Make An Argument For Why oscar Weber Should Be The K-State MBB Coach ITT

[steve dave]

Not why he shouldn't have been to begin with, I think we've covered that at length. But why he should remain as the coach. What's the upside? Convince me. Will move HUR HUR HUR posts to the pit so feel free to give actual arguments here.

[OK_Cat]

It only takes a small stone to really get the ball rolling for an elite hoops school like ksu. Give him time!

[chum1]

A conference championship should buy any coach a few years. If they prove they can do it once, give them a chance to make another run at it.

[steve dave]

A conference championship should buy any coach a few years. If they prove they can do it once, give them a chance to make another run at it.

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[Dr Rick Daris]

his overall lifetime win %. coaches are what they are and he is a proven winner.

[star seed 7]

A conference championship should buy any coach a few years. If they prove they can do it once, give them a chance to make another run at it.

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Pretty much the only thing that can be posted

[steve dave]

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Re: Lets go Sunshine Pumpers !! Let us know how positive you're really feeling   Reply
I'm always very positive about K-State but you can not judge a coach by one season.  People please realize their is more than college basketball in life.  Many of you fans  act like this is the worst thing in the world that K-State men's basketball team is struggling!!!!!  Many people on social media or all about what you have done for me lately!  Sit back and enjoy life win or lose.  If fans are so obsessed about only winning than support the other K-State teams that are winning.  The women's team is winning, I enjoy watching and cheering for all K-State sports, win or lose.  But remember people this is only entertainment and pales in comparisson to real life drama!

[CyberToothCat]

In year one, we finished first.
In year two, we finished fifth.

We have been in the top half of the league in both of his seasons. As long as that remains true, oscar should still be our coach.

Unfortunately, it seems we are destined to watch as oscar literally takes us from first to worst. As soon that occurs, oscar should be canned.

[PIPE]

No arguement can be made........

[wetwillie]

We owe him a significant amount of money that would hinder us from replacing him with a suitable candidate. 

[chum1]

One of the seemingly most accepted claims against him probably doesn't hold up against much scrutiny. Namely, the claim that he can only win with his predecessor's players. Apart from ascribing to him this extremely weird characteristic that there really isn't any generalized data on, and apart from the fact that a single supposed observation of this characteristic isn't enough to establish a trend, it seems like the claim is pretty obviously false. He finished second in the  Big Ten in his sixth year as coach of Illinois.

[chum1]

Which, by the way, is why I hate all of the "we knew this would happen" posts. That's just bullshit.

[Trim]

No wednesdays, yet.

[steve dave]

chum doing good work ITT

[slobber]

None of the major financial contributors are asking to fire him. As long as the $'s are rolling in from them and they are content, then oscar is fine.


Gonna win 'em all!

[Cire]

this team is struggling to find an identity.  If we had Angel we'd be awesome.  need one of the pg's to take over.

[Watershed]

I got nothing? I'm guessing if your making an argument you were cut from your JH JV BB team and have to ask questions during the game about what is really happening on the court.

[Steffy08]

Because he was our coach to start this season, and it is now the middle of the season, and he hasn't feloned anybody.

This thread should be postponed until March.  Doing it now makes it seem like you want Weber to fail.

[catzacker]

Which, by the way, is why I hate all of the "we knew this would happen" posts. That's just bullshit.

If we're observing data, we should be reminded that one data point does make a trend.  Rather, in this instance, the 2nd place finish represents an anomaly when we look at all the data as a whole.  The trend is apparent.  Win at a consistent level with other players, lose (relatively speaking) at a consistent level with his own.

2003–04 Illinois 26–7 13–3 1st
2004–05 Illinois 37–2 15–1 1st
2005–06 Illinois 26–7 11–5 T–2nd
2006–07 Illinois 23–12 9–7 T–4th
2007–08 Illinois 16–19 5–13 T–9th 
2008–09 Illinois 24–10 11–7 T–2nd
2009–10 Illinois 21–15 10–8 5th
2010–11 Illinois 20–14 9–9 T–4th
2011–12 Illinois 17–15 6–12 9th 

2012–13 Kansas State 27–8 14–4 T–1st
2013–14 Kansas State 20–13 10–8 5th


...but I apologize, my post wasn't really what this thread was for.

[michigancat]

He brought Foster here

[sonofdaxjones]

Because no one has brought a worth while replacement to the table that I've heard, besides one obvious guy and one never going to happen guy . . . and this is particularly the case for the resident Too Cool for Schoolers who throw out absurd choices simply because they think it would be cool and they can feel better about themselves.

K-State has made rash decisions with basketball before and it only served to keep the program mired in mediocrity for another 15 years.

[michigancat]

Because no one has brought a worth while replacement to the table that I've heard, besides one obvious guy and one never going to happen guy . . . and this is particularly the case for the resident Too Cool for Schoolers who throw out absurd choices simply because they think it would be cool and they can feel better about themselves.

K-State has made rash decisions with basketball before and it only served to keep the program mired in mediocrity for another 15 years.

Yeah, I really don't have a good replacement in mind.

[sonofdaxjones]

I know this isn't really the thread for it, but what I saw yesterday was not an effort issue.

It's like our offensive engine is out of gas, the output has fallen off a cliff, and this team from my observation has some attitudinal problems and from my observation they begin with Marcus Foster.   But it's the guy running the show's job to get that straightened out, so that's why Brucescuses fall on deaf ears. 

Also, oscar needs to sit the rough ridin down and quit micro-managing every freaking second of the game, I personally think that's part of the problem right there.   

[chum1]

Which, by the way, is why I hate all of the "we knew this would happen" posts. That's just bullshit.

If we're observing data, we should be reminded that one data point does make a trend.  Rather, in this instance, the 2nd place finish represents an anomaly when we look at all the data as a whole.  The trend is apparent.  Win at a consistent level with other players, lose (relatively speaking) at a consistent level with his own.

2003–04 Illinois 26–7 13–3 1st
2004–05 Illinois 37–2 15–1 1st
2005–06 Illinois 26–7 11–5 T–2nd
2006–07 Illinois 23–12 9–7 T–4th
2007–08 Illinois 16–19 5–13 T–9th 
2008–09 Illinois 24–10 11–7 T–2nd
2009–10 Illinois 21–15 10–8 5th
2010–11 Illinois 20–14 9–9 T–4th
2011–12 Illinois 17–15 6–12 9th 

2012–13 Kansas State 27–8 14–4 T–1st
2013–14 Kansas State 20–13 10–8 5th


...but I apologize, my post wasn't really what this thread was for.

Without exception, all coaches have ups and downs. Sitting around and waiting for a down season to say, "See, this coach sucks!" is utterly meaningless. The part about winning with another coach's players is some superfluous narrative that has nothing whatsoever to do with data in this case.

[Dugout DickStone]

Because it's January, no coach has ever been fired from college ball in Jan