State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Dear liberals,

You look really rough ridin' dumb in this thread.

Your pal,
Sugar Dick

P.S.
The "schools are broke" rhetoric is political bullshit, as demonstrated ad nauseum in this thread, according to either sides numbers.

P.S.S.
I cringe every time one of you retards posts a think to thinkprogress. Don't claim something like a government agency is partisan, and then use that in your retort.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Where is all of the money going, then?

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-05-04/kansas-schools-close-early-as-brownback-tax-cuts-squeeze-revenue

And here you go deflecting to another issue yet again. I can't tell you how individual districts are spending their money (well, actually, I could because this will alleventually be reported by the KSDE, but I'm not going to waste my time on that) - my guess is, wastefully, given that they've got more money than ever before. Or (gasp), maybe closing a couple of days early is a nice publicity stunt.

You think schools are furloughing teachers for publicity?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Where is all of the money going, then?

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-05-04/kansas-schools-close-early-as-brownback-tax-cuts-squeeze-revenue

And here you go deflecting to another issue yet again. I can't tell you how individual districts are spending their money (well, actually, I could because this will alleventually be reported by the KSDE, but I'm not going to waste my time on that) - my guess is, wastefully, given that they've got more money than ever before. Or (gasp), maybe closing a couple of days early is a nice publicity stunt.

You think schools are furloughing teachers for publicity?

I don't know, and I don't really care. More likely, they're just not managing their record-level funding properly.

It's really pretty embarrassing for you to keep flailing away like this. We're spending more than ever before. It's a point beyond dispute.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Where is all of the money going, then?

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-05-04/kansas-schools-close-early-as-brownback-tax-cuts-squeeze-revenue

And here you go deflecting to another issue yet again. I can't tell you how individual districts are spending their money (well, actually, I could because this will alleventually be reported by the KSDE, but I'm not going to waste my time on that) - my guess is, wastefully, given that they've got more money than ever before. Or (gasp), maybe closing a couple of days early is a nice publicity stunt.

You think schools are furloughing teachers for publicity?

I don't know, and I don't really care. More likely, they're just not managing their record-level funding properly.

It's really pretty embarrassing for you to keep flailing away like this. We're spending more than ever before. It's a point beyond dispute.

It looks like we are about $400k below 2009 levels, actually. That shouldn't make a huge difference if you spread it over the entire state, but when schools were budgeted more than $40 million more than the state ended up paying them this year, I think it's pretty easy to see why some of them might have to close early, lay off teachers, or end extra-curricular programs.

[Kat Kid]

Where is all of the money going, then?

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-05-04/kansas-schools-close-early-as-brownback-tax-cuts-squeeze-revenue

And here you go deflecting to another issue yet again. I can't tell you how individual districts are spending their money (well, actually, I could because this will alleventually be reported by the KSDE, but I'm not going to waste my time on that) - my guess is, wastefully, given that they've got more money than ever before. Or (gasp), maybe closing a couple of days early is a nice publicity stunt.

You think schools are furloughing teachers for publicity?

I don't know, and I don't really care. More likely, they're just not managing their record-level funding properly.

It's really pretty embarrassing for you to keep flailing away like this. We're spending more than ever before. It's a point beyond dispute.

You don't seem to have an even basic grasp on school financing.  You realize that not school districts rely on multiple sources of revenue, right?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Where is all of the money going, then?

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-05-04/kansas-schools-close-early-as-brownback-tax-cuts-squeeze-revenue

And here you go deflecting to another issue yet again. I can't tell you how individual districts are spending their money (well, actually, I could because this will alleventually be reported by the KSDE, but I'm not going to waste my time on that) - my guess is, wastefully, given that they've got more money than ever before. Or (gasp), maybe closing a couple of days early is a nice publicity stunt.

You think schools are furloughing teachers for publicity?

I don't know, and I don't really care. More likely, they're just not managing their record-level funding properly.

It's really pretty embarrassing for you to keep flailing away like this. We're spending more than ever before. It's a point beyond dispute.

You don't seem to have an even basic grasp on school financing.  You realize that not school districts rely on multiple sources of revenue, right?

Did you even look at the KSDE's numbers? They include federal, state, and local revenue.

Local revenue is computed by determining the total expenditures minus state and federal aid. It is not unusual for a district to accumulate monies in its capital outlay fund for large projects and spend the money in one year. During that year, expenditures will be higher than usual and may drop the following year. Also, in those districts where the voters have approved for a bond issue, the expenditures would be higher in the year that the district begins making bond payments.

You. Are. Flailing.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Where is all of the money going, then?

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-05-04/kansas-schools-close-early-as-brownback-tax-cuts-squeeze-revenue

And here you go deflecting to another issue yet again. I can't tell you how individual districts are spending their money (well, actually, I could because this will alleventually be reported by the KSDE, but I'm not going to waste my time on that) - my guess is, wastefully, given that they've got more money than ever before. Or (gasp), maybe closing a couple of days early is a nice publicity stunt.

You think schools are furloughing teachers for publicity?

I don't know, and I don't really care. More likely, they're just not managing their record-level funding properly.

It's really pretty embarrassing for you to keep flailing away like this. We're spending more than ever before. It's a point beyond dispute.

It looks like we are about $400k below 2009 levels, actually. That shouldn't make a huge difference if you spread it over the entire state, but when schools were budgeted more than $40 million more than the state ended up paying them this year, I think it's pretty easy to see why some of them might have to close early, lay off teachers, or end extra-curricular programs.

Huh. Let's look to the KSDE numbers...

School Year	Enrollment	State Aid	Federal Aid	Local Revenue	Total Spent	Total Per Pupil
2008-2009	447,615.1	3,287,165,278	413,624,558	1,965,551,201	5,666,731,992	12,660
2013-2014	461,088.3	3,267,998,852	485,563,067	2,221,955,762	5,975,517,681	12,960

So, in total dollars, that's 5,975,517,681 - 5,666,731,992 = $308,785,689 more in 2014 than 2009.

And per pupil, that's 12,960 - 12,660 = $300 more per pupil in 2014 than 2009.

If you dispute the KSDE's numbers, you should really take it up with them. I'm sure they'd love to be able to demonstrate an actual spending cut.

Flailing.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Maybe you should try putting $3.287 billion in an inflation calculator and see what you get.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

For those of you keeping score at home, I think this is a current running list of libtard denials for record funding...

1. INFLATION in the last decade.
2. Left wing think tank distortions.
3. KSDE official numbers can't be trusted cause they're in league with the GOP (my favorite)
4. A couple of districts are ending the school year a couple days early.

I'll try to keep this updated as we move along.

[Rage Against the McKee]

For those of you keeping score at home, I think this is a current running list of libtard denials for record funding...

1. INFLATION in the last decade.
2. Left wing think tank distortions.
3. KSDE official numbers can't be trusted cause they're in league with the GOP (my favorite)
4. A couple of districts are ending the school year a couple days early.

I'll try to keep this updated as we move along.

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=3.28&year1=2009&year2=2015

3.28 in 2009 = 3.59 today

[Kat Kid]

Where is all of the money going, then?

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-05-04/kansas-schools-close-early-as-brownback-tax-cuts-squeeze-revenue

And here you go deflecting to another issue yet again. I can't tell you how individual districts are spending their money (well, actually, I could because this will alleventually be reported by the KSDE, but I'm not going to waste my time on that) - my guess is, wastefully, given that they've got more money than ever before. Or (gasp), maybe closing a couple of days early is a nice publicity stunt.

You think schools are furloughing teachers for publicity?

I don't know, and I don't really care. More likely, they're just not managing their record-level funding properly.

It's really pretty embarrassing for you to keep flailing away like this. We're spending more than ever before. It's a point beyond dispute.

You don't seem to have an even basic grasp on school financing.  You realize that not school districts rely on multiple sources of revenue, right?

Did you even look at the KSDE's numbers? They include federal, state, and local revenue.

Local revenue is computed by determining the total expenditures minus state and federal aid. It is not unusual for a district to accumulate monies in its capital outlay fund for large projects and spend the money in one year. During that year, expenditures will be higher than usual and may drop the following year. Also, in those districts where the voters have approved for a bond issue, the expenditures would be higher in the year that the district begins making bond payments.

You. Are. Flailing.

Right.  But that is not the same for each district.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Where is all of the money going, then?

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-05-04/kansas-schools-close-early-as-brownback-tax-cuts-squeeze-revenue

And here you go deflecting to another issue yet again. I can't tell you how individual districts are spending their money (well, actually, I could because this will alleventually be reported by the KSDE, but I'm not going to waste my time on that) - my guess is, wastefully, given that they've got more money than ever before. Or (gasp), maybe closing a couple of days early is a nice publicity stunt.

You think schools are furloughing teachers for publicity?

I don't know, and I don't really care. More likely, they're just not managing their record-level funding properly.

It's really pretty embarrassing for you to keep flailing away like this. We're spending more than ever before. It's a point beyond dispute.

You don't seem to have an even basic grasp on school financing.  You realize that not school districts rely on multiple sources of revenue, right?

Did you even look at the KSDE's numbers? They include federal, state, and local revenue.

Local revenue is computed by determining the total expenditures minus state and federal aid. It is not unusual for a district to accumulate monies in its capital outlay fund for large projects and spend the money in one year. During that year, expenditures will be higher than usual and may drop the following year. Also, in those districts where the voters have approved for a bond issue, the expenditures would be higher in the year that the district begins making bond payments.

You. Are. Flailing.

Right.  But that is not the same for each district.

Obviously, I'm not looking at this on a district-by-district level. How the money is being apportioned and whether it is equitable is a different issue.

[Kat Kid]

For those of you keeping score at home, I think this is a current running list of libtard denials for record funding...

1. INFLATION in the last decade.
2. Left wing think tank distortions.
3. KSDE official numbers can't be trusted cause they're in league with the GOP (my favorite)
4. A couple of districts are ending the school year a couple days early.

I'll try to keep this updated as we move along.

It is a bit funny that you dismiss inflation, when you were one of the inflation bugs on here.  But whatever.  It is just a fact that the numbers from KSDE/KPI are not inflation adjusted.  That is an undisputed fact and makes a difference.  A difference that makes your "highest funding levels ever" claim false.  That makes it relevant.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

For those of you keeping score at home, I think this is a current running list of libtard denials for record funding...

1. INFLATION in the last decade.
2. Left wing think tank distortions.
3. KSDE official numbers can't be trusted cause they're in league with the GOP (my favorite)
4. A couple of districts are ending the school year a couple days early.

I'll try to keep this updated as we move along.

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=3.28&year1=2009&year2=2015

3.28 in 2009 = 3.59 today

Right. I'm not disputing inflation. I'm disputing that it makes any meaningful difference in the real world cost of educating our kids, especially during the "Obama recovery."

[Kat Kid]

Where is all of the money going, then?

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-05-04/kansas-schools-close-early-as-brownback-tax-cuts-squeeze-revenue

And here you go deflecting to another issue yet again. I can't tell you how individual districts are spending their money (well, actually, I could because this will alleventually be reported by the KSDE, but I'm not going to waste my time on that) - my guess is, wastefully, given that they've got more money than ever before. Or (gasp), maybe closing a couple of days early is a nice publicity stunt.

You think schools are furloughing teachers for publicity?

I don't know, and I don't really care. More likely, they're just not managing their record-level funding properly.

It's really pretty embarrassing for you to keep flailing away like this. We're spending more than ever before. It's a point beyond dispute.

You don't seem to have an even basic grasp on school financing.  You realize that not school districts rely on multiple sources of revenue, right?

Did you even look at the KSDE's numbers? They include federal, state, and local revenue.

Local revenue is computed by determining the total expenditures minus state and federal aid. It is not unusual for a district to accumulate monies in its capital outlay fund for large projects and spend the money in one year. During that year, expenditures will be higher than usual and may drop the following year. Also, in those districts where the voters have approved for a bond issue, the expenditures would be higher in the year that the district begins making bond payments.

You. Are. Flailing.

Right.  But that is not the same for each district.

Obviously, I'm not looking at this on a district-by-district level. How the money is being apportioned and whether it is equitable is a different issue.

Well, it is related to the "a couple of districts are ending the school year a couple days early" part.  Talking about "total funding levels" is going miss why some districts are feeling squeezed and others aren't.

[Rage Against the McKee]

For those of you keeping score at home, I think this is a current running list of libtard denials for record funding...

1. INFLATION in the last decade.
2. Left wing think tank distortions.
3. KSDE official numbers can't be trusted cause they're in league with the GOP (my favorite)
4. A couple of districts are ending the school year a couple days early.

I'll try to keep this updated as we move along.

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=3.28&year1=2009&year2=2015

3.28 in 2009 = 3.59 today

Right. I'm not disputing inflation. I'm disputing that it makes any meaningful difference in the real world cost of educating our kids, especially during the "Obama recovery."

It makes about $300 million difference when you compare the 08-09 budget to the 14-15 budget.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Question for the monstrously stupid indoctrinated morons itt:

Which of the consumer goods in the cpi basket has driven the cost of education up the most? Apartment rent? Wine? Airfare? Cigarettes?

I mean, come on. . .

[Rage Against the McKee]

Question for the monstrously stupid indoctrinated morons itt:

Which of the consumer goods in the cpi basket has driven the cost of education up the most? Apartment rent? Wine? Airfare? Cigarettes?

I mean, come on. . .

probably salaries, real estate, and transportation

[Dugout DickStone]

Question for the monstrously stupid indoctrinated morons itt:

Which of the consumer goods in the cpi basket has driven the cost of education up the most? Apartment rent? Wine? Airfare? Cigarettes?

I mean, come on. . .

It's totally smokes

[Kat Kid]

Question for the monstrously stupid indoctrinated morons itt:

Which of the consumer goods in the cpi basket has driven the cost of education up the most? Apartment rent? Wine? Airfare? Cigarettes?

I mean, come on. . .

   this is great.  I bet the numbers will look better if you use transportation and energy costs.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I think the cost of new Steinway grand pianos has gone up - oh, that was in Missouri.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Question for the monstrously stupid indoctrinated morons itt:

Which of the consumer goods in the cpi basket has driven the cost of education up the most? Apartment rent? Wine? Airfare? Cigarettes?

I mean, come on. . .

probably salaries, real estate, and transportation

Average Joe with kids in school has seen his net worth shrink during those years.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Guys, inflation is a real thing. It's widely known that economists look to three major benchmarks in measuring inflation: the cost of gas, milk, and public education.

[Kat Kid]

I think the cost of new Steinway grand pianos has gone up - oh, that was in Missouri.

No it was in Kansas.  And this is a typical example of something stupid to complain about.

http://www.kansas.com/news/local/article8867900.html

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Serious question, does Kansas have a single one of the "urban areas" surveyed for the CPI? Wichita or KCK maybe?