9-3

[star seed 7]

10-2 was the ceiling for this team, not 9-3. we didn't hit the ceiling.

and somehow taking this year's results and saying that's this staff's ceiling, while ignoring two better seasons 3 years ago is a bit puzzling.

[GoodForAnother]

remember on the office when jim wore the shirt that said "go ceilings!" for halloween and he was a ceiling fan?  that was hilarious

[Benja]

yeah. good joke.

[Asteriskhead]

One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.

You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5

We weren't anywhere near 7-5... Maybe 8-4 because the OU game was close af and we had a top 20 SEC team in the OOC, but otherwise we just destroyed everybody else we played that we didn't lose to.

Auburn and Baylor were winnable games with a few breaks/bounces, or if we had a couple more legitimate studs.  How close do you think this team would be to 11-1 if Arthur Brown Jr on the defense and Daniel Thomas in the backfield?

Without Lockett we lose to Iowa State and Oklahoma. That's pretty damn close to 7-5.   

Goodness these arguments are dumb either way, BBSing or not.

With the players we did have we went 9-3 and 7-2. We competed for a conference title up until the final game of the season. We were in the CFB playoff discussion much of the season. And we finished the regular season as one of the top 11 college football teams in the country.

In other words we had a damn good season. If I ever reach the point where a season like this isn't good enough I hope someone slaps me in the face.

I wish you would stop ignoring the larger point to pander to bottom level dummies you are smarter than. For the last time, 9-3 isn't the problem, the fact that now its seems like this type of a season is a ceiling is. Most people are incapable of understanding nuance and circumstance, you aren't so can we move past the 9-3 is always good stuff?

You seem to be the only person who thinks this type of season is our ceiling.

I'm fairly confident that it will be for the remainder of Bill's tenure.

[Benja]

just to clarify i'm talking about this years teams ceiling, not the programs ceiling. although with LHCBS's philosophy and our recruiting we will definitely have clear ceilings more than most.

[Benja]

good ceiling talk, tho

[michigancat]

One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.

You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5

We weren't anywhere near 7-5... Maybe 8-4 because the OU game was close af and we had a top 20 SEC team in the OOC, but otherwise we just destroyed everybody else we played that we didn't lose to.

Auburn and Baylor were winnable games with a few breaks/bounces, or if we had a couple more legitimate studs.  How close do you think this team would be to 11-1 if Arthur Brown Jr on the defense and Daniel Thomas in the backfield?

Without Lockett we lose to Iowa State and Oklahoma. That's pretty damn close to 7-5.   

Goodness these arguments are dumb either way, BBSing or not.

With the players we did have we went 9-3 and 7-2. We competed for a conference title up until the final game of the season. We were in the CFB playoff discussion much of the season. And we finished the regular season as one of the top 11 college football teams in the country.

In other words we had a damn good season. If I ever reach the point where a season like this isn't good enough I hope someone slaps me in the face.

I wish you would stop ignoring the larger point to pander to bottom level dummies you are smarter than. For the last time, 9-3 isn't the problem, the fact that now its seems like this type of a season is a ceiling is. Most people are incapable of understanding nuance and circumstance, you aren't so can we move past the 9-3 is always good stuff?

You seem to be the only person who thinks this type of season is our ceiling.

I'm fairly confident that it will be for the remainder of Bill's tenure.

Why don't you think 2012-type seasons are our ceiling?

[GoodForAnother]

sealing and ceiling sound exactly the same but look so different! 

[Benja]

One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.

You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5

We weren't anywhere near 7-5... Maybe 8-4 because the OU game was close af and we had a top 20 SEC team in the OOC, but otherwise we just destroyed everybody else we played that we didn't lose to.

Auburn and Baylor were winnable games with a few breaks/bounces, or if we had a couple more legitimate studs.  How close do you think this team would be to 11-1 if Arthur Brown Jr on the defense and Daniel Thomas in the backfield?

Without Lockett we lose to Iowa State and Oklahoma. That's pretty damn close to 7-5.   

Goodness these arguments are dumb either way, BBSing or not.

With the players we did have we went 9-3 and 7-2. We competed for a conference title up until the final game of the season. We were in the CFB playoff discussion much of the season. And we finished the regular season as one of the top 11 college football teams in the country.

In other words we had a damn good season. If I ever reach the point where a season like this isn't good enough I hope someone slaps me in the face.

I wish you would stop ignoring the larger point to pander to bottom level dummies you are smarter than. For the last time, 9-3 isn't the problem, the fact that now its seems like this type of a season is a ceiling is. Most people are incapable of understanding nuance and circumstance, you aren't so can we move past the 9-3 is always good stuff?

You seem to be the only person who thinks this type of season is our ceiling.

I'm fairly confident that it will be for the remainder of Bill's tenure.

Why don't you think 2012-type seasons are our ceiling?

elite transfers

[MakeItRain]

One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.

You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5

We weren't anywhere near 7-5... Maybe 8-4 because the OU game was close af and we had a top 20 SEC team in the OOC, but otherwise we just destroyed everybody else we played that we didn't lose to.

Auburn and Baylor were winnable games with a few breaks/bounces, or if we had a couple more legitimate studs.  How close do you think this team would be to 11-1 if Arthur Brown Jr on the defense and Daniel Thomas in the backfield?

Without Lockett we lose to Iowa State and Oklahoma. That's pretty damn close to 7-5.   

Goodness these arguments are dumb either way, BBSing or not.

With the players we did have we went 9-3 and 7-2. We competed for a conference title up until the final game of the season. We were in the CFB playoff discussion much of the season. And we finished the regular season as one of the top 11 college football teams in the country.

In other words we had a damn good season. If I ever reach the point where a season like this isn't good enough I hope someone slaps me in the face.

I wish you would stop ignoring the larger point to pander to bottom level dummies you are smarter than. For the last time, 9-3 isn't the problem, the fact that now its seems like this type of a season is a ceiling is. Most people are incapable of understanding nuance and circumstance, you aren't so can we move past the 9-3 is always good stuff?

You seem to be the only person who thinks this type of season is our ceiling.

Believe me I'm not. Feels like our coaching staff has built our program to reflect just that. Nothing about our recruiting, in game philosophy, or roster management says "let's swing for the fences." _FAN, 2012 was built off of two transcendent stars; one of which was a one time receiver recruited by another staff and the other was a D1 transfer coming home. I'd rather the program actually make moves that make 2012 more possible instead of a program philosophy of being better than the bad teams.

I have been pretty vocal about how I feel about Gary Patterson, but I will give him credit for seeing that his program wasn't a championship program and he made moves to make the program better. He could have been content with having a solid 7-8 win bowl team each year with a great defense as the hallmark, but he didn't sit on that.

Its whatever like I said though unless Dana Dimel or Sean Snyder will be our next head coach.

[MakeItRain]

10-2 was the ceiling for this team, not 9-3. we didn't hit the ceiling.

and somehow taking this year's results and saying that's this staff's ceiling, while ignoring two better seasons 3 years ago is a bit puzzling.

How do you figure? We had 4 teams on the schedule with better talent, all four teams also have proven coaching staffs. We went 1-3 against those teams.

I'd also like to point out that it's somewhat conceivable that Oklahoma, Texas, and Oklahoma State all hit their floor this season as well.

[michigancat]

One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.

You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5

We weren't anywhere near 7-5... Maybe 8-4 because the OU game was close af and we had a top 20 SEC team in the OOC, but otherwise we just destroyed everybody else we played that we didn't lose to.

Auburn and Baylor were winnable games with a few breaks/bounces, or if we had a couple more legitimate studs.  How close do you think this team would be to 11-1 if Arthur Brown Jr on the defense and Daniel Thomas in the backfield?

Without Lockett we lose to Iowa State and Oklahoma. That's pretty damn close to 7-5.   

Goodness these arguments are dumb either way, BBSing or not.

With the players we did have we went 9-3 and 7-2. We competed for a conference title up until the final game of the season. We were in the CFB playoff discussion much of the season. And we finished the regular season as one of the top 11 college football teams in the country.

In other words we had a damn good season. If I ever reach the point where a season like this isn't good enough I hope someone slaps me in the face.

I wish you would stop ignoring the larger point to pander to bottom level dummies you are smarter than. For the last time, 9-3 isn't the problem, the fact that now its seems like this type of a season is a ceiling is. Most people are incapable of understanding nuance and circumstance, you aren't so can we move past the 9-3 is always good stuff?

You seem to be the only person who thinks this type of season is our ceiling.

Believe me I'm not. Feels like our coaching staff has built our program to reflect just that. Nothing about our recruiting, in game philosophy, or roster management says "let's swing for the fences." _FAN, 2012 was built off of two transcendent stars; one of which was a one time receiver recruited by another staff and the other was a D1 transfer coming home. I'd rather the program actually make moves that make 2012 more possible instead of a program philosophy of being better than the bad teams.

I have been pretty vocal about how I feel about Gary Patterson, but I will give him credit for seeing that his program wasn't a championship program and he made moves to make the program better. He could have been content with having a solid 7-8 win bowl team each year with a great defense as the hallmark, but he didn't sit on that.

Its whatever like I said though unless Dana Dimel or Sean Snyder will be our next head coach.

You don't think the staff can or will try for star transfers? What did GP do other than changing OC's?

[Frankenklein]

 looking back going into 2011 a 9-3 season was a pretty lofty ceiling.2011-2012 really was unexpected and spoiled us.

[MakeItRain]

One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.

You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5

We weren't anywhere near 7-5... Maybe 8-4 because the OU game was close af and we had a top 20 SEC team in the OOC, but otherwise we just destroyed everybody else we played that we didn't lose to.

Auburn and Baylor were winnable games with a few breaks/bounces, or if we had a couple more legitimate studs.  How close do you think this team would be to 11-1 if Arthur Brown Jr on the defense and Daniel Thomas in the backfield?

Without Lockett we lose to Iowa State and Oklahoma. That's pretty damn close to 7-5.   

Goodness these arguments are dumb either way, BBSing or not.

With the players we did have we went 9-3 and 7-2. We competed for a conference title up until the final game of the season. We were in the CFB playoff discussion much of the season. And we finished the regular season as one of the top 11 college football teams in the country.

In other words we had a damn good season. If I ever reach the point where a season like this isn't good enough I hope someone slaps me in the face.

I wish you would stop ignoring the larger point to pander to bottom level dummies you are smarter than. For the last time, 9-3 isn't the problem, the fact that now its seems like this type of a season is a ceiling is. Most people are incapable of understanding nuance and circumstance, you aren't so can we move past the 9-3 is always good stuff?

You seem to be the only person who thinks this type of season is our ceiling.

Believe me I'm not. Feels like our coaching staff has built our program to reflect just that. Nothing about our recruiting, in game philosophy, or roster management says "let's swing for the fences." _FAN, 2012 was built off of two transcendent stars; one of which was a one time receiver recruited by another staff and the other was a D1 transfer coming home. I'd rather the program actually make moves that make 2012 more possible instead of a program philosophy of being better than the bad teams.

I have been pretty vocal about how I feel about Gary Patterson, but I will give him credit for seeing that his program wasn't a championship program and he made moves to make the program better. He could have been content with having a solid 7-8 win bowl team each year with a great defense as the hallmark, but he didn't sit on that.

Its whatever like I said though unless Dana Dimel or Sean Snyder will be our next head coach.

You don't think the staff can or will try for star transfers? What did GP do other than changing OC's?

Firing his OC is much farther than Snyder has ever gone. It would have been easy for Patterson to blame their offensive troubles last year on Pachall's injuries. He saw something and acted on it, in a way admitting his own mistake. That OC change is without a doubt the reason they were the best team in this conference.

Also Arthur was not a star transfer, we loved him but loved Bryce more. Arthur was growing roots out of his ass on Randy Shannon's that guy bench.

The Brown Brothers left the state and played for Randy Shannon and Derek Dooley, wow.

[michigancat]

I thought Bryce left for Kiffin

[star seed 7]

10-2 was the ceiling for this team, not 9-3. we didn't hit the ceiling.

and somehow taking this year's results and saying that's this staff's ceiling, while ignoring two better seasons 3 years ago is a bit puzzling.

How do you figure? We had 4 teams on the schedule with better talent, all four teams also have proven coaching staffs. We went 1-3 against those teams.

I'd also like to point out that it's somewhat conceivable that Oklahoma, Texas, and Oklahoma State all hit their floor this season as well.

This is all hypothetical of course, but I would give our chances against those teams if played 10 times as
au -  6/10
ou - 5/10
tcu - 2/10
bu - 2/10

basically I think we lost one we shouldn't have, but ou was also a toss-up.

I would be concerned about complacency if 9-3 were considered great years, but no one thinks that.

[wiley]

One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.

You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5

We weren't anywhere near 7-5... Maybe 8-4 because the OU game was close af and we had a top 20 SEC team in the OOC, but otherwise we just destroyed everybody else we played that we didn't lose to.

Auburn and Baylor were winnable games with a few breaks/bounces, or if we had a couple more legitimate studs.  How close do you think this team would be to 11-1 if Arthur Brown Jr on the defense and Daniel Thomas in the backfield?

Without Lockett we lose to Iowa State and Oklahoma. That's pretty damn close to 7-5.   

Goodness these arguments are dumb either way, BBSing or not.

With the players we did have we went 9-3 and 7-2. We competed for a conference title up until the final game of the season. We were in the CFB playoff discussion much of the season. And we finished the regular season as one of the top 11 college football teams in the country.

In other words we had a damn good season. If I ever reach the point where a season like this isn't good enough I hope someone slaps me in the face.

I wish you would stop ignoring the larger point to pander to bottom level dummies you are smarter than. For the last time, 9-3 isn't the problem, the fact that now its seems like this type of a season is a ceiling is. Most people are incapable of understanding nuance and circumstance, you aren't so can we move past the 9-3 is always good stuff?

You seem to be the only person who thinks this type of season is our ceiling.

Believe me I'm not. Feels like our coaching staff has built our program to reflect just that. Nothing about our recruiting, in game philosophy, or roster management says "let's swing for the fences." _FAN, 2012 was built off of two transcendent stars; one of which was a one time receiver recruited by another staff and the other was a D1 transfer coming home. I'd rather the program actually make moves that make 2012 more possible instead of a program philosophy of being better than the bad teams.

I have been pretty vocal about how I feel about Gary Patterson, but I will give him credit for seeing that his program wasn't a championship program and he made moves to make the program better. He could have been content with having a solid 7-8 win bowl team each year with a great defense as the hallmark, but he didn't sit on that.

Its whatever like I said though unless Dana Dimel or Sean Snyder will be our next head coach.

You don't think the staff can or will try for star transfers? What did GP do other than changing OC's?

Firing his OC is much farther than Snyder has ever gone. It would have been easy for Patterson to blame their offensive troubles last year on Pachall's injuries. He saw something and acted on it, in a way admitting his own mistake. That OC change is without a doubt the reason they were the best team in this conference.

Also Arthur was not a star transfer, we loved him but loved Bryce more. Arthur was growing roots out of his ass on Randy Shannon's that guy bench.

The Brown Brothers left the state and played for Randy Shannon and Derek Dooley, wow.

Boykin played much better than expectations as well.  Could've been alot to do with the change in offense, but still impressive for a player we all expected to be a starting wr/back up qb this year.

[MakeItRain]

I thought Bryce left for Kiffin

Don't remember, just know Dooley was there when he transferred

[Benja]

sealing and ceiling sound exactly the same but look so different! 

yeah really good point GFA

[star seed 7]

I get your point tho mir, but it is what it is when it comes to snyder. I think most of us agree that we wish he would make some philosophy changes, but we differ that 9-3 is the peak if he doesn't.

[michigancat]

I thought Bryce left for Kiffin

Don't remember, just know Dooley was there when he transferred

He signed with Kiffin, didn't realize Dooley didn't release him:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryce_Brown

[MakeItRain]

10-2 was the ceiling for this team, not 9-3. we didn't hit the ceiling.

and somehow taking this year's results and saying that's this staff's ceiling, while ignoring two better seasons 3 years ago is a bit puzzling.

How do you figure? We had 4 teams on the schedule with better talent, all four teams also have proven coaching staffs. We went 1-3 against those teams.

I'd also like to point out that it's somewhat conceivable that Oklahoma, Texas, and Oklahoma State all hit their floor this season as well.

This is all hypothetical of course, but I would give our chances against those teams if played 10 times as
au -  6/10
ou - 5/10
tcu - 2/10
bu - 2/10

basically I think we lost one we shouldn't have, but ou was also a toss-up.

I would be concerned about complacency if 9-3 were considered great years, but no one thinks that.

There are plenty of people who have stated they would be good with 9-3 every year, all I'm saying is that I wouldn't be.

I get your point tho mir, but it is what it is when it comes to snyder. I think most of us agree that we wish he would make some philosophy changes, but we differ that 9-3 is the peak if he doesn't.

thats fair enough

[MakeItRain]

I thought Bryce left for Kiffin

Don't remember, just know Dooley was there when he transferred

He signed with Kiffin, didn't realize Dooley didn't release him:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryce_Brown

The Dooley non release was a big deal, someone should did the posts up, I won't.

[Benja]

10-2 was the ceiling for this team, not 9-3. we didn't hit the ceiling.

and somehow taking this year's results and saying that's this staff's ceiling, while ignoring two better seasons 3 years ago is a bit puzzling.

How do you figure? We had 4 teams on the schedule with better talent, all four teams also have proven coaching staffs. We went 1-3 against those teams.

I'd also like to point out that it's somewhat conceivable that Oklahoma, Texas, and Oklahoma State all hit their floor this season as well.

This is all hypothetical of course, but I would give our chances against those teams if played 10 times as
au -  6/10
ou - 5/10
tcu - 2/10
bu - 2/10

basically I think we lost one we shouldn't have, but ou was also a toss-up.

I would be concerned about complacency if 9-3 were considered great years, but no one thinks that.

There are plenty of people who have stated they would be good with 9-3 every year, all I'm saying is that I wouldn't be.

I get your point tho mir, but it is what it is when it comes to snyder. I think most of us agree that we wish he would make some philosophy changes, but we differ that 9-3 is the peak if he doesn't.

thats fair enough

I could make a semi-believable argument that burning it all down and rebuilding is better than 9-3 every year.

[The Big Train]