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I have no idea what any of that means but good farming there for sure


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Farmers have always helped their neighbors when needed and now some are putting acres towards helping out their communities after seeing long lines outside local food pantries and empty shelves at the stores as a result of the pandemic.
There is a small but growing movement including several large row croppers who are not only bridging the huge gap between themselves and consumers but also trying to do some extra good by donating produce that is harvested from their "Milpa acres". 
Definition of Milpa Acres: A milpa is a field in which farmers plant a dozen crops at once including corn, avocados, multiple varieties of squash and bean, melon, tomatoes, chilis, sweet potato, etc. Milpa crops are nutritionally and environmentally complementary. Corn lacks the amino acids, lysine, and tryptophan which the body needs to make proteins and niacin, but the beans have both lysine and tryptophan. The Squashes, for their part, provide an array of vitamins; avocados, fats, etc. The milpa, in the estimation of H. Garrison Wilkes, a corn researcher at the University of Massachusetts in Boston, "is one of the most successful human inventions ever created."
Tom Cannon, who operates 10,000 acres of crops and cattle near Blackwell, Oklahoma, was already getting hit hard from the trade war battles, then the effects of COVID-19 on the food supply chain led him to make the move to Milpa and help out those needing a meal. I found one of his comments interesting, where he mentioned that even farmers are dependent on our fragile food system and a lot of them are only four days away from hunger, not something we often think about. As a result, Cannon decided to start growing a variety of fruits and vegetables for local consumption. It’s the perfect way for a commodity farmer to grow produce without changing farming practices. I'm told you can just load the drill with 50 plus species and don’t ever have to go back until it is time to harvest, which most times you don't even do yourself.
From what I understand, most of these Milpa plots not only put food on the grower's plates but most of the 4,000 plus pounds of produce each acre delivers get donated to local community groups like food banks, youth groups, and churches. All they have to do is agree to do the harvesting. When that's finished, the rest serves as green manure for the field. Keep in mind, so far most of the growers who are stepping up are also committed regenerative farmers who are already on board with the benefits beyond the ease of planting which include crowding out weeds, encouraging beneficial insects, and increasing soil moisture retention.
We read an article the other day in Successful Farming that told about Sedgwick, Kansas, farmer Ryan Speer and his wife, Jennifer, who have planted a Milpa Gardens for three years. The Speers have harvested tons of produce, giving it not only to the Food and Farm Council, but to the Salvation Army, women’s shelters, and employees of the Newton, Kansas, hospital where Jennifer works. They pick three times a week, two hours per night harvesting, putting the food in laundry baskets, filling five to six laundry baskets full of vegetables every few days. The Speers grow a few rows of sweet corn separately in a cornfield, and add those ears to the baskets, while Jennifer provides recipes on how to fix meals with these vegetables. Read their full story HERE.
Some growers may not like a field that doesn't have straight rows but for the locals, it adds a new experience to acquiring your food as it's more of a scavenger hunt, where you have to navigate through the cover, never exactly knowing when you're going to run across that watermelon you crave. Cannon says one of the greatest joys he receives is the sounds of delight that come from his fields, as children and adults finally happen upon what they are looking for. It seems like harvesting a Milpa unleashes the inner forager in everyone.
Over the past three years, Milpa mix has been slowly gaining popularity and according to Keith Berns, co-owner of Green Cover Seed in Bladen, Nebraska, who helped formulate the first seed mixes, the number of orders suddenly doubled this spring. Berns who currently is donating a free acre of seed to anyone who commits to donating the harvest, is also thinking much bigger. With 200 million acres planted with corn, soy, and wheat in the U.S., Berns says if every producer just dedicated a fractional percentage of their land to a Milpa garden, it could result in a massive increase in national vegetable production. Keep in mind, farming regions across the U.S. may be growing plenty of crops, but rural communities have long had limited access to nutrient-rich fresh food, and this could be a great win-win. Something to think about and consider if you are looking for ways to help your community. (Source: CivilEats, KansasRuralCenter; SuccessfulFarming)


This from a consultant I follow on LinkedIn.  Maybe needs to be in garden thread, but I am going to research this for next spring.


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Huh. I thought MILPA meant something else.

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Farmers have always helped their neighbors when needed and now some are putting acres towards helping out their communities after seeing long lines outside local food pantries and empty shelves at the stores as a result of the pandemic.
There is a small but growing movement including several large row croppers who are not only bridging the huge gap between themselves and consumers but also trying to do some extra good by donating produce that is harvested from their "Milpa acres".
Definition of Milpa Acres: A milpa is a field in which farmers plant a dozen crops at once including corn, avocados, multiple varieties of squash and bean, melon, tomatoes, chilis, sweet potato, etc. Milpa crops are nutritionally and environmentally complementary. Corn lacks the amino acids, lysine, and tryptophan which the body needs to make proteins and niacin, but the beans have both lysine and tryptophan. The Squashes, for their part, provide an array of vitamins; avocados, fats, etc. The milpa, in the estimation of H. Garrison Wilkes, a corn researcher at the University of Massachusetts in Boston, "is one of the most successful human inventions ever created."
Tom Cannon, who operates 10,000 acres of crops and cattle near Blackwell, Oklahoma, was already getting hit hard from the trade war battles, then the effects of COVID-19 on the food supply chain led him to make the move to Milpa and help out those needing a meal. I found one of his comments interesting, where he mentioned that even farmers are dependent on our fragile food system and a lot of them are only four days away from hunger, not something we often think about. As a result, Cannon decided to start growing a variety of fruits and vegetables for local consumption. It’s the perfect way for a commodity farmer to grow produce without changing farming practices. I'm told you can just load the drill with 50 plus species and don’t ever have to go back until it is time to harvest, which most times you don't even do yourself.
From what I understand, most of these Milpa plots not only put food on the grower's plates but most of the 4,000 plus pounds of produce each acre delivers get donated to local community groups like food banks, youth groups, and churches. All they have to do is agree to do the harvesting. When that's finished, the rest serves as green manure for the field. Keep in mind, so far most of the growers who are stepping up are also committed regenerative farmers who are already on board with the benefits beyond the ease of planting which include crowding out weeds, encouraging beneficial insects, and increasing soil moisture retention.
We read an article the other day in Successful Farming that told about Sedgwick, Kansas, farmer Ryan Speer and his wife, Jennifer, who have planted a Milpa Gardens for three years. The Speers have harvested tons of produce, giving it not only to the Food and Farm Council, but to the Salvation Army, women’s shelters, and employees of the Newton, Kansas, hospital where Jennifer works. They pick three times a week, two hours per night harvesting, putting the food in laundry baskets, filling five to six laundry baskets full of vegetables every few days. The Speers grow a few rows of sweet corn separately in a cornfield, and add those ears to the baskets, while Jennifer provides recipes on how to fix meals with these vegetables. Read their full story HERE.
Some growers may not like a field that doesn't have straight rows but for the locals, it adds a new experience to acquiring your food as it's more of a scavenger hunt, where you have to navigate through the cover, never exactly knowing when you're going to run across that watermelon you crave. Cannon says one of the greatest joys he receives is the sounds of delight that come from his fields, as children and adults finally happen upon what they are looking for. It seems like harvesting a Milpa unleashes the inner forager in everyone.
Over the past three years, Milpa mix has been slowly gaining popularity and according to Keith Berns, co-owner of Green Cover Seed in Bladen, Nebraska, who helped formulate the first seed mixes, the number of orders suddenly doubled this spring. Berns who currently is donating a free acre of seed to anyone who commits to donating the harvest, is also thinking much bigger. With 200 million acres planted with corn, soy, and wheat in the U.S., Berns says if every producer just dedicated a fractional percentage of their land to a Milpa garden, it could result in a massive increase in national vegetable production. Keep in mind, farming regions across the U.S. may be growing plenty of crops, but rural communities have long had limited access to nutrient-rich fresh food, and this could be a great win-win. Something to think about and consider if you are looking for ways to help your community. (Source: CivilEats, KansasRuralCenter; SuccessfulFarming)


This from a consultant I follow on LinkedIn.  Maybe needs to be in garden thread, but I am going to research this for next spring.


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reminds me of this! my dad is looking into regenerative farming

https://www.hpj.com/crops/arkansas-farmers-switch-to-cover-crops-and-keep-the-family-farming-for-another-generation/article_3d6f4920-8bc7-11ea-8b45-03d860986934.html

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maybe milpa means some fancy multicrop thing in english, it means field in mexican spanish.
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i may start taking photos of central california cows and posting them.
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Had dinner over at my parents tonight and got to talking farming with my dad....long story short I'm going to be leaning heavily on this thread in the next 12 months to teach me everything there is to know about how to make money farming (LOL!) or at least break even.

My dad and uncle are in a pissing match so my uncles lease is up in march 2021 and it will all be on my dad. Our conversation started with his new brilliant idea to make money leasing the large morton building/barn out for people to store alfalfa bales in (they would have to leave room for the barn cats tho) and be a "alfalfa middle man". I mentioned that most alfalfa bales were wrapped in plastic netting and stored outside and that even my uncle didn't bother to store them inside when he could have easily done it so that idea probably wouldn't work.

He also had no idea how much he might get from leasing out the barn to store alfalfa bales  :dubious:
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Next up came our conversation about what he is going to plant in our irrigated circle next year...

dad: I'm going to plant Milo
ben ji: Why?
dad: We made money last year when it was milo.
ben ji: who is going to plant/farm it?
dad: I'll get some custom people to till it/plant it/pre-emergent/fertilizer etc etc
ben ji: how much will that cost per acre? What kind of bushel per acre will you need to break even?
dad: I don't know
ben ji: Do you know who is going to do the custom work?
dad: no
ben ji: Maybe you should start looking into that.

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Then we got to the pasture area which is like 3/4 of our land. I've successfully talked him out of trying to raise meat goats out there so now his plan is to have someone break out about 100 acres of the best pasture land (identified by soil surveys I found) into dry cropland.

dad: And then I'll have someone break out the pasture for cropland.
ben ji: Who is going to do that?
dad: XYZ's kid might
ben ji: have you asked him if he wants to do it and how much he would charge/profit split?
dad: no, i brought it up one time though and he sounded interested.
ben ji: so.......you have no idea if its feasible?
dad: all the land around it is crop land so it should work.

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Our distant cousin is the local land baron of thomas county and their home base of operations is like 2 miles away from our farm so I made my dad promise to try and contact him to see if he would be interested in leasing/custom working the circle and possibly breaking out the good part of the pasture and we left it at that.

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@slackcat he also agreed to sell the JD hit n miss so I just need to figure out the logistics of when I will be out their next and how to get it to you etc etc

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Best advice on the planet: Ben ji dad, No!


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Farming is not something you can just do with no equipment capital. You also can’t just cut into your RAZER sharp margins by paying other people to do it for you because you own land (other than leasing said land). The only times you can is when you can plant and take care of thousands of acres and just have someone cut it for you. Your dad is adorable and I love him but lease that crap out immediately.

PS. barn lease for alfalfa bales is lmao


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I’ve got something in high demand around here....an old vacant barn


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DAMNIT! We’ve got no covered place to store our alfalfa bales! What if we were to PAY some guy who lives miles away to store them there and when we need them we drive our asses all the way over there and get some and drive back here! Holy crap.....are you sure you aren’t some farm genius? Yes, I actually am irl.


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I'm glad to see that I am giving my dad good advice. 

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DAMNIT! We’ve got no covered place to store our alfalfa bales! What if we were to PAY some guy who lives miles away to store them there and when we need them we drive our asses all the way over there and get some and drive back here! Holy crap.....are you sure you aren’t some farm genius? Yes, I actually am irl.


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 :lol: :lol: :lol:

My uncle literally stored his bales outside about 300 yards away from the barn which was empty like 90% of the time(besides old hay bales that the barn cats live in).

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Ben ji, you have incred farm instincts.


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Does the pasture have good fence?  What kind of grass?

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Your big farm neighbors have more equipment then barns?  Rent it to store equipment.  Farmers love to note their 2012 Case IH Axial Flow combine was stored in a shed when its time to sell it.


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