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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #100 on: May 18, 2016, 09:46:40 AM »
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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #101 on: May 18, 2016, 01:08:24 PM »
I thought it was a little lower than that, but it's a good rule regardless. Lots of missclassified workers on salary are making less than min wage when you compare hours worked.
If you are working 80 hours a week making $47,000/year, you are averaging $11.30/hour. Nobody is making less than minimum wage making $47,000 per year.

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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #102 on: May 18, 2016, 01:10:06 PM »
Well that's the high end. The current min is like 23k or something.
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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #103 on: May 18, 2016, 01:15:18 PM »
Also 80 hrs at 11.30 is near 59k
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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #104 on: May 18, 2016, 01:21:28 PM »
Also 80 hrs at 11.30 is near 59k
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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #105 on: May 18, 2016, 01:30:04 PM »
Looks like Obama will reside as 4th worst annual GDP growth president since they started measuring.



 


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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #106 on: May 18, 2016, 01:30:48 PM »
About 66 hours at 30k and you match min wage. Those people should be protected

The bigger issue though is companies gaming the system and missclassifiying exempt workers. Basically add "manager" to someone's title and they are exempt even though they don't manage a thing
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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #107 on: May 18, 2016, 02:20:35 PM »
gaming the system huh? :lol:

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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #108 on: May 18, 2016, 03:03:51 PM »
anyone that wants humans to do work that robots can do is a weirdo or a psychopath..
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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #109 on: May 18, 2016, 03:08:26 PM »
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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #110 on: May 18, 2016, 03:13:56 PM »
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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #111 on: May 18, 2016, 03:17:26 PM »
you really don't know this, emo?
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #112 on: May 18, 2016, 03:20:39 PM »
why would anyone put up with that many hours unless you were an illegal?

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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #113 on: May 18, 2016, 03:21:49 PM »
the free market will obviously correct it

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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #114 on: May 18, 2016, 03:29:32 PM »
I'm gonna need to see some non-mocat math here.  Even minimum wage @ 80hrs/week is ~$30k.  Who in their right mind takes a salary job for less than that and then works 80+ hours a week?

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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #115 on: May 18, 2016, 03:32:11 PM »
$47,000 is $22.60 per hour at 40 hrs/week

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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #116 on: May 18, 2016, 03:34:08 PM »
gaming the system huh? :lol:

Employee misclassification is rampant in IT and finance.

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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #117 on: May 18, 2016, 03:35:44 PM »
I'm gonna need to see some non-mocat math here.  Even minimum wage @ 80hrs/week is ~$30k.  Who in their right mind takes a salary job for less than that and then works 80+ hours a week?

a.  the system they are gaming is overtime, so your math should include it.
b.  not all hourly employees earn the federal min.  most don't.
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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #118 on: May 18, 2016, 03:38:47 PM »
$47,000 is $22.60 per hour at 40 hrs/week

Yes, it's fair to to question if the new limit is too high, but I think it's also fairly obvious the current limit is way low
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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #119 on: May 18, 2016, 03:39:30 PM »
I'm gonna need to see some non-mocat math here.  Even minimum wage @ 80hrs/week is ~$30k.  Who in their right mind takes a salary job for less than that and then works 80+ hours a week?

a.  the system they are gaming is overtime, so your math should include it.
b.  not all hourly employees earn the federal min.  most don't.

Correct my math with an example of how it works then. 

(Anyway, I was mostly laughing at how seven said that, no doubting that this actually happens or is a problem.)

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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #120 on: May 18, 2016, 03:42:11 PM »
I'm gonna need to see some non-mocat math here.  Even minimum wage @ 80hrs/week is ~$30k.  Who in their right mind takes a salary job for less than that and then works 80+ hours a week?

a.  the system they are gaming is overtime, so your math should include it.
b.  not all hourly employees earn the federal min.  most don't.

Correct my math with an example of how it works then. 

(Anyway, I was mostly laughing at how seven said that, no doubting that this actually happens or is a problem.)

About 66 hours at 30k and you match min wage. Those people should be protected

The bigger issue though is companies gaming the system and missclassifiying exempt workers. Basically add "manager" to someone's title and they are exempt even though they don't manage a thing
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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #121 on: May 18, 2016, 03:42:37 PM »

Correct my math with an example of how it works then. 

(Anyway, I was mostly laughing at how seven said that, no doubting that this actually happens or is a problem.)

Shift "manager" on a IT help desk accepted a $40k salary to work 40 hours a week.
Employer requires shift "manager" to put in 55 hour weeks regularly.

Prior to this rule, that employee would not be eligible for overtime.  Now, that employee is entitled to overtime.  Employee now is compensated for overtime. 

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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #122 on: May 18, 2016, 03:46:18 PM »
Shift manager can quit and find a new job.

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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #123 on: May 18, 2016, 03:46:53 PM »
So, some poor sap working just as many hours making "$48,000 per year" will actually make less than someone making "$47,000 per year."  Disgusting.

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Re: Thanks, Obama!
« Reply #124 on: May 18, 2016, 03:48:29 PM »
So, some poor sap working just as many hours making "$48,000 per year" will actually make less than someone making "$47,000 per year."  Disgusting.

I'm not sure how it will work, but the company will probably get to stop paying overtime to the $47,000 per year guy as soon as he hits $48k.

Edit: Actually, the limit is $47k, so the person making $48k will end up with $48k and the person making $47k will end up with $47k.