys look pretty ethical to me :dunno:
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WTF happened to this thread?
Oh that's right.
Thanks Dax
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sorry, francis
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If KSU was as good at this stuff as KU is I would embrace it and brag about it rub it in people's faces.
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The notion that KU basketball was nothing until Larry Brown took over is comical. K-State was a very good basketball school up until the 1990's. Don't blame KU for your program's failures.
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Self and his lil BFF developer buddy have a nice little gig going (amongst multiple facets of the operation) . . . enjoy it ku fans.
doug compton
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kewl shades brah
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The notion that KU basketball was nothing until Larry Brown took over is comical. K-State was a very good basketball school up until the 1990's. Don't blame KU for your program's failures.
SHUT UP, YOU BASKETBALL PROGRAM RUINER!!!!
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goEMAW directive 1.1.1: K-State Athletics should cheat at every possible circumstance using the most covert and plausibly deniable methodologies.
Beems . . . this has been the stance of this forum and most of its members since day 1. We are solely laying the blame on our coaches, admins and boosters for not adjusting to ensure K-State b-ball's continued viability and success.
You know this.
Not one single person has said ku basketball was "nothing" before Larry Brown.
Geez, how sad that your return is marked by so much butthurt.
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If KSU was as good at this stuff as KU is I would embrace it and brag about it rub it in people's faces.
Maybe that's why we aren't good at it, though.
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Imagine if we had someone who'd put as much effort into cheating as oscar puts into excuses.
:love:
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This Squeaky clean is killing the program. Need to develop a bad boy image to draw in better players. Maybe gather at the Ernie Barrett statue for a good pre-game brawl. Bring along the "Family" wood and use it. :bball:
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Pretty cool
https://twitter.com/catfan28/status/1530581537145729024?s=20&t=8yOkDXykeBpTz31J-REPpQ
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Why did Jack Gardner leave Kstate for UTAH and the SKYLINE Conference after taking us to 2 final fours?!?
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To give way to Tex Winter.
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To give way to Tex Winter.
Tex struggled early, almost got booted like Altman did
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To give way to Tex Winter.
A. Altman didn't get "booted."
B. Tex was 17-8 and first (9-3) in Big 7 in his 3rd year.
Tex struggled early, almost got booted like Altman did
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Wildcat Legend:
https://twitter.com/KStateMBB/status/1542191171484540936?s=20&t=PiU9pTdwrMYbzT_mO9Wf_A