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Re: Ask Steve Dave Farm And Cow And Ranch And Tractor And Truck Related Questions
« Reply #3725 on: January 30, 2021, 07:37:00 PM »
I've heard my dad talk about doing the rubber band thing back in the 70's

I (non-farmer from non-farmer heritage) was also aware of the rubber band thing. It makes me wonder... who was the sick rough rider and/or genius who first thought of it and tried it out?

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« Reply #3726 on: January 30, 2021, 07:40:25 PM »
i was also aware of banding (and of nut cutting), but i think my grandfather figured that ball removal was the next owners problem and guess i thought that was standard.

maybe he was selling his calves to sd's cow buyer, i dunno.
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« Reply #3727 on: January 30, 2021, 07:45:50 PM »
i was also aware of banding (and of nut cutting), but i think my grandfather figured that ball removal was the next owners problem and guess i thought that was standard.

maybe he was selling his calves to sd's cow buyer, i dunno.

I'd like to know more about how the entire vertical operates. Why aren't the big producers vertically integrated? Why does sd's dad have to buy hung bulls from sys's dad and then rip off their balls, then keep them for a while, and then sell them to someone else to slaughter and harvest the meat?

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Re: Ask Steve Dave Farm And Cow And Ranch And Tractor And Truck Related Questions
« Reply #3728 on: January 30, 2021, 09:10:21 PM »
It’s expensive and complicated to feedlot cows. We have our own food and places to do it  so sometimes we can buy extra ones to do that


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« Reply #3729 on: January 30, 2021, 09:27:08 PM »
Did you have to give the cows their centrum daily like how we take b/c good lord how tedious. I am surprised sd didn't consider giving them a nice 3000mg fish oil at the same time.

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« Reply #3730 on: January 30, 2021, 09:53:19 PM »
Did you have to give the cows their centrum daily like how we take b/c good lord how tedious. I am surprised sd didn't consider giving them a nice 3000mg fish oil at the same time.
I’m not certain but pretty sure it’s a one dose thing and MAYBE it’s more than vitamins but I never paid attention so not sure


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Re: Ask Steve Dave Farm And Cow And Ranch And Tractor And Truck Related Questions
« Reply #3731 on: January 31, 2021, 10:16:17 AM »
My unicorn came today... the 1/8th sale 4020.


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« Reply #3732 on: January 31, 2021, 03:01:19 PM »
Horn loppers
Old branding iron- we never used this but a hand me down I think for heating up in a fire or stove

Might be luking myself, but at the farm today doing electrical work on the barn


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« Reply #3733 on: February 01, 2021, 05:17:43 PM »
Oh man - the last couple of pages brought back some MEMORIES

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« Reply #3734 on: February 01, 2021, 10:52:24 PM »


i was also aware of banding (and of nut cutting), but i think my grandfather figured that ball removal was the next owners problem and guess i thought that was standard.

maybe he was selling his calves to sd's cow buyer, i dunno.

I'd like to know more about how the entire vertical operates. Why aren't the big producers vertically integrated? Why does sd's dad have to buy hung bulls from sys's dad and then rip off their balls, then keep them for a while, and then sell them to someone else to slaughter and harvest the meat?

This pretty good over view

https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/animal-products/cattle-beef/sector-at-a-glance/#:~:text=Based%20on%20the%202017%20Census,of%20the%20beef%20cow%20inventory.


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Re: Ask Steve Dave Farm And Cow And Ranch And Tractor And Truck Related Questions
« Reply #3735 on: February 02, 2021, 06:48:09 AM »
That is a good summary. Ours is both a cow calf and feeder operation. We don’t feed other peoples cows for hire, just ours. And sometimes we will buy other people’s from their cow calf operation if we have capacity to feed more than our own.

Cow calf only is a really chill way to do it. Once you get to feeder it becomes a massive PITA and requires a lot of capital and equipment.


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Re: Ask Steve Dave Farm And Cow And Ranch And Tractor And Truck Related Questions
« Reply #3736 on: February 02, 2021, 08:12:06 AM »
My step dad is cow calf. Started growing the herd 10-15 years ago as a supplemental income. Runs 100 or so head now with his brother and nephew. Keeps him just busy enough to enjoy retirement without being stuck in the house and not so busy that he can't take off for a few weeks in the RV.


If you're in northwest Arkansas and want someone to raise a calf for slaughter, slide in the DM. You pay him market price hoof weight at slaughter and pay the slaughter house yourself. It's some damn fine meat.

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Re: Ask Steve Dave Farm And Cow And Ranch And Tractor And Truck Related Questions
« Reply #3737 on: February 02, 2021, 08:35:03 AM »


i was also aware of banding (and of nut cutting), but i think my grandfather figured that ball removal was the next owners problem and guess i thought that was standard.

maybe he was selling his calves to sd's cow buyer, i dunno.

I'd like to know more about how the entire vertical operates. Why aren't the big producers vertically integrated? Why does sd's dad have to buy hung bulls from sys's dad and then rip off their balls, then keep them for a while, and then sell them to someone else to slaughter and harvest the meat?

This pretty good over view

https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/animal-products/cattle-beef/sector-at-a-glance/#:~:text=Based%20on%20the%202017%20Census,of%20the%20beef%20cow%20inventory.


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Wow, lots of good info in there. I had no idea we imported about as much beef as we export. I understand Mexico/Canada but some one help me out with the market dynamic of why 23% of our imports come from Australia? Why can't Australia just export their beef to Japan/South Korea which is where 50% of our exports go?

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Re: Ask Steve Dave Farm And Cow And Ranch And Tractor And Truck Related Questions
« Reply #3738 on: February 02, 2021, 08:54:09 AM »
That is a good summary. Ours is both a cow calf and feeder operation. We don’t feed other peoples cows for hire, just ours. And sometimes we will buy other people’s from their cow calf operation if we have capacity to feed more than our own.

Cow calf only is a really chill way to do it. Once you get to feeder it becomes a massive PITA and requires a lot of capital and equipment.


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Seems like if you own the cows and own the grass it is hard(er) to get hurt in bad years doing cow / calf. I don't know how people who feed cattle until they are fat do it - too much variability in the cost of the inputs and the price you can get for the fat cattle.

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« Reply #3739 on: February 02, 2021, 09:14:26 AM »
I understand Mexico/Canada but some one help me out with the market dynamic of why 23% of our imports come from Australia? Why can't Australia just export their beef to Japan/South Korea which is where 50% of our exports go?

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The United States is the world’s largest producer of beef. The US also imports more beef than any other country. US producers specialise in raising high-value, grain-fed cattle. Imported beef from other countries is mainly lower-value, grass-fed, lean product that is processed into ground beef. Overall, imports accounted for nearly 14 per cent of US beef supplies in 2015 (Source: USDA, Economic Research Service/USDA Foreign Ag Service).

Australia was the leading supplier of US beef imports in 2014 and 2015, while Canada and New Zealand were a distant second and third. Shipments from Australia and New Zealand are composed primarily of frozen boneless beef for processing, while shipments from Canada and Mexico are typically higher-value, fresh or chilled beef sold as cuts.

https://www.austrade.gov.au/australian/export/export-markets/countries/united-states-of-america/industries/agribusiness-to-the-united-states
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« Reply #3740 on: February 02, 2021, 05:23:46 PM »
I understand Mexico/Canada but some one help me out with the market dynamic of why 23% of our imports come from Australia? Why can't Australia just export their beef to Japan/South Korea which is where 50% of our exports go?

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The United States is the world’s largest producer of beef. The US also imports more beef than any other country. US producers specialise in raising high-value, grain-fed cattle. Imported beef from other countries is mainly lower-value, grass-fed, lean product that is processed into ground beef. Overall, imports accounted for nearly 14 per cent of US beef supplies in 2015 (Source: USDA, Economic Research Service/USDA Foreign Ag Service).

Australia was the leading supplier of US beef imports in 2014 and 2015, while Canada and New Zealand were a distant second and third. Shipments from Australia and New Zealand are composed primarily of frozen boneless beef for processing, while shipments from Canada and Mexico are typically higher-value, fresh or chilled beef sold as cuts.

https://www.austrade.gov.au/australian/export/export-markets/countries/united-states-of-america/industries/agribusiness-to-the-united-states
Sys beat me to it.  My first career was in meat processing... hot dogs, bologna.  Ground a bunch of frozen Australian grass fed beef back in the day.


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Re: Ask Steve Dave Farm And Cow And Ranch And Tractor And Truck Related Questions
« Reply #3741 on: February 02, 2021, 07:54:22 PM »
I understand Mexico/Canada but some one help me out with the market dynamic of why 23% of our imports come from Australia? Why can't Australia just export their beef to Japan/South Korea which is where 50% of our exports go?

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The United States is the world’s largest producer of beef. The US also imports more beef than any other country. US producers specialise in raising high-value, grain-fed cattle. Imported beef from other countries is mainly lower-value, grass-fed, lean product that is processed into ground beef. Overall, imports accounted for nearly 14 per cent of US beef supplies in 2015 (Source: USDA, Economic Research Service/USDA Foreign Ag Service).

Australia was the leading supplier of US beef imports in 2014 and 2015, while Canada and New Zealand were a distant second and third. Shipments from Australia and New Zealand are composed primarily of frozen boneless beef for processing, while shipments from Canada and Mexico are typically higher-value, fresh or chilled beef sold as cuts.

https://www.austrade.gov.au/australian/export/export-markets/countries/united-states-of-america/industries/agribusiness-to-the-united-states
Sys beat me to it.  My first career was in meat processing... hot dogs, bologna.  Ground a bunch of frozen Australian grass fed beef back in the day.


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Re: Ask Steve Dave Farm And Cow And Ranch And Tractor And Truck Related Questions
« Reply #3742 on: February 02, 2021, 08:17:14 PM »
Australian stuff was lean AF.  Mix that with the domestic grain fed left over fat trimming s... bam... beef hot dog.


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Re: Ask Steve Dave Farm And Cow And Ranch And Tractor And Truck Related Questions
« Reply #3743 on: February 03, 2021, 09:18:57 AM »
Thanks for answering my questions farm dudes!

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Re: Ask Steve Dave Farm And Cow And Ranch And Tractor And Truck Related Questions
« Reply #3744 on: February 03, 2021, 09:26:17 AM »
I wonder how long it will take companies like CashRent/Tillable to actually work or if farm leases will always be handshake deals with the local farmer.

https://www.agweb.com/news/business/farmland/farmland-rental-gets-new-playing-field-and-high-bid-isnt-king


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« Reply #3745 on: February 04, 2021, 08:13:04 AM »
Nothing for rent around Meade.


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« Reply #3746 on: February 04, 2021, 08:35:47 AM »
I can’t fathom any farmer that I know (big or small) going to the public market that way to rent ground. I’m sure massive operations who never set foot on some of their property would use it since they wouldn’t have those connections though. A lot of rents and agreements I know of go back generations. A lot of our ground was acquired through my great grandfather leasing a significant amount of ground and then purchasing it at a steep discount when the owner passed. There was a handshake agreement that this would happen that was in place for decades as I understand it. There are pretty big feuds though when these types of deals go south. And, kicking a long time leasee who is operating in good faith off some land is a high crime. Even raising rates is frowned upon. It’s a weird culture.


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« Reply #3747 on: February 04, 2021, 08:39:50 AM »
Also buying land is crazy. Lot of secrecy and deal making around it. Everyone knows some old man/lady who’s on their deathbed who has a bunch of land. And if the big time operators end up buying it everyone loses their minds. “Of course rough ridin' John Doeboy bought the Johnson ground!” It’s really tough to get into it fresh unless you know the right people.


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« Reply #3748 on: February 04, 2021, 09:43:37 AM »
I understand Mexico/Canada but some one help me out with the market dynamic of why 23% of our imports come from Australia? Why can't Australia just export their beef to Japan/South Korea which is where 50% of our exports go?

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The United States is the world’s largest producer of beef. The US also imports more beef than any other country. US producers specialise in raising high-value, grain-fed cattle. Imported beef from other countries is mainly lower-value, grass-fed, lean product that is processed into ground beef. Overall, imports accounted for nearly 14 per cent of US beef supplies in 2015 (Source: USDA, Economic Research Service/USDA Foreign Ag Service).

Australia was the leading supplier of US beef imports in 2014 and 2015, while Canada and New Zealand were a distant second and third. Shipments from Australia and New Zealand are composed primarily of frozen boneless beef for processing, while shipments from Canada and Mexico are typically higher-value, fresh or chilled beef sold as cuts.

https://www.austrade.gov.au/australian/export/export-markets/countries/united-states-of-america/industries/agribusiness-to-the-united-states
Sys beat me to it.  My first career was in meat processing... hot dogs, bologna.  Ground a bunch of frozen Australian grass fed beef back in the day.


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« Reply #3749 on: February 04, 2021, 10:12:35 AM »
I understand Mexico/Canada but some one help me out with the market dynamic of why 23% of our imports come from Australia? Why can't Australia just export their beef to Japan/South Korea which is where 50% of our exports go?

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The United States is the world’s largest producer of beef. The US also imports more beef than any other country. US producers specialise in raising high-value, grain-fed cattle. Imported beef from other countries is mainly lower-value, grass-fed, lean product that is processed into ground beef. Overall, imports accounted for nearly 14 per cent of US beef supplies in 2015 (Source: USDA, Economic Research Service/USDA Foreign Ag Service).

Australia was the leading supplier of US beef imports in 2014 and 2015, while Canada and New Zealand were a distant second and third. Shipments from Australia and New Zealand are composed primarily of frozen boneless beef for processing, while shipments from Canada and Mexico are typically higher-value, fresh or chilled beef sold as cuts.

https://www.austrade.gov.au/australian/export/export-markets/countries/united-states-of-america/industries/agribusiness-to-the-united-states
Sys beat me to it.  My first career was in meat processing... hot dogs, bologna.  Ground a bunch of frozen Australian grass fed beef back in the day.


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