Author Topic: The Brad Underwood Watch aka The Man who made Frank look good (Read 27393 times)

scottwildcat · « **Reply #50 on:** February 08, 2015, 06:05:20 PM »

I would donate thousands of dollars and renew my season tickets +2 more if we fired oscar and hired Brad this off-season, but it isn't happening, but i do believe Brad will get a shot one day at the HC job, and he will have success.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #51 on:** February 08, 2015, 06:10:25 PM »

It won't happen because of the payoff amount, and we have too many people with enough clout who are of the "Give Wooly one more year" mold.

I always give people the benefit of the doubt, and Weber has a pretty good overall record, but it's quite apparent he's not P5 conference coaching material.

If it doesn't happen now, as has been said, it will probably be too late.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #52 on:** February 08, 2015, 06:18:10 PM »

#BOB (bring on Brad)

Stevesie60 · « **Reply #53 on:** February 08, 2015, 06:56:26 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on February 08, 2015, 06:18:10 PM

#BOB (bring on Brad)

Bob worked in K-State basketball's favor the first time around!

nicname · « **Reply #54 on:** February 08, 2015, 07:44:35 PM »

I think Brad will be available in 2-3 years. Whenever we need him.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #55 on:** February 08, 2015, 07:51:11 PM »

In 2 or 3 years we'll need a Huggins like hire.

scottwildcat · « **Reply #56 on:** February 08, 2015, 08:00:16 PM »

Quote from: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2015, 07:51:11 PM

In 2 or 3 years we'll need a Huggins like hire.

Yup. The collapse of K-State hoops is going to come hard and fast

Mixed-Nutz · « **Reply #57 on:** February 08, 2015, 11:01:53 PM »

Quote from: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2015, 07:51:11 PM

In 2 or 3 years we'll need a Huggins like hire.

Wut? It is basketball not football. Get a couple players and go. Look at how fast Lon and Hoi turn around their programs.

michigancat · « **Reply #58 on:** February 08, 2015, 11:52:36 PM »

Quote from: Mixed-Nutz on February 08, 2015, 11:01:53 PM

Quote from: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2015, 07:51:11 PM
In 2 or 3 years we'll need a Huggins like hire.
Wut? It is basketball not football. Get a couple players and go. Look at how fast Lon and Hoi turn around their programs.

You could argue those were "Huggins-like" hires in many respects.

HerrSonntag · « **Reply #59 on:** February 09, 2015, 12:00:03 AM »

Quote from: michigancat on February 08, 2015, 11:52:36 PM

Quote from: Mixed-Nutz on February 08, 2015, 11:01:53 PM
Quote from: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2015, 07:51:11 PM
In 2 or 3 years we'll need a Huggins like hire.
Wut? It is basketball not football. Get a couple players and go. Look at how fast Lon and Hoi turn around their programs.
You could argue those were "Huggins-like" hires in many respects.

Lon is very Huggins like (less so, Lon didn't need OU, Huggins needed another shot) but the Hoi hire would be very analogous to snagging Brad.

michigancat · « **Reply #60 on:** February 09, 2015, 12:03:23 AM »

Quote from: HerrSonntag on February 09, 2015, 12:00:03 AM

Quote from: michigancat on February 08, 2015, 11:52:36 PM
Quote from: Mixed-Nutz on February 08, 2015, 11:01:53 PM
Quote from: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2015, 07:51:11 PM
In 2 or 3 years we'll need a Huggins like hire.
Wut? It is basketball not football. Get a couple players and go. Look at how fast Lon and Hoi turn around their programs.
You could argue those were "Huggins-like" hires in many respects.
Lon is very Huggins like (less so, Lon didn't need OU, Huggins needed another shot) but the Hoi hire would be very analogous to snagging Brad.

Hoiberg is much closer to Gottlieb than Underwood.

The main thing about Hoiberg is he had potential beyond your typical white guy hire.

Mr Bread · « **Reply #61 on:** February 09, 2015, 08:03:09 AM »

Quote from: michigancat on February 09, 2015, 12:03:23 AM

Quote from: HerrSonntag on February 09, 2015, 12:00:03 AM
Quote from: michigancat on February 08, 2015, 11:52:36 PM
Quote from: Mixed-Nutz on February 08, 2015, 11:01:53 PM
Quote from: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2015, 07:51:11 PM
In 2 or 3 years we'll need a Huggins like hire.
Wut? It is basketball not football. Get a couple players and go. Look at how fast Lon and Hoi turn around their programs.
You could argue those were "Huggins-like" hires in many respects.

Lon is very Huggins like (less so, Lon didn't need OU, Huggins needed another shot) but the Hoi hire would be very analogous to snagging Brad.

Hoiberg is much closer to Gottlieb than Underwood.

The main thing about Hoiberg is he had potential beyond your typical white guy hire.

Hoiberg is nothing like a guy who has been a college assistant coach, juco head coach and now low major head coach for two decades. That's basically the opposite of what he was.

steve dave · « **Reply #62 on:** February 09, 2015, 08:11:23 AM »

the Gottlieb:Hoiberg comparison is pretty good. Hoiberg never coached a game of basketball in his life before he took over at ISU.

Cire · « **Reply #63 on:** February 09, 2015, 08:55:28 AM »

Our next coach will inherit an awful roster to try and compete at this level. Underwood is going to be set up for failure

ksupamplemousse · « **Reply #64 on:** February 09, 2015, 09:04:30 AM »

Quote from: Cire on February 09, 2015, 08:55:28 AM

Our next coach will inherit an awful roster to try and compete at this level. Underwood is going to be set up for failure

It's pretty much impossible to set someone up for failure in college basketball. It's a sport where good coaching and team chemistry can pretty much always get you to the postseason, no matter what the talent level is on your team. Then it only takes one recruiting class to completely reshape your roster. If you fail at your job in college basketball then it means you're just not a very good coach.

CNS · « **Reply #65 on:** February 09, 2015, 09:06:23 AM »

Quote from: ksupamplemousse on February 09, 2015, 09:04:30 AM

Quote from: Cire on February 09, 2015, 08:55:28 AM
Our next coach will inherit an awful roster to try and compete at this level. Underwood is going to be set up for failure

It's pretty much impossible to set someone up for failure in college basketball. It's a sport where good coaching and team chemistry can pretty much always get you to the postseason, no matter what the talent level is on your team. Then it only takes one recruiting class to completely reshape your roster. If you fail at your job in college basketball then it means you're just not a very good coach.

The first half of that seems ridic to me.

Cire · « **Reply #66 on:** February 09, 2015, 09:08:03 AM »

Doc Sadler tho

ksupamplemousse · « **Reply #67 on:** February 09, 2015, 09:11:01 AM »

Quote from: CNS on February 09, 2015, 09:06:23 AM

Quote from: ksupamplemousse on February 09, 2015, 09:04:30 AM
Quote from: Cire on February 09, 2015, 08:55:28 AM
Our next coach will inherit an awful roster to try and compete at this level. Underwood is going to be set up for failure

It's pretty much impossible to set someone up for failure in college basketball. It's a sport where good coaching and team chemistry can pretty much always get you to the postseason, no matter what the talent level is on your team. Then it only takes one recruiting class to completely reshape your roster. If you fail at your job in college basketball then it means you're just not a very good coach.

The first half of that seems ridic to me.

I didn't say the tourney, I said the postseason. I'm thoroughly convinced that if Bill Self had a team full of Brian Rohleders that he could at least make the CBI with that collection of "talent".

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #68 on:** February 09, 2015, 09:12:46 AM »

I agree with the notion that if Underwood is a good coach, he should be able to get this roster to the NIT at minimum.

steve dave · « **Reply #69 on:** February 09, 2015, 09:15:46 AM »

Quote from: ksupamplemousse on February 09, 2015, 09:04:30 AM

Quote from: Cire on February 09, 2015, 08:55:28 AM
Our next coach will inherit an awful roster to try and compete at this level. Underwood is going to be set up for failure

It's pretty much impossible to set someone up for failure in college basketball. It's a sport where good coaching and team chemistry can pretty much always get you to the postseason, no matter what the talent level is on your team. Then it only takes one recruiting class to completely reshape your roster. If you fail at your job in college basketball then it means you're just not a very good coach.

on rough ridin' opposite day

RickRampus · « **Reply #70 on:** February 09, 2015, 09:23:13 AM »

Quote from: Cire on February 09, 2015, 08:55:28 AM

Our next coach will inherit an awful roster to try and compete at this level. Underwood is going to be set up for failure

Was Underwood set up with a crack squad at SFA?

CNS · « **Reply #71 on:** February 09, 2015, 09:23:41 AM »

Using one of the top 3 or 4 coaches in the country as an example is not a valid example. I mean, you can't say that Bill Self could do it, then say if someone can't, they just aren't a good coach. That is ridiculous.

scottwildcat · « **Reply #72 on:** February 09, 2015, 09:30:58 AM »

Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on February 09, 2015, 09:12:46 AM

I agree with the notion that if Underwood is a good coach, he should be able to get this roster to the NIT at minimum.

If Brad Underwood was our coach day one this season he would 100% take this roster to the NCAAs

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #73 on:** February 09, 2015, 09:32:13 AM »

I look at Mizzou hoops and fear I'm looking into a crystal ball of the future of KSU hoops.

Actually its v similar to the ghost of KSU hoops present when I think about it. Dang it this season sucks.

steve dave · « **Reply #74 on:** February 09, 2015, 09:33:55 AM »

college basketball isn't Hoosiers. you can't coach up a bunch of nonathletic dorks to middling success. the single most important factor in winning games is having good players. it's so far out in front of all other factors that is essentially makes them meaningless. all of a coach's most important duties revolve around that talent. acquiring it, keeping it happy, keeping it out of trouble, keeping it motivated, etc. Xs and Os are the most overrated part of basketball coaching.