oscar

[pissclams]

The big issue for me is constantly coming out to the media and whining about it. Take ownership oscar, because ultimately its still your problem because this is your team. Your excuses only tick me off, and I'm one of your most patient fans. Otherwise just stop talking to the media because your act is getting old.

this x a million.  as a drove to work today, i was more mad at him blaming the team that he recruited for not wanting to play at k-state, than i was at our loss.

we need to keep a running tab on his excuses, our past two loses-

2/11/15 @ WVU it was the officials
2/18/15 @ TCU  the players don't want to play at k-state

i can't remember exactly when he threw nino under the bus

That was to the print media before the game at OSU

also threw currie under the bus w the weed suspensions.  doesn't matter if currie made the call, King DeBruce handled it wrong

[MakeItRain]

Shortly after oscar arrived, he was asked what the key to his success would be at K-State.

"I think the big key is that I get them to trust me and respect me. If you can get your best player to buy in and be your best leader and hardest worker, then it makes it so much easier for you as a coach."

Attempt #1: http://es.pn/1DwdQQe

Attempt #2: http://foxs.pt/1KuvhPT

The rest is history.

We don't have a best player on this team that is the problem.

This is a great summary of the Tuck point of view.

Marcus is fantastic and very talented.  He is surrounded by kids that have either regressed, leveled off, or simply failed to progress.  There is zero recognizable development in this team from last year.  Nino is doing well off an on, but he is doing so by doing the exact same stuff he did last year but with no primary or secondary option above him that oscar will keep on the floor.

I don't agree with the regression talking point. Team play is worse, turnovers are up and we are taking worse shots, IMO. Ortgs look ok on development except Westicles. Westicles's biggest issues it that his FTrate has plummeted. That is an effort stat. Effort and quality of team play are down, think that is worse than lack of player development.

So we're throwing Wes under the bus too?

[Mixed-Nutz]

Stating stats and what I think the stats say. Not throwing anybody under the bus.

[MakeItRain]

Stating stats and what I think the stats say. Not throwing anybody under the bus.

You said his FTr is down and FTr is an effort stat. There's nothing else to deduce from that other than you think Wes' effort is less than it was last year.

Also the thinking that FTr is an effort stat is stupid. What does his effort have to do with our non-aggressive, 10 pass around the perimeter, slothlike offense?

[Mixed-Nutz]

Stating stats and what I think the stats say. Not throwing anybody under the bus.

You said his FTr is down and FTr is an effort stat. There's nothing else to deduce from that other than you think Wes' effort is less than it was last year.

Also the thinking that FTr is an effort stat is stupid. What does his effort have to do with our non-aggressive, 10 pass around the perimeter, slothlike offense?

Being aggressive takes effort.

[ksupamplemousse]

Stating stats and what I think the stats say. Not throwing anybody under the bus.

You said his FTr is down and FTr is an effort stat. There's nothing else to deduce from that other than you think Wes' effort is less than it was last year.

Also the thinking that FTr is an effort stat is stupid. What does his effort have to do with our non-aggressive, 10 pass around the perimeter, slothlike offense?

Being aggressive takes effort.

Wes' problem looks much more like a confidence issue than an effort issue.

[michigancat]

Foster's FTR is up quite a bit (especially in conference - 25.6 last year, 51.8 this year)

[Mixed-Nutz]

Stating stats and what I think the stats say. Not throwing anybody under the bus.

You said his FTr is down and FTr is an effort stat. There's nothing else to deduce from that other than you think Wes' effort is less than it was last year.

Also the thinking that FTr is an effort stat is stupid. What does his effort have to do with our non-aggressive, 10 pass around the perimeter, slothlike offense?

Being aggressive takes effort.

Wes' problem looks much more like a confidence issue than an effort issue.

Fair.

[Mixed-Nutz]

Foster's FTR is up quite a bit (especially in conference - 25.6 last year, 51.8 this year)

I don't think Marcus has been all that bad this year, had some bad games and not living up to high hopes.

[Tobias]

sounds like the case is closed on Marcus' effort.  wonder what's different this year?

[MakeItRain]

Stating stats and what I think the stats say. Not throwing anybody under the bus.

You said his FTr is down and FTr is an effort stat. There's nothing else to deduce from that other than you think Wes' effort is less than it was last year.

Also the thinking that FTr is an effort stat is stupid. What does his effort have to do with our non-aggressive, 10 pass around the perimeter, slothlike offense?

Being aggressive takes effort.

So our offensive issues are because a collective lack of effort? I'm trying to be patient but I'm about to get mean.

[Mixed-Nutz]

Stating stats and what I think the stats say. Not throwing anybody under the bus.

You said his FTr is down and FTr is an effort stat. There's nothing else to deduce from that other than you think Wes' effort is less than it was last year.

Also the thinking that FTr is an effort stat is stupid. What does his effort have to do with our non-aggressive, 10 pass around the perimeter, slothlike offense?

Being aggressive takes effort.

So our offensive issues are because a collective lack of effort? I'm trying to be patient but I'm about to get mean.

No Westicles's offensive rating is down due to Westicles's reduction in FTrate. Due to a lack of effort, confidence or something like that. I don't think he is a worse player, like some people.

[The Big Train]

T's and P's responding to this guys grammer/spelling MIR.

[MakeItRain]

Stating stats and what I think the stats say. Not throwing anybody under the bus.

You said his FTr is down and FTr is an effort stat. There's nothing else to deduce from that other than you think Wes' effort is less than it was last year.

Also the thinking that FTr is an effort stat is stupid. What does his effort have to do with our non-aggressive, 10 pass around the perimeter, slothlike offense?

Being aggressive takes effort.

So our offensive issues are because a collective lack of effort? I'm trying to be patient but I'm about to get mean.

No Westicles's offensive rating is down due to Westicles's reduction in FTrate. Due to a lack of effort, confidence or something like that. I don't think he is a worse player, like some people.

It has nothing to do with effort, stop saying it dumbass. The offense and his role within it are vastly different. He played the 4 last year and got a lot of looks in the lane. Last year we played 3 out with a high/low inside. Wes got high post looks and frequently popped out and drove the land against bigger, traditional 4s. This year we are playing 4 out one in, passing the ball around the arc and the only players scoring in the lane are Gip and Hurt. Even Nino's scoring in the framework of the offense is limited to 12 foot wing and baseline jumpers, his inside scoring is due to his Orebs.

Anyway stop saying Wes' FTr is due to effort or some other type of unicorny bullshit it's, ironically enough, lazy and stupid.

[ednksu]

People saying "effort" has any role in this offense aren't willing to see how anemic this offense is from 30 seconds on the shot clock to 7-8 in the clock when Marcus or Jevon are forced to make an individual play.

[_33]

oscar-ism:  Excuses are like assholes, if you don't have one you'll die.

[ksupamplemousse]

oscar-ism:  Excuses are like assholes, if you don't have one you'll die.

This made me laugh really hard.

[_33]

oscar-ism:  Before blaming someone else, ask yourself whether there is anyone else you should also be blaming.

[SdK]

I'm glad MIR is team:


#TheWesIsTheFuture

[CNS]

Foster's FTR is up quite a bit (especially in conference - 25.6 last year, 51.8 this year)

I don't think Marcus has been all that bad this year, had some bad games and not living up to high hopes.

Marcus was in, or close to, the top 5 ppg in conf before the initial oscar bullshit started.  High hopes is a bad discussion at this point.

[Panjandrum]

Foster's FTR is up quite a bit (especially in conference - 25.6 last year, 51.8 this year)

I thought it showed a really nice evolution in his game.  I can't remember specific examples, but there were games that he struggled to score, and he drew fouls and still scored in double digits because he was able to get to the line.

I mean, isn't that what a good/great player is supposed to do when the shot isn't falling if you need them to score?  Get to the line and find a way to get points?

[Shooter Jones]

oscar-ism:  Excuses are like assholes, if you don't have one you'll die.

[Shooter Jones]

can I use it, @_33, friend?

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[ednksu]

slow clap for _33

[jasn88cubs]

anyone see weber's players all leave the huddle while he was drawing up a play and only three players were there to break the huddle?


well here it is